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I have never heard him say that. Would you please link us to your source?

Re: Obama takes immigration reform off priority list this year
 

Obama also said in hes televised appearance like a week ago; that he will move things as fast as he can, he said unfortunately he doesn't have control of the congress calendar.

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I feel the pressures, but I have to agree on Buhraat,
people say I am an ass to the Dreamer, i screw them, I express my own opinion.
well, Alex, what if they decide to make the limit for all young people?
what if they make the limit only young people brought to USA at age 12 or under, not 12 or above? then some of us wouldn't even qualify for DA...
what if all these "bad things" happen to us? we probably need to wait another year or even longer for that CIR?

the one introduced this march said 15 or under, but it used to say 16 or under I thought, I don't know. But nothing is guarantee

one thing I find is that, if I say "wait" people may gang up on me and tell me I am not a dreamer.
What else can you do? we support the DA, the march, everything
we have petition, that's enough and all we can do
i lost my case too, 3 years ago, and I am still here

there is nothing more we can really do, honestly

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i feel you friend. It just gets me mad when I hear more of your stories. some of you have come here when you were 3 yrs old. I was detained for a month, I was only 18 at the time; you have no idea how much anger i had inside me. i felt my life crumbling. no1 would tell me what was going to happen to me. i heard stories of people being detained and being forgotten in there.

hope that every dog has its day.

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Questionsihave,

I also agree with K-man and I am grateful for his comment. It allows me to see where my post fails. The comment of course was never directed to dreamers who are struggling, either for the passage of dream or their personal issues. As mentioned many times, if you only have time to make one call to your state senator, by all means, just do that. Still, if you are giving an hour and can easily give two, you are just lazy. By you I do not mean questionsihave, i mean me and everyone who reads this post.

If any of the dreamers that are doing their part felt insulted, I am sorry, it was never my intention to put you down. Still, since I know several of them, I am pretty sure they know, they were not part of my rant. As a matter of fact, it is a praise, they are as undocumented, broke and young and every one and still do more than their part. They represent the ones that truly cannot do anything about DA. Neither did I said you were asking for pity, since I have read many of your posts. Still, you can easily check many posts and see whether my comments can or cannot fit some dreamers.

Many members do less than what they can do because they feel they cannot do much. After all, they are undocumented and young and broke. So, if we only have a 10%, we cannot even exercise even that because some people see that number and just give up. I usually like to encourage or give inspiring posts.

Still, it is clear that personal responsibility is a core value held high in DAP. If we are asking others to be responsible for themselves and their mistakes, sure you must admit, we ought to take responsibility for our own lives.

We can see DA failing this year but if every one does whatever they can, at least we can say we gave our best shot. We can say we took our lives in our hands and even with the odds against us, we bet for what is ours. We can grow as humans and individuals and take what we learned from this into other areas of our lives. Then, even if dream fails, we didn't.

Still, it is easier just to do nothing or very little. As much as it will hurt everybody if DA fails, it will hurt Matias more, because he pour his soul into it. The ones who invest little lose little. They go back to their lives as they are. If DA passes, I am going to get out the shadows, if it fails, I remain the same. So, yea, I am not only going to say that they are lazy, they are also cowards. You can defend them if you want to, I am just tired of making excuses for myself and others.

I am not feeling insulted or angry in any possible manner. I am grateful for your opinion and the way you stated it. I do pay attention to posts like yours because my way or the highway is never a good deal. I always want to see the validity of my arguments or if my posts was poorly written.

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^I don't think any of your posts are poorly written :)

As you stated it best, the point to take away from this is to work hard for it within reason, so we won't have regrets regardless of the outcome.

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friend, you should be glad that some of us here are very friendly and they are moderated in manner at the same time.
and you should be glad that you are not alone either.
keep the hope, try to live as happy as you may
like i always say, nothing is guarantee, YET, we need to keep the hope
people back in the 1980s, when the last immigrant reform took place, thousands of people, due to whatever reason (missing documents, or ect) didn't make their legal status...
they waited, they hoped, and soon, we may have a chance to celebrate together! i know it's tough for you, everybody has a different story, i can't exactly knows everything, but the one common is that we are looking for the brighter future.

alex, keep the hope, friend!

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I am grateful that you consider my posts. I have read several of yours in the past, and have agreed with some of your positions. Taking others into consideration is always good, especially in a forum like this one.

Also, I hope that the DA passes this yr, so you wont have to leave Cali.

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But he said he will move it this year and has said many times that he believes it will be done by the end of the year.

And yes, he has no control of the calender. That does not mean anything.

What he means is that, the goal is to finish it this year and they are working hard to ( moving on all front, said President Obama) finish it this year.

He is just being honest. Goals are set to finish it this year, but it is not 100 percent. Which means it could be finished by the end of this year but at the same time there is a possibility of it not being done this year.

