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DareToAct 01-30-2011 12:21 AM

Re: We need to DEMONSTRATE!
 
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Originally Posted by scteach22 (Post 208843)
There has been several demonstration for the Dream Act they did not get the effect that your looking for. I don't have an answer on what should be done next. Making the Dreamers more marketable by education is the best approach out there right now. If you have an education even if you do not obtain citizenship that education cannot be taken from you. So you will be a asset where ever you go. I received my citizenship in the late 80's so compared to now and then nothing is the same. Those times were completely different on both sides of this issue.

Yes good point, Through the talk of the importance of education in America we can lead the cause of the DREAM Act but I feel that if we do something it has to be something that will get the AMERICAN people knowing more about it and get more of those LEGAL AMERICANS following us through our possible demonstrations. We need the citizens of this country to be a great part of this initiative.:p

scteach22 01-30-2011 12:59 AM

Re: We need to DEMONSTRATE!
 
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Originally Posted by DareToAct (Post 208844)
Yes good point, Through the talk of the importance of education in America we can lead the cause of the DREAM Act but I feel that if we do something it has to be something that will get the AMERICAN people knowing more about it and get more of those LEGAL AMERICANS following us through our possible demonstrations. We need the citizens of this country to be a great part of this initiative.:p

I have a lot of affected students in my classes now and maybe because its South Carolina there attitude is more like ours was growing up in Texas. I joined this site thinking I would have some good advice for young people. Seeing I have been through this and am involved with people that are affected by this every day. The more I have read on the site has shown me that I don't relate at all to the issues that people are arguing about on here.

DareToAct 01-30-2011 01:09 AM

Re: We need to DEMONSTRATE!
 
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Originally Posted by scteach22 (Post 208846)
I have a lot of affected students in my classes now and maybe because its South Carolina there attitude is more like ours was growing up in Texas. I joined this site thinking I would have some good advice for young people. Seeing I have been through this and am involved with people that are affected by this every day. The more I have read on the site has shown me that I don't relate at all to the issues that people are arguing about on here.

Tell me how do you not relate?

bertdude7 01-30-2011 01:34 AM

Re: We need to DEMONSTRATE!
 
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Originally Posted by DareToAct (Post 208838)
No copying Egypt or Tunisia Demonstrate for our cause in our own way for our situation to let the American people know, to break the ignorance that many have of our realities.

This will never happen, almost oxymoron like lol

DareToAct 01-30-2011 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bertdude7 (Post 208851)
This will never happen, almost oxymoron like lol

breaking the ignorance part or what?

bertdude7 01-30-2011 01:38 AM

Re: We need to DEMONSTRATE!
 
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Originally Posted by DareToAct (Post 208844)
Yes good point, Through the talk of the importance of education in America we can lead the cause of the DREAM Act but I feel that if we do something it has to be something that will get the AMERICAN people knowing more about it and get more of those LEGAL AMERICANS following us through our possible demonstrations. We need the citizens of this country to be a great part of this initiative.:p

The sad part is that trying to make Americans aware of this issue will be troublesome, as most Americans really feel indifferent about it, most that I've talked to about it, really didn't have a clue about it. So yes something big needs to happen, maybe a different approach to the American people.

bertdude7 01-30-2011 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DareToAct (Post 208852)
breaking the ignorance part or what?

Yeah breaking the ignorance of the people that oppose it. Ignorance will always exist, which is really sad.

DareToAct 01-30-2011 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bertdude7 (Post 208854)
Yeah breaking the ignorance of the people that oppose it for some statements they think are facts.

Then I guess we need to do something about that I rather be doing that then be sitting here not doing anything but type stuff for this forum I mean its been a decade.

scteach22 01-30-2011 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DareToAct (Post 208848)
Tell me how do you not relate?

We had to hide in the shadows and never make waves back then. My friends and I never knew what could happen so we never made ourselves so out in front on everything. We made ourselves invisible and hung out with each other only. You never were really a part of the school you were stuck in ESL class with all children from Mexico and really never left until you spoke good enough English to participate in regular classes. Depending on your ability to learn to speak and write English decided when you participated in the same classes as everyone else. My parents never spoke a word of Spanish in our house except if they were talking on the phone to family back in Mexico which hurts me now days but back then it was just the first priority to my parents. Most of my friends had parents that did not know English and never tried to learn so there children were hurt by that and were left back in grades. It was still a normal thing back then for Immigrant kids to drop out in middle school and go back home to Mexico or go to work in some labor job by the end of 8th grade. Without going on any longer and sounding like a back in the day speech. You can understand how times have changed since then. My students that I know are here illegally do not sound like the kids on here nothing like them that is the difference in being in South Carolina than being in lets say California. In south Texas we were not guaranteed high school back then really we were not guaranteed junior high school as well. We got our citizenship it was a surprise really something we dd not expect the paper work was a hassle and took years for us to actually get our paperwork for us to feel comfortable. I went to college in 1989 still played it low key at Southwest Texas State in San Marcos met my wife there same backgrounds but she lived in another town about 50 miles from me growing up . So different right? I am only 42 so it was not that long ago.

DareToAct 01-30-2011 02:27 AM

Re: We need to DEMONSTRATE!
 
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Originally Posted by scteach22 (Post 208862)
We had to hide in the shadows and never make waves back then. My friends and I never knew what could happen so we never made ourselves so out in front on everything. We made ourselves invisible and hung out with each other only. You never were really a part of the school you were stuck in ESL class with all children from Mexico and really never left until you spoke good enough English to participate in regular classes. Depending on your ability to learn to speak and write English decided when you participated in the same classes as everyone else. My parents never spoke a word of Spanish in our house except if they were talking on the phone to family back in Mexico which hurts me now days but back then it was just the first priority to my parents. Most of my friends had parents that did not know English and never tried to learn so there children were hurt by that and were left back in grades. It was still a normal thing back then for Immigrant kids to drop out in middle school and go back home to Mexico or go to work in some labor job by the end of 8th grade. Without going on any longer and sounding like a back in the day speech. You can understand how times have changed since then. My students that I know are here illegally do not sound like the kids on here nothing like them that is the difference in being in South Carolina than being in lets say California. In south Texas we were not guaranteed high school back then really we were not guaranteed junior high school as well. We got our citizenship it was a surprise really something we dd not expect the paper work was a hassle and took years for us to actually get our paperwork for us to feel comfortable. I went to college in 1989 still played it low key at Southwest Texas State in San Marcos met my wife there same backgrounds but she lived in another town about 50 miles from me growing up . So different right? I am only 42 so it was not that long ago.

Wow very interesting, I'm thinking education has become the key now and days especially for my generation, considering I am 19. I grew up with the idea of educating myself since the day I set foot in this country and believe me when I tell you that I could have easily made some bad life changing decisions but I kept my head straight even though I knew I came from parents that did not attend/finish college and did not speak English at all, but I grew up with the idea that no one should easily be put down by their own reality, I gathered strength with that acknowledgement. As for the kids that you have encountered in South Carolina, I have met some kids that are like that, in fact I went to school with kids like that. I think that getting a quality education is not easy for everyone but I believe that everyone has the capacity and if we support legislation like the DREAM Act then perhaps those future kids that have that weak attitude towards education, could garner the strength for them to continue with their studies and become respectable individuals.


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