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Imthexman 12-01-2022 02:18 PM
Re: Push to Help DACA Faces Steep Odds in Lame-Duck Session
 
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Originally Posted by ECW (Post 768871)
No one knows for sure what is going to happen during the remainder of this lame duck, but there will be a vote on something DACA related. Whether or not that become law is a different question. I do believe we are going to see a little more action next week after the Georgia Senate runoff election.
I hope you are right but if I really do not see Schumer bringing up a bill in the reminder of this session (2-3 weeks), he often has said that he does not bring up bills unless he knows they are going to pass.

Also, I think that if they pass something right now, the dems would have to compromise to whatever the republicans want, but if they wait another year, all the pressure would be on the republicans and so the dems might negotiate a better more inclusive bill.

hDreamer1988 12-01-2022 04:21 PM
Re: Push to Help DACA Faces Steep Odds in Lame-Duck Session
 
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I hope you are right but if I really do not see Schumer bringing up a bill in the reminder of this session (2-3 weeks), he often has said that he does not bring up bills unless he knows they are going to pass.

Also, I think that if they pass something right now, the dems would have to compromise to whatever the republicans want, but if they wait another year, all the pressure would be on the republicans and so the dems might negotiate a better more inclusive bill.

Republicans won't feel any pressure to fix daca and that is why daca is the way it is right now. A portion of their base, while sympathizes, with our cause, does not feel it's a priority. They won't lose money or votes by not acting on immigration, only on the lack of border security.

I don't think a stand-alone bill will be put for a vote, instead, it will be tied into the larger year-end bills. That makes the most sense to me. Dont make daca the center of attention, instead sneak it in.

ralsingh 12-01-2022 04:59 PM
Re: Push to Help DACA Faces Steep Odds in Lame-Duck Session
 
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Originally Posted by Imthexman (Post 768873)
I hope you are right but if I really do not see Schumer bringing up a bill in the reminder of this session (2-3 weeks), he often has said that he does not bring up bills unless he knows they are going to pass.

Also, I think that if they pass something right now, the dems would have to compromise to whatever the republicans want, but if they wait another year, all the pressure would be on the republicans and so the dems might negotiate a better more inclusive bill.
There will absolutely be no pressure on Republicans for immigration reform (aka "amnesty") for EVEN a tiny fraction of an undocumented population like DACA. They just don't have the incentive to do it (other than moral drive - which is really not something we can count on with politicians in general).

This is unfortunately the best time for DACA. If this spills into next Congress (I call it the "Jim Jordan" Congress), fuggeddaboutit. Most we will get is codifying DACA into law and living as a second class citizens forever - if that.

ralsingh 12-01-2022 05:00 PM
Re: Push to Help DACA Faces Steep Odds in Lame-Duck Session
 
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Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 768874)
Republicans won't feel any pressure to fix daca and that is why daca is the way it is right now. A portion of their base, while sympathizes, with our cause, does not feel it's a priority. They won't lose money or votes by not acting on immigration, only on the lack of border security.

I don't think a stand-alone bill will be put for a vote, instead, it will be tied into the larger year-end bills. That makes the most sense to me. Dont make daca the center of attention, instead sneak it in.
That's it. You said it.

Imthexman 12-01-2022 11:49 PM
Re: Push to Help DACA Faces Steep Odds in Lame-Duck Session
 
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Originally Posted by ralsingh (Post 768875)
There will absolutely be no pressure on Republicans for immigration reform (aka "amnesty") for EVEN a tiny fraction of an undocumented population like DACA. They just don't have the incentive to do it (other than moral drive - which is really not something we can count on with politicians in general).

This is unfortunately the best time for DACA. If this spills into next Congress (I call it the "Jim Jordan" Congress), fuggeddaboutit. Most we will get is codifying DACA into law and living as a second class citizens forever - if that.

So if the Supreme Court ends daca 3-6 months before the 2024 presidential election, you don't think that the Republicans will be willing to vote on a daca bill? the reason dems did better than expected in the last election is because people don't like extremism and social issues like abortion rights. Daca could be the 2024 social issue that will help the dems win, I can see the media reporting daily on how nurses and teachers loosing jobs. Blue and Purple state Republicans know this and Mccarthy is going to do anything to keep his speakership, the house has a very thin margin so they don'thave the luxury of ingoring us this time. Offcourse I could totally be wrong and like you said the Republicans could simply ignore us and not even bring up a bill and maybe the voters also don't really care about daca and so daca is a non-issue. So I guess the question is, do republicans think that daca is an issue that can tilt the scale to the dems in 2024? If the answer is yes, then we have a chance if not then we are screwed

Copper 12-01-2022 11:54 PM
Re: Push to Help DACA Faces Steep Odds in Lame-Duck Session
 
