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Maybe because student visas cannot be used to adjust to permanent residence. If you come into the US under a student visa, you are here on a temporary basis, you cannot work outside the university, you come to study and once your done you have to leave.
Most of us lived here for most of our lives. This is our home. We WANT to be able to stay here LEGALLY and we WANT to be MORE a part of the SOCIETY.

Believe me when I say that everyone on this website has looked into ways of becoming legal here. But the pathway is just not there. There are few non-immigrant visas where you can have an intent to immigrate to the United States.

There are 65,000 H1-B worker visas available. Those visas are available to those industries in demand and issued in 3 year increments. If you want a visa, you must have an employer sponsor who acts as a petitioner for you to get a chance at a visa. IF you are approved for the visa which is a small chance, then you are able to come into the US and work for the company.

If the company is willing to pay for the legal fees and sponsor you, then they can begin the process of adjusting your status to that of permanent resident. The employer sends in a petition for a visa. Now comes the priority dates and visa availability. If you come from a high demand country, you will have to wait 10 or more years before a visa becomes available to you. Now, since you are on the H1-B visa, you have to fulfill the requirements of leaving the US for a year and then coming back to work to be able to apply for an extension, and the H1-B visa cannot be issued for more than 10 years. So by the time you are eligible, you would have quit the job and/or became unlawfully present, thus being unable to get the green card.

You often hear about how the immigration system is broken, it's because it is. The system is so convoluted that if you aren't a celebrity, a rocket scientist, a millionaire, or related to a citizen, then basically you can't immigrate. You hear about Justin Bieber committing felonies and what? he's not getting deported. While thousands of undocumented people are deported for traffic tickets.

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We're not going to change either one's mind, so this will be my last post regardless of how you respond.

The difference between amnesty back in 86 and now would be that Reagan didn't care for the border, just simply giving illegals another chance. Obama under his administration has deported more illegals than George Bush did (who was also relatively sympathetic to the illegals) or any other president for that matter. Yet no conservative seem to want to acknowledge this. Obama would obviously be looking to secure the border more under CIR. CIR isn't just giving illegals another chance. It's about closing the border, and making the immigration process more tight and tidy. Would it be the perfect solution? Who is to say, but at least it's geared toward fixing a problem and going on the right direction, which the Republican base either doesn't seem to want to do or going about it completely wrong.

And you're bordering (pun, get it?) on hyperbole with the 20+ million illegals. At most it appears to be about 12 million, with range between 8-12 million. U.S.'s population is 300+ million, meaning illegals make up of less than 5% (I didn't do the specific math but should be less than 5%). That's a very small group of people to accuse of saying "they're part of the problem with our economy and reason why our national debt is in the trillions".

Even if they are, your claims of illegals being a burden on taxpayer money is hypocritical. So if you have problems with children using American education, school lunch, whatever healthcare issue you appear to be misinformed about. Here's a simple solution: Let them able to work legally and give them a chance to pay back through taxes. Other than income taxes, illegals are paying taxes. So let them pay income tax. If you're not willing to let illegals work legally, then the whole argument of them being a burden on taxpayer money doesn't make sense. So don't make that argument when you have claimed you don't believe in letting illegals work legally.

Enforcing all laws is not possible. Should the U.S. enforce all laws, including arresting those downloading movies and music off the internet illegally, or arresting those who jaywalk? Most people seem to get the idea that law = morality. No, no it doesn't. Breaking the law doesn't make a person bad human being. But let's say, U.S. enforces all immigration law. That's another waste of taxpayer money to scrutinize every single small business. You know how big of a hassle that is to manage? And your view of children being born here not being granted citizenship is unfair. So a child born in the U.S. should suffer because of mistakes the parents made? Real ethical. No wonder the Republican Party is losing more members and popularity everyday because they show absolutely no compassion. Realized minorities, immigrants, women, the poor, homosexuals are tending to the left? You who claimed you have compassion for people brought to this country illegally when they were young is yet claiming people born in this country shouldn't be granted citizenship if their parents weren't. Yeah real consistency I see there. You like tearing apart families?