Conclusion:

Do your part to help immigration reform pass and wait and see.

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Some of you guys are ok with waiting and the reality is that something has to happen this year. I agree with Alex that for some of us there is no 2010.

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Let me be more clear of what i meant :D.

I meant we should all do our part and try our best for it be passed this year. We should not get discouraged by articles that have pessimistic view on immigration reform and instead be encouraged by the ones that are more positive.

And after giving it all, we should wait and see what happens. What i am trying to say is that brooding over if it will be passed this year or not will not help the reform to pass.

I mean think about it, even President Obama ( as he said) doesn't control the congressional calender. So all we can do is to try our best. Thinking about it in a negative way will just slow us down.

Positive thinking is always the best.

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Cristina is gonna have a show on immigration tomorrow at 10pm :)

Wish it were Oprah doing it for us.

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Also i read the article. They are just playing with the words. Watch the video that he was quoted from here and you will see what i mean. He is quoted from this video. President Obama wants to move forward immigration reform this year and emphasized that he hasn't changed his stance on immigration at all.

Watch and enjoy. I hope people can stop worrying. This article is obviously biased and is trying to mislead people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6iCWBcuqew

So President Obama has not changed his stance.

He is simply saying that we are working on securing borders and are pushing for immigration reform at the end of this year.

Quote from President Obama ( same clip that article quoted him from):

" I see the process moving in this first year. And i am going to be moving it as quickly as i can. I have been accused of doing too much. We are moving full speed ahead on all fronts."



P.S. The youtube tag doesn't work. At least i can't figure out why it is not working for me.

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oh he's definitely starting talks. but finishing it? thats a whole different story. this is typical politics trying to appease different groups

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Why are you always trying to be so negative Bruinman?

See, the title says that Obama is taking immigration off priority list. That is completely wrong. Why?

Because President Obama has said completely the opposite of what article claims.

Also please study on the process Bruinman. It takes time. You need to have the vote to move forward. That is what they are trying to do. Without Border not secured, you wont be able to get those swing votes.

President Obama has started to work on it and is going to finish it. As when it will be finished?

Well that would as soon as he has persuaded on the fence senators to vote for it. And that takes time. It requires border security, people calling in support, different organization sponsoring and supporting the bill and ... .


It is not that he can do it and he is not doing it. He is doing his part to push for Immigration reform. I am hopeful that we will have either DA or CIR by the end of this year.

STOP BEING SO NEGATIVE.


P.S. No. you are not being realistic. You are just being negative. Sorry ;-).

P.S.S. The realistic point of view would be that it takes time and it can only pass when there is enough vote for it to pass. You need that 60 votes in senate and if you don't have it, then it would be pointless to bring it up. Persuading swing votes is the most important step. And Border security is what President Obama is doing to get those votes.

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Yes, she is. Everyone should try to watch it because she'll have our fellow DREAMer, Marie Gonzalez, on the show.

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It's all over, let's self deport. You go first though, and I promise we'll all follow...

PS: I love you boo

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People!
We need to stop crying and start ACTING!!!
Lets call, send emails and letters...I think everyone here knows what to do...
THIS IS OUR YEAR! WE HAVE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN!

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haha we'll see who'se point is correct come june, july, august, september, october...there's a difference between being a realist and being negative. you dont want to see something that is black and white to me. if you think that's being negative and it dampens your jolly spirit, thats your opinion. my opinion still stands as "CIR has no chance this year, bring DA up as standalone" and i will continue to advocate that point. learn to tolerate different views other than yours. otherwise you are no different from loathing ALIPACers who whine and moan with intolerance and impunity.

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Things are starting to look cloudy. First Obama wanted to cut down on the illegal immigrant chase and now he's going to re-inforce it? I don't know what's going on but Obama needs to make up his mind.

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this thread is really pathetic. Lets keep our spirits up, do our part and hope for the best.



Lets divert our attention to taking action area, thank you.

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I like that video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6iCWBcuqew

It is really moderate. Appeal to both Americans and DA.
"Border security" ---> otherwise more people will coming it.

So we hope they can finish this "discussion" as soon as possible.

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This video is the same video that this article quoted President Obama from.

It is never wise to listen to conservative articles. Most of them like to delete 99 percent of the speech and use 1 percent of it to prove their point.

An example of what this article has done is something like this :

Mr. A said: I dont Like pizza.

Now this article trying to quote Mr.A ( Lets delete " Dont" :-P)

Article says, Mr.A said : " I like Pizza".

This is the same thing that is happening here ( at least very similar) and people without even checking it for themselves are crying about it.


THIS ARTICLE IS TRYING TO MISLEAD YOU. WATCH THE CLIP AND YOU WILL SEE.

Ok a bit of improvment in your post. Now from constant whining about how " It will not pass this year, OH WE ARE DOOMED" to something more worthwhile to read.

To be honest, this is not a contest on who is right or wrong :D. We all wish that something will pass at the end of this year. What you just said again is once more pessimist and negative. it gives the vibes that you actually want something to not pass so that you prove your point. Lets hope for all of our sakes, you will be proven wrong and something passes.

And yes there is a difference between negativity and realism and i tried to tell you that (the same as how 99 percent of the members in this forum has tried to tell you :D).
Maybe you are not wearing the right lenses? You should try to see it from the realistic and optimistic point of view. Of course the pessimistic point of view is always black. Change your lenses :D.
A broken spirit will never succeed. If our spirits could be broken that easily, we would have never even been able to go to top universities and move forward despite all challenges. Plus we have President Obama and many other people and groups backing us. It would idiotic and disrespectful to them if not to ourselves to lose hope and start crying over every single bump.
I never said anything against your point of view. However in previous threads people were pissed at you for trying to force your opinion on them. I mean you made a thread about it and every one basically disagreed with you. We all agree that DA is more important to us, but face the reality. If senators and president Obama believes that CIR has a better chance of passing then, most of the crowd will move united with them. But still i never downsize your opinion.

I Like DA alot more than CIR too.

P.S. Yes, i have said all i needed about this. I will not reply back and turn this thread into another CIR vs DA thread. It is counter productive.

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yeah make it happen this year...because next year some people are up for re-election

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again you are twisting what i said and indicative of your whole argumentative style. all i said was CIR has no chance of passing this year, and all this mumbo jumbo talk about CIR is, in fact, just talk like previous years and that is why DA has to come up as a standalone. how you translate that into me saying "we are doomed" appalls me and pretty much sums up what i have said about you.

correct, this isnt a contest. and how you translate what i have said into implying that i dont want anything to pass is again, appalling and descriptive of your intolerance and bigotry. again, let me make it clear, all i have said is point out that i think "CIR has tough chance of passing, so bring DA up as standalone." you continuously attempt to hammer that statement as "negative" and "pessimistic" when, in reality, most people know CIR has slim chance to pass this year.

i think you are still confused and having a hard time grasping what i say. do i think CIR will be a tough sell this year? of course. do i think that since CIR deals with too broad a population is too much of a volatile subject, and republicans are dead set on enforcing the borders, that we need to address border security first, and then deal with legalizing millions in a step by step approach, starting with DA? of course. is that negativity? no. is that realistic? yes. is that my opinion? yes.

again, you try to label what i say as optimistic vs pessimistic. thats nothing but trying to belittle my statement and trying to force your own opinion on me. the fact that i want DA to come up as a standalone since CIR isnt going to be completed this year isnt being "pessimistic" as you are so dying to label it as. its being realistic. what you are saying that i should do....that i should hope and pray that somehow CIR will pass this year...is not being optimistic, its being delusional.


oh you precisely labeled my posts as negative and pessimistic quite a few times and now derisively suggests that i need to change lenses. and now you are trying to play innoncent with me? lol come on. also, if you have read the thread carefully, all i have done is state my opinion and some people took it to heart and felt the urge to blurt out expletives directed towards me which i felt i needed to respond. i never forced anything on anyone. all i have said is CIR HAS NO CHANCE, BRING UP DREAM AS STANDALONE, and some people just cant stand that idea for some reason. im alright when people disagree with me and offer constructive rebuttal and try to engage in a meaningful debate, but when you start leaving one liner comments like "f**king moron" and other similar useless posts, thats just being bigoted and ignorant.

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Lol Bruinman 8-). Whatever, we can't have a discussion if you keep on changing my main arguments. If we take a poll on who is distorting whose argument, i think you would win ( as in you are distorting my arguments). By hey, your posting is at least improving bit by bit. Although i think half of what you said above is just change of what i have said, at least the other half makes more sense. That's good :D.

In the end it is good to know that we both want something to pass right? As if CIR has a better chance or DA, i think that is for legislators to decide. They are the people who know who is going to vote no and who is going to vote yes.

But yes, i understand how you feel about DA. Yes, we need DA and the sooner it is passed the better. Lets try our best and hope for the best 8-).

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your argument is that my post is negative/pessimistic. if thats not your main point, you need to work on your writing. but, yes, we do need to work on DA to pass.

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now both of you make out:D

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The reason why it is easy to see this issue in different perspectives is because we are living in the greyest possible area. Thus, depending from where you are, what is what you are looking and your own life experience, this will look like an apple to someone and like an orange to someone else.

A dreamer that lives in an area with little or no immigrant community might feel different from a dreamer that lives in a strong immigrant community. I can honestly say, I would ban the dreamer I was in 2007. The information I had back then about the facts of life has been proven wrong by experience and new tools learned on the way.

With that said, to all questions related to immigration policy, whatever statement we give, it is always a "it depends" we might have the best response created by the best analysis of the best information. Yet, finding out tomorrow something else that proves that we were totally wrong.

My best bet is that even Durbin or Obama don't know exactly what they are going to do for sure. They might have a clue and their guest is for sure better than ours. Still, what will happen next no one knows.

The best thing we can do is to prepare ourselves to whatever will happen and give our best shot no matter what. No matter what happens next, Durbin and Obama are not going to pass DA by themselves, they need support, our support. If they do not get our love back, it can upgrade the task from hard to impossible.

Unless, of course, you do not want to support our commander in chief. You American traitor! shaking fist @ you. :p

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ah another newly joined kid who just cant seem to say anything constructive without resorting to name calling. grow up.

as for your other comment, you can go read my other posts that points out how short sighted your thinking is. oh, and CIR already has been "brought up" by schumer. bringing it up for a vote? thats a whole different issue. learn how politics work in washington and you would be vexed to see how many different ways things can seem like they are going somewhere, but they arent.

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Lock this thread already, you guys argue as if your input will actually have an effect in DC, as if Senators and state reps are reading this and will take it into consideration...just words and name calling. Useless thread by now. Just keep contacting your senators/reps/spreading the word/etc and if DREAM comes with CIR then be it and if it doesn't do you really think it was cos you posted your opinion on here? Probably not. You're either creating DAP enemies or stating the obvious...nothing is really coming out it. Some of you just like to read your own posts on here and feel smart/accomplished.

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Hey Guys!
Take it easy! PLEASE!!Why are you guys not making phone calls instead of wasting your time arguing over bs! It really does not matter if it will come up with cir, or as a stand-alone bill as long as it passes! Do your part and start making calls!
Why is this thread still open????It is such a waste of time!

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you want to lock it because you dont agree with it/doesnt see the point of it and so you want to block it and squelch it. thats the basis of all bigotry. if you dont agree with it, thats fine. leave it be. dont take it personally and go into a pms fit and post derogatory replies and imply that somehow i think i feel smarter by stating my opinion.

and for your info, i'm doing plenty lot to do my part in passing DREAM. would that help pass DREAM? maybe, maybe not. but im trying. and im passionate about what i do and what i plan to do. and i state my opinions as such. you may not agree with what i say but there are better ways to offer a counterpoint than resorting to random cursing and derisive comments.

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Ok now that you know name calling is childish, then i assume you have apologized for your shallow comment in this post right?

http://dreamact.info/forum/showpost....3&postcount=10
?

But yet again, based on what you said, you are not really trying to force your opinion on others. I mean insulting some one that badly and trying to force CIR down their throat is not really trying to force your opinion after all :rolleyes: .

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X2
Grow up guys! Start calling your senators!

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having a meaningful debate on issues we care about isnt wasting time. it just turns ugly sometimes when couple people resort to name calling and stray away from the main topic of having a discussion.

of course it doesnt matter if DA comes up as standlone or attached to CIR as long as it passes. thats not the point. the point is DA has better chance of passing as a standalone. thats just an opinion im sharing because im writing a 7 page paper on the whole topic and i will have it signed by UCLA law professor and the dean before i send it off to my congressman and key senators. some people are just reading that and pulling their hairs out.

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I second that.

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you missed the whole out of the blue "f*cking moron" comment above directed towards me when i posted that. are you saying if i called you a "f*ckin moron" for posting something that i dont agree with you would just take that and ignore it and act mother teresa? lol. ok, you win.

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So if some one acts childish towards you, then your childish act is justified?

If you truly believe he acted childish, then act in a mature manner, and instead of acting ten times a child, try to act like an adult.

If some one acts like a child and you act childish back then you both are a kid.

I am sorry for stating the obvious but that's how it is.

Now if you agree that your reply to Alex was childish and admit to that, then you have grown up and are mature. Otherwise, sorry, you are still a child yourself. Unlike kids, adults admit their fault and apologize.

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OMG! Deft, was right when he called me shallow! :oops:He is deep like the ocean. You know I luv ya deft. I just like to irritate you more.

Anyway, Bruinman, I am glad you are doing your part on this. Also, good that you are writing that paper and that you are going to send it to D.C. For that I thank you.

I don't think that this debate is positive at all. Clearly writing acidic responses to everyone does take time away from writing your paper and other things that are more important than this argument. There is a point when a thread is just a nail contest and this thread became that a couple of pages ago. How is that a helpful exchange of ideas?

Clearly, you that know so much more than us about politics and D.C. would know that acting in an arrogant and bitter form is not a way to create allies or friends to help your cause and get your way.

As for me, I had it with you. Be right if that makes you feel so great and accomplished. I rather be wrong and win DA. Either the mods should lock this thread or just everyone should ignore you and let you win for the sake of moving forward. And yea, feel free to give me red dots and insult me, I am not going to read it anyway.