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Originally Posted by Imthexman (Post 768879)
So if the Supreme Court ends daca 3-6 months before the 2024 presidential election, you don't think that the Republicans will be willing to vote on a daca bill? the reason dems did better than expected in the last election is because people don't like extremism and social issues like abortion rights. Daca could be the 2024 social issue that will help the dems win, I can see the media reporting daily on how nurses and teachers loosing jobs. Blue and Purple state Republicans know this and Mccarthy is going to do anything to keep his speakership, the house has a very thin margin so they don'thave the luxury of ingoring us this time. Offcourse I could totally be wrong and like you said the Republicans could simply ignore us and not even bring up a bill and maybe the voters also don't really care about daca and so daca is a non-issue. So I guess the question is, do republicans think that daca is an issue that can tilt the scale to the dems in 2024? If the answer is yes, then we have a chance if not then we are screwed
Over 60% of midterm voters wanted Congress to focus on securing the border and enforcing immigration law, while less than 10% believe a pathway to citizenship should be at the top of the agenda. Granting amnesty to immigrants has not been a top priority for Americans who vote.

beingoflight 12-02-2022 01:18 AM
Re: Push to Help DACA Faces Steep Odds in Lame-Duck Session
 
they mixed us with the asylum people, thats it. nothing is gonna get done.

cant the other irrelevant groups just shut the fůck up and stop ruining our shět every time? smfh we have lives built here already....

only thing left to do now is renew as close to the SCOTUS decision and wait for bad fanta man to try and save us again.

ralsingh 12-02-2022 10:36 AM
Re: Push to Help DACA Faces Steep Odds in Lame-Duck Session
 
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Originally Posted by Imthexman (Post 768869)
Some Republican aides also fear that the timing of a potential Supreme Court decision regarding the Dreamers could land in spring 2024, months before a presidential election, an outcome they would prefer to avoid.

I mean the ball is in the republican’s court, realistically nothing is going to happen in the next coupe of week, there are other “more important bills” the democrats are working on now. The most likely outcome is: Hanen rules to phase out DACA sometime next year, the dems appeal to the supreme court, the supreme court orders a temporary continuation of daca until they rule on it in 2024

I know this is bad for daca but if I were a democrat politician I would let this play for my political advantage, I would asap pretend to pass a bill, exposed republicans who opposed the bill, let Hanen kill daca and kick it to supreme court, if the supreme court completely kills daca by say September of 2024, the republicans will beg democrats to pass the dream act before the November elections.
I can't see a world where it's the Republicans who beg the Democrats to pass Dream Act. They just don't have the electoral incentive. Someone point it out on this forum - that most of their voting base sympathizes with DACA but it's not their top issue by far. They won't withhold their vote if Republicans don't pass Dream Act.

ralsingh 12-02-2022 10:43 AM
Re: Push to Help DACA Faces Steep Odds in Lame-Duck Session
 
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Originally Posted by Imthexman (Post 768879)
So if the Supreme Court ends daca 3-6 months before the 2024 presidential election, you don't think that the Republicans will be willing to vote on a daca bill? the reason dems did better than expected in the last election is because people don't like extremism and social issues like abortion rights. Daca could be the 2024 social issue that will help the dems win, I can see the media reporting daily on how nurses and teachers loosing jobs. Blue and Purple state Republicans know this and Mccarthy is going to do anything to keep his speakership, the house has a very thin margin so they don'thave the luxury of ingoring us this time. Offcourse I could totally be wrong and like you said the Republicans could simply ignore us and not even bring up a bill and maybe the voters also don't really care about daca and so daca is a non-issue. So I guess the question is, do republicans think that daca is an issue that can tilt the scale to the dems in 2024? If the answer is yes, then we have a chance if not then we are screwed
We just cannot count on House Freedom Caucus to ok an "amnesty" bill to go on the floor of the House. This is one of the stipulations that Jim Jordans of the world have set forth with Kevin McCarthy in exchange to provide support for his speakership.

Now Kevin McCarthy may not be as much of a hawk as Jim Jordan, but neither was John Boehner back in 2013. But when Gang of 8 bill passed with a super majority in Senate , Boehner did not even consider the bill in the House. Why? Because of hard right HOUSE republicans.

We cannot count on HOUSE REPUBLICANS for anything on immigration that benefits DACA. Pathway to citizenship, UNFORTUNATELY, is now or until (1) maybe Dems take both chambers again, or (2) Trump becomes President and DICTATES congress to pass something.

hDreamer1988 12-02-2022 11:27 AM
Re: Push to Help DACA Faces Steep Odds in Lame-Duck Session
 
I think Daca only can get enough republican support because it is a small group and has a sympathetic base in both parties. But when you start adding other groups, it becomes too large and scares republicans away. They wont risk getting primaried over immigration


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