And I do not care if you're a conservative or not, but the whole conservative base are all for yelling about protecting the Constitution yet anything they disagree with, they want the Constitution to be changed without directly mentioning the Constitution. I find it quite funny to be honest with you.

And while I don't condone stealing other people's SSN or anything like that, you're generalizing. There are enough of us who acquired our own SSN (I've had my own social security number since 1997) and/or worked under table. So don't generalize us like that; it's absolutely unfair. It's none of your business to know how my family obtained original SSNs. You see, you're that very misinformed of how difficult the immigration process is in this country despite you thinking you're knowledgeable in this topic.

And finally, I will say this. Just because a person claimed not to be racist for going against amnesty doesn't mean that person is right. It's only been 50 years since the Civil Rights Movement ERA. 50 years is a short time in history. Nowadays, there is such stigma attached to being a racist that nobody wants to out themselves as a racist. People who whine about illegal immigrants are also the ones who seem to whine about Spanish being spoken in this country or dialing 2 for Spanish over the phone. You don't think that is some form of racism? There is no official language in the U.S. And that fear is unwarranted considering the fact that a lot of the children of illegals speak English fluently. But yes, it's frown upon to speak Spanish, just like 50-100 years ago when it was frown upon to speak Italian. Yet, most Italian-Americans do not speak a lick of Italian nowadays, just English. So I don't think people who are fearful of spanish language should worry much. And I'm not one bit Hispanic nor do I speak the language. I am not of Hispanic ethnicity and I could smell this racist bs in this country.

Anyways, best of luck to you, Enough. I hope someday that you show some compassion.

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@Enough

Blanket amnesty in '86 was rife with fraud; 99% of us weren't even in the country at that time, and many were not even born. I know a lot of large Eastern European families; mostly Romanian, and a lot of Bulgarians, who had a family member enter the country after being smuggled though Mexico to take advantage of it. Many gained status on bogus asylum claims, only to return frequently to their country of origin to visit as soon as they received permanent status. The difference this time is that we are asking to be allowed the opportunity to earn status, rather than just be given it by simply being present. But what happened then cannot be imposed or blamed on our conduct.

All of the potential legalization bills that have circulated Congress for the past 15 yrs have had a multitude of prospective requirements to meet before one could be given whatever status one qualified for. The previous amnesty had retroactive requirements, which from what I've read, were easy to falsify.
What is it about undocumented status that is so absolute, insurmountable and unforgiving that you believe people should not be given the opportunity to earn legalization?

Do you find it okay that rich foreign nationals buy their way in? Is it okay for investors - mostly Chinese- to price middle class families, both native and immigrant - out of home ownership, as it happens where I live? I assume they all have status. There are thousands of ways in which privilege, class, wealth and illegal immigration fuse to disrupt lives here and abroad. The way I see it, it all comes back to education and inequality. The global and American economies are changing faster than the American citizenry has had time to adjust, and I feel that we are scapegoated for the ills of the country, while those in privilege get a free pass.

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I couldn't disagree more. First and foremost, I know many who are anti-illegal immigration. But, I don’t know anyone who is anti-immigrant. Proponents of CIR always conflate legal with illegal. It is disingenuous to group the lawful with unlawful. There is a difference.

Race/ethnicity has been used by La Raza and other illegal alien advocates to demonize and silence opposition. It's a lie, period. They are exploiting the ugly history of slavery and Jim Crow to support their agenda. They can't defend their position, so they use the race card. Furthermore, "Hispanic" is not a race. One can be from any race and be Hispanic. Moreover, the majority of Hispanics self-identify as "white." It is total nonsense. There is no "brown" race.

While we will always have racism, the vast majority of citizens opposed to CIR are not racists or xenophobes. Again, that is nothing but spurious propaganda. Any country's citizens would be opposed to having untold millions streaming across their border, living and working in their country, and using their resources without going through legal channels. If I wanted to live in Mexico or Central America, I would move there. I don't want my country transformed into their third-world existence.

