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NK74 01-06-2011 04:28 AM

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It's much easier to support CIR when you know it's dead in the House. That way you can have your cake and eat it too.

NK74 01-06-2011 04:30 AM

Re: McCain turns around and now backs CIR
 
And btw, saying you support CIR once the border is secured.... well. that's a pretty ginormous qualifier. You can deem the border secured tomorrow or on Saint's Never nameday....

ibrahim 01-06-2011 05:54 AM

Re: McCain turns around and now backs CIR
 
You guys actually believe this poor old man after he betrayed us twice?

iNeverHadAChance 01-06-2011 02:18 PM

Re: McCain turns around and now backs CIR
 
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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 205021)
Well he was the CIR leader back in 2006 and 2007.

Yeah, only to get Hispanic votes for 08 election. He walked out on senate vote so he can boast to anti-immigrants. He doesn't want it to pass so he can gain supports from both parties.

DA User 01-06-2011 03:40 PM

Re: McCain turns around and now backs CIR
 
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Originally Posted by iNeverHadAChance (Post 205113)
Yeah, only to get Hispanic votes for 08 election. He walked out on senate vote so he can boast to anti-immigrants. He doesn't want it to pass so he can gain supports from both parties.

He was worried about his job before.

iNeverHadAChance 01-06-2011 04:18 PM

Re: McCain turns around and now backs CIR
 
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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 205122)
He was worried about his job before.

He didn't vote for Dream Act even after election.. a couple of weeks ago.

He wants to make you feel like he's on your side. "Making it seem like he's advocating for immigration reform just enough to get you on his side but not actually do anything" is perfect for him and just what he needs.

Jaliciense _DREAMER 01-06-2011 05:35 PM

Re: McCain turns around and now backs CIR
 
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Originally Posted by dado123 (Post 204981)
His echoing his current stance, secure the borders first, what the hell does this mean, can you please advise some context, do you wante a Berlin Wall, Barb Wires, 1000000000000000000, border guards, we have no structure to build, it is unclear/ambigious , if Obama would have been on his toes, he would have asked for benchmarks on border security, i.e. increase guards, x-rays, buidling the wall, whatever, now we have to define what a secured border is, after the fact that Obama already spend a lot of resources "securing the border"!

Yes. BRAVO!!! That's what I have always wondered: What does secure mean to these guys? Come on Republicans show us the yellow brick road/ give us a sign. I also saw a Marco Rubio interview last night. He says the same thing: secure the border and compel every employer to check the immigration status of workers first . . . then immigration reform. I am sorry, but these guys are idiots. Border security, e-verify, and legalization have to happen in one bill (CIR).

Just imagine how difficult it would be for all of us in terms of sustenance/housing/money if the borders were secure and all employers started checking immigration status.

Romero 01-06-2011 06:12 PM

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the border is secure dammit. trust me i know people who work in that "industry" and its hard to get people over now a days.

DA User 01-06-2011 09:03 PM

Re: McCain turns around and now backs CIR
 
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Originally Posted by iNeverHadAChance (Post 205136)
He didn't vote for Dream Act even after election.. a couple of weeks ago.

He wants to make you feel like he's on your side. "Making it seem like he's advocating for immigration reform just enough to get you on his side but not actually do anything" is perfect for him and just what he needs.

He wants CIR to pass so we can secure the border and take care of everything for once.

DA User 01-06-2011 09:06 PM

Re: McCain turns around and now backs CIR
 
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Originally Posted by Romero (Post 205161)
the border is secure dammit. trust me i know people who work in that "industry" and its hard to get people over now a days.

We still have the violence and people coming in though.

Jaliciense _DREAMER 01-07-2011 12:24 AM

Re: McCain turns around and now backs CIR
 
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Originally Posted by Romero (Post 205161)
the border is secure dammit. trust me i know people who work in that "industry" and its hard to get people over now a days.

Totally agree. I think the border is sercure enough. The relatively easiest way would be through the desert, but that way is almost 65%-75% guaranteed death for people crossing. If Republicans want the fence, that's the stupidest way to go and a waste of money. But hey, if that's what they want, give it to them (as far as funding to continue the project) through CIR. I think what Republicans are really aiming for is to get Obama and Democrats to make e-verify mandatory. I think that would really make life even more difficult for the illegal immigrant community.

Romero 01-07-2011 07:20 PM

Re: McCain turns around and now backs CIR
 
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Originally Posted by Jaliciense _DREAMER (Post 205248)
Totally agree. I think the border is sercure enough. The relatively easiest way would be through the desert, but that way is almost 65%-75% guaranteed death for people crossing. If Republicans want the fence, that's the stupidest way to go and a waste of money. But hey, if that's what they want, give it to them (as far as funding to continue the project) through CIR. I think what Republicans are really aiming for is to get Obama and Democrats to make e-verify mandatory. I think that would really make life even more difficult for the illegal immigrant community.

Desert is too hot(no pun intended) sensors are spread throughout the known routes, not to mention infrared cameras and remote controlled hawks. The easiest way is through the border itself but I won't go into detail. It's all a matter of supply and demand as long as there is demand people will find a way to pay and get over. Plus who do you think is gonna pick the fruits and vegetables? I've had a BP agent tell me straight out that during picking season they turn a blind eye because they know no one else will pick their food.


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