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ceaguila 06-28-2017 03:08 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Yes they are regular bills. If they pass the house.. they will go to senate where they will have no chance via @jbreisblatt

andreagb 06-28-2017 03:56 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
They already tried to pass Kate's Law last year and it failed. We shall see this year

Swim19 06-28-2017 04:02 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 616526)
not sure about that, i believe senator turtle mcconnell changed the rules. they only need a simple majority now just like the healthcare bill.. they only need 50 with mike pence as the tie-breaking vote.


Mcconnell is slick.

"Republicans knew that Democrats would filibuster a bill to repeal and replace ObamaCare. Conventional legislation needs 60 votes to break a filibuster to start debate and 60 votes to halt debate. McConnell knew Democrats would block the GOP at every turn, as Republicans only commanded 52 votes. But there’s a way around that. A special process called “budget reconciliation” lowers the threshold to a simple majority (51 yeas) to bring a bill to the floor. Budget reconciliation turns off most filibusters. But you still have to figure out a way to get onto the bill."

pretty sure they gonna keep doing this if they cant pass bills without dems... sad tbh, bipartisanship is dead thats why we need 60 so both dems and reps work together.
These bills would qualify under 'budget reconciliation'?

libertarian1776 06-28-2017 04:16 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
not sure but im thinking what would stop the gop sen majority leader from tweaking the senate rules to get what they want without dem support? they did it with the scotus pick and currently doing it with the health care bill. sad but true...

the point of the 60 2/3rds majority vote threshold is so that both parties can work together... but hey all power to the GOP since they control both chambers... what can ya do? -_-


Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 616535)
These bills would qualify under 'budget reconciliation'?

JohannBernoulli1667 06-28-2017 04:49 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
They will not break the rules for these. Political suicide...

They are not that stupid. They only do it for healthcare and taxes, things they get paid for by the rich. They actually want illegal immigration, it's good for business. It's all theatrics.

2Face 06-28-2017 05:16 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 616515)
DAP Right Wing DACA holder "but Daddy trump cares about DACa and that's all I care about. Screw everyone else but me!"



Burn doesn't it ;), DAP Right Wing DACa holders
Ignore this loser here people. He comes out of hiding whenever there's a news article about Trump going after criminal immigrants. He is against DACA and DACA recipients this guy. He is also full of shit. Can't believe the mods are continuing to let him post here abusing DAPers. This dude was railing against DACA and scaring posters here that Trump will "get rid of DACA on Day 1." What a disgrace.

isk84life 06-28-2017 05:20 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 616516)
These should pass.

After they pass, there might be SOME appetite for DACA legalization bill.
Lol why would Dems agree to pass these bills without getting anything for them?

isk84life 06-28-2017 05:22 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 616526)
not sure about that, i believe senator turtle mcconnell changed the rules. they only need a simple majority now just like the healthcare bill.. they only need 50 with mike pence as the tie-breaking vote.


Mcconnell is slick.

"Republicans knew that Democrats would filibuster a bill to repeal and replace ObamaCare. Conventional legislation needs 60 votes to break a filibuster to start debate and 60 votes to halt debate. McConnell knew Democrats would block the GOP at every turn, as Republicans only commanded 52 votes. But there’s a way around that. A special process called “budget reconciliation” lowers the threshold to a simple majority (51 yeas) to bring a bill to the floor. Budget reconciliation turns off most filibusters. But you still have to figure out a way to get onto the bill."

pretty sure they gonna keep doing this if they cant pass bills without dems... sad tbh, bipartisanship is dead thats why we need 60 so both dems and reps work together.
Any immigration bill needs 60 votes by senate rules.

2Face 06-28-2017 05:24 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
This is headed in the right direction believe it or not. There is no indication so far that they're targeting non criminal undocumented people. Why should we continue to support criminals? Dems should get the fuck on board and support these measures and try to get some of their agenda items taken care of AKA Dream Act to begin with. Cut some deals with the tycoon. If legalization is to happen there most likely will have to be enforcement. Trump isn't going to give anything away for free but he is definitely one who can compromise. Dream acts fate = entirely up to Democrats at this point. I am afraid they will not compromise with Trump because they won't want to give him a "LEGISLATIVE VICTORY" The politics here is fucked up!

fl_dreamer 06-28-2017 05:28 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
I support the second bill!


The second bill is Kate's Law, which would impose tougher penalties against deported felons who return to the United States. The bill is named after Kate Steinle, who was killed by an illegal immigrant who had been deported five times.


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