I daresay, if millions of Haitians started entering Mexico, they would not be welcome. They certainly would not receive the red carpet treatment Hispanic illegal aliens receive in the USA. Their children would be denied an education, and adults would be denied jobs. They would be forced to leave, or die.

Furthermore, Hispanics are some of the most racist people I have encountered. They complain about racism against Hispanic illegal aliens. Yet, they are racists. They bring their racist culture to this country, and consider themselves superior to Black Americans; because, in their countries, black people are considered scum. Talk about hypocrisy!

BTW, how do you define extremism?

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You are missing a salient point. People here illegally should not be burden on U.S. taxpayers, period. Unfortunately, they are, to the tune of billions annually. They shouldn't use ANY government assistance, let alone amounts equal to that of citizens. How is that a benefit to this country? We have enough citizens in need. We certainly don't need to import poverty.

The latest report indicates there are more 22-year-old citizens than any other age group. For the first time, they have surpassed the population of baby boomers. I doubt we will have a shortage of citizens without illegal aliens. We also welcome on average 1 million legal immigrants annually. We will be fine.

Furthermore, Social Security is only facing insolvency due to misappropriation of funds. There wouldn't be a problem if the government would stop dipping into those funds. Don't get me started on the number of illegal aliens receiving SS disability. Obama's aunt was one, despite having never worked a day in this country. Not only was she receiving monthly disability checks, she was also living in tax-funded subsidized housing and receiving food stamps. She is now deceased. But, how on earth did she benefit this country, or illegal aliens currently receiving similar assistance?

Yes, I agree we should entice immigrants, but not ILLEGAL immigrants. Legal immigrants tend to be educated, with skills we need to compete in this global economy. Many also start businesses. Conversely, illegal aliens tend to be uneducated and illiterate. They also tend to give birth to children they cannot support, which places an even greater burden on taxpayers.

The CBO? Surely you jest! How on earth will millions of low-skilled, uneducated "fix" our national debt; particularly, given a large percent are on government assistance? They receive far more than they give. Yes, there are economists who claim illegal immigration will boost the economy. The same economists funded by special interest groups with a vested interest in changing the demographics of this country. Their "reports" aren't worth the paper they're printed on. In any case, we do not need illegal aliens to fix anything in this country.

The net outcome? The only "outcome" I see is formerly nice middle-class neighborhoods being transformed into drug-infested, crime-ridden, overpopulated barrios. I also see overcrowded schools, with lowered standards. I feel for parents who don't have the means to send their children to private schools. Thanks to massive illegal immigration, the U.S. is now sinking to the bottom in world-wide educational ranking. That is certainly not an outcome to celebrate.

As for interracial marriages, how is that relevant? We have had interracial marriages for years in this country. In fact, my marriage is interracial. Are you suggesting Hispanic illegal aliens are assimilating? If so, I haven't noticed. In fact, they are Balkanizing this country, destroying our established melting pot. No, this is not a positive change.

Let the Dreamers remain who will become contributing members of society. But, the rest should leave. As I previously stated, another amnesty will be an even greater disaster than the last. No thanks.

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Not any member of my family (which includes a black American brother in-law) nor me have ever referred to ANY black American as scum; we don't think we are superior to anyone based on race; we are Hispanic*

*I have very close friends who are black Americans who are continuously stereotyped and scrutinized by the community at large due to legacy racism and racist attitudes. They are CS professionals with advanced graduate degrees; it makes not a difference. We go out to eat, and they get treated differently. We go shopping and I can feel the difference. The majority of those enabling the prejudice are "white" Americans. I've only ever dated Caucasian men; most of my friends are Caucasian; and they too are aware of intrinsic racist attitudes. We believe in creating change by modeling the behavior that we wish to see in others, and to lead by example. I'm sorry that you have experienced racism from other Hispanics; surely you know by now not to paint everyone with the same brush.

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Thanks for explaining Dreamer's dilemma. I will be the first to agree we need to revamp our legal immigration process. I also support allowing STEM and other graduates with useful knowledge and skills to remain here following graduation. They are an asset.

My husband entered this country on a student visa, and managed to become a permanent resident and ultimately a naturalized citizen. While I do not know the entire process, I do know he fully complied with the law. He is also a native of South America. It can be done.

Our immigration policies should be selective. We don't need immigrants who cannot benefit this country, which is precisely why many applicants are rejected. Those rejected must accept the decision, and move on. After all, there are other countries in the world. If they can't enter the U.S., try elsewhere.

The H1-B Visa system is fraught with fraud; as are other visas, such as the U-Visa. Companies are using the H1-B to replace qualified U.S. citizens with cheaper foreign labor. The laws must change to prevent such fraud and abuse. That's the type of "reform" most citizens can support.

I am not a Justin Bieber fan. As far as I'm concerned, he has contributed nothing to this country. But, you can't compare his treatment to that of illegal aliens being deported for traffic violations. He is here legally. All illegal aliens are deportable, regardless of their infraction. If our laws were being enforced, illegal aliens would not brazenly proclaim they are "undocumented and unafraid." That's a huge middle finger to the citizens of this country.

I do believe Dreamers will be permitted to stay. But, the push for CIR is going to be met with massive opposition, especially now with the surge at the border. I understand why you want all to be legalized. But, you guys should choose your battle wisely.

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I was trying to make a point however. How Justin Bieber who is legally here under a visa is able to commit deportable crimes, yet he is able to get away with it because of his celebrity. While there are undocumented families who are split apart because they were unlucky coming home from work and get pulled over by the police. They don't have licenses and if the police put two and two together and find out they're undocumented, they are arrested and placed under ICE custody.

There are different groups of undocumented immigrants coming from different backgrounds. You do have individuals whom you mention that abuse the system, I know, I've actually voiced my opinion on that in this website. But it's not an accurate portrayal to say there are hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants that do this, when you look at the plight of those who come here. Immigrants, in general, aspire to make something of themselves in the land of opportunity, not to be a burden onto themselves.

There can't be a one size fits all solution to immigration. You mentioned your desire for a merit based system, letting those who can contribute stay and those who can't leave, it sounds commonplace, but the congress can't come up with the fix. You can make it happen you have a voice, whatever fixes you think need to happen, you are entitled to your opinions being heard.

I, along with others here, will continue to live with DACA.

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No, we will not change each other's mind. However, I was hopeful you would gain a better understanding of those opposed to CIR, and realize opposition is not personal. Nor is it primarily motivated by racism. But, that's fine. You don't have to respond. Regardless, I will respond to this.

In reality, Reagan was promised the border would be secured, just as we are being promised today. It didn't happen then, and it won't happen now. Obama has NOT deported more. When pressed, he admitted his deportation numbers include those turned away at the border, as well as counting repeat deportations as though they were additional people. If the same person was deported 5 times, it was erroneously reported as five illegal aliens. The numbers were skewed. Do a little research. If millions are turned away at the border, that does not lower the number currently here. In fact, there has been very little interior enforcement, by design.

Obama will do exactly what the Hispanic lobby dictates. He initially stated the "children" crossing the border would be returned, and suggested the law should be changed to treat them the same as Mexicans and Canadians. Then, as soon as the Hispanic Caucus opposed, he changed his tune. I have no faith in Obama. Frankly, I am sorry I voted for him.

CIR will not fix the problem. It sounds good on paper, but it will never be implemented and enforced by this incompetent government. We don't need a new law to secure the border. Congress already passed a bill to appropriate additional funds for border security. Unfortunately, Bush didn't do it, neither did Obama. They don't want the borders secured. They want illegal immigration to continue to ensure a steady supply of cheap labor.

Hyperbole? I think not. But, I do like your pun. LOL! The government is using the same source today as in 1986 (Census Bureau) to estimate the number here illegally. In 1986, they estimated there were 800,000 in the country. In reality, there were in excess of 3 million. That is quite a huge discrepancy. If they were so off on their estimate then, what would make you believe they have it right now? No, we have far more than 11-12 million. Twenty million is not farfetched; and in the final analysis, may actually be rather conservative.

I said I don't want illegal aliens to work, because I don't want them here, period. And, their race, ethnicity, and national origin have no bearing on my opinion. It is unfair to reward illegal aliens, while others complied with our laws. Not to mention, the millions who are currently waiting for the opportunity to enter this country through legal channels. Why should they be put on the backburner?

If you actually believe it's a waste of taxpayers' funds to enforce our immigration laws, you clearly don't believe we should control illegal immigration. Well, I am a citizen, and I don't consider it a waste. In fact, IMO, it's imperative. It will cost far less to enforce the law, than to pay for millions of illegal aliens for perpetuity.

I have a newsflash for you. It is not only Republicans who support changing Birthright Citizenship. I am not a Republican. Nor are most of my family and friends. Yet, we all believe it should be changed. Even Harry Reid argued for an end to BC prior to adopting his current pandering posture. If you think I'm lying, check out Harry Reid on this video. It is very short, not even a minute long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75a9Wa6KL7k

I can't live in France as a U.S. citizen and give birth to a French citizen, even if I am there legally. Other countries realize they should not confer citizenship to children who do not have a parent citizen. That isn't being mean-spirited; that is simple common sense. Children born to illegal aliens should have the same citizenship as their parents. If they have two Mexican national parents, they should also be a Mexican national. After all their parents aren't U.S. citizens. Your argument lacks logic. Granting children the citizenship of their parents does not in any way, shape, or form "tear apart" families. That's not even bordering on hyperbole. That IS hyperbole.

Illegal immigration and birth tourism has bastardized U.S. citizenship. U.S. citizenship no longer has value when anyone can enter this country, by any means, and give birth to a U.S. citizen. I suppose you also believe women should have the right to fly here from every corner of the world, for the sole purpose of giving birth to a U.S. citizen, then returning home. That's exactly what is happening. Google "Birth Tourism." It's appalling. No other country would tolerate such blatant abuse.

I am not sure why you continue to mention Republicans. I couldn't possibly care less whether any group is for or against them. I already told you, I am not a Republican. I am a former lifelong Democrat, now Independent. If you honestly think the Democrats care about you, you are sorely mistaken. I assure you, they don't. They will say what is necessary to secure votes. They have no moral compass. They don't have a more loyal base than black Americans. Yet, they have thrown them under the bus. You are naive if you actually believe they have your best interest at heart, gays, or any other group. They want votes, period. If Satan and his demons appeared in large enough numbers, they would embrace them for votes.

I am not going to rehash the racism argument. It is utter nonsense. Some have been brainwashed to see racism at every corner. Now, after 75 years, it is suddenly racist to have the team name Washington Redskins. PC is out of control. I have yet to have anyone offer a cogent explanation as to how opposition to illegal immigration is inherently racist. But, if it furthers your cause, I suppose you'll continue to attack opponents with the race card.

I am very compassionate. But, I have little compassion for criminals; especially those who ruin the lives of others for personal gain. Again, illegal immigration is not a victimless crime. My compassion is reserved for the victims.

I find it strange that you believe I lack compassion. If true, I would not have compassion for Dreamers, which I most certainly do. In any case, I enjoyed our chat. Take care!

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I keep hearing illegal aliens are required this time to "earn" legalization. How is legalization earned? With the passage of CIR, illegal aliens will be summarily legalized. Is that not true? There is no prior requirement, other than one must have entered prior to a specified date. That is easily accomplished. Illegal aliens will rely on the same fraud to "prove" they were here prior to the date as they have used to survive in this country.

The only so-called requirements involve those who want to eventually apply for citizenship, which we both know is not the goal for many. Once legalized, they can remain in this country indefinitely without ever learning English, getting in the back of the line, or paying back taxes. Heck, most will never as much as be subjected to a thorough background check. The applications will be rubber-stamped. And, millions more will come.

I vehemently oppose legalization, because I believe in fair play. I don't believe people who chose to violate our laws should be rewarded, while the lawful are punished. None will be punished for ruining the lives of the millions they victimized through ID theft. None will be punished for tax evasion. