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DUI is a misdemeanor in most states, not a felony. For you to call him a felon is putting him at the same level of a rapist or murderer. Is that a fair representation of this individual?

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Yes, because DUI can seriously injure and even kill innocent people. So in that sense, he is/was a potential murderer. Now, please use common sense; if we give him our support and attention, that will only be detrimental to our cause. What kind of message will that send to the mainstream? It'll only exacerbate oppositions' aims.

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I'm simply suggesting staying quiet about this so as not to make it a front page article in tomorrow's NYT, all of this in lieu of fighting amongst each other and showing a even a little bit of solidarity to someone in the exact position as you, except he made a stupid decision "por una noche de copas".

I know people that have killed driven drunk and killed people in Mexico. Now those are murderers- they easily got off bribing the cop and having their rich dad buy them a newer, better car.

Sucks that when you are illegal immigrant, when you get caught by the law, you are automatically stripped of many civil and conscientious rights.

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Yeah, I'll be amazed if this forum could get ANY attention from outside sources. Should that ever happen? I'm sure that most people will take sides with my opinion (which happens to be also majorities) and you'll only be scrutinized for your half-witted comments.

This is irrelevant because I could care less about all that crap you mentioned about Mexico simply due to the fact that we are NOT LIVING in Mexico!!! Yeah, there are many horrible things going on in this world that are so despicable that our hardships can't even compare to theirs; so suck it up and follow the law!

Thank you captain obvious! Of course it sucks!!! Why do you think we are trying so hard to change things if things didn't suck? But that's expected when our mere presence itself in this country is considered to be against the law!!! I swear, you need to re-examine your logic before you post anything.

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See, this is precisely what I mean. You are reverting to insults and missing the entire point of my concerns. I'm simply saying that people who make mistakes are all around us. No one should get a DUI, but they are an everyday reality that is tearing apart our Latino communities. Just look at the numbers dude. Do you think you are so smart and impervious to peer pressure that you will never need to be protected under the law?



Thank you for reiterating my point: People in Mexico and Legal people in the US have it easier than illegal immigrants, who are walking a thin line in our society. One slip ends the dream. This "shut up, sit down or get out" mentality



Ok, so you win the shouting match. I guess I understand you need to vent your frustations somewhere, even if it is in an internet forum. Keep Obama's words in mind when he calls for civil debate and the end of vitriol.

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I never even mentioned ANYTHING about me being smart, in fact, I'm a self-proclaimed idiot. Anyways, getting back to your statement "impervious to peer pressure that you will never need to be protected under the law?" None of my friends are stupid enough to drive under the influence, nor do they ever pressure me into doing dumb things that will get me into trouble. Shiit all comes down to a matter of personal responsibility, okay? That means you are also responsible for, not only your actions, but who you choose to be/hangout with! Even if Latino community is suffering from increase in DUI incidents like you say, it shouldn't be looked at as a fault of the entire ethnic community but rather as a fault of each individual who are responsible. Last time I checked, DUI is just like any other crime, meaning that it doesn't have anything to do with one's particular culture but rather stems from individuals carelessness to be responsible and obey the law.






Well, that's good for immigrants in Mexico! Just in case you haven't realized, this is AMERICAAAA!!!!!!! *300 roar*



Although I wouldn't exactly call this 'winning', thank you! I'm not frustrated by any means, I'm just trying to correct flaw in your logic.

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By the way, just wanted to mention one more thing regarding this whole shiit about peer pressure you just mentioned. I want to re-emphasize this just one more time. If I ever, I mean EVER, had friends who were retarded/evil/mean enough to tell me to do stupid things, I won't feel any peer pressure at all. I'll just be like Eric Cartman, "Fock you guys, I'm goin home!!!"

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Sigh. Pointing fingers doesn't help our cause! I wish some individuals would understand that. I don't know about you, but I don't want any individual, regardless of race, to face the horrors of facing uncivil deportation and being humiliated for violating a law he committed when he was young (being illegal)
Yes he drove drunk. So send him back to Mexico? Be reasonable not loud.


? You still didn't address my point- illegal immigrants in this country walk a thin line, some by choice, others by the choice of others.



My logic is not flawed, it just doesn't agree with your tendencies to show a lack of compassion and a self-dignifying stance

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Wow. I didn't really want to say this but you sir are an idiot. Yes, he violated the law and criminals should face some form of punishment, whether it may or may not be uncivilized to a certain degree. Yes he did drive DRUNK! Even when he wasn't supposed to be driving at all!!! That itself is violating multiple laws! Please point out to me where I said he should be sent to Mexico? I merely stated that this guy doesn't deserve our support and attention. Don't get me wrong, I hope things really work out for him.



Yes, and so do undocumented immigrants (notice how I used a politically correct term) in many other countries??? Did I ever say anything to counter your point that being undocumented in America sucks??? No, because it does suck and that's why we're fighting for change!!!


Hell yes your logic is flawed!!! You make faulty assumptions based on totally irrelevant topics and draw conclusions from things I've never even mentioned or stated. Here's the bottom line: THINK BEFORE YOU TALK!!! (or in this case POST)!!!

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Agreed :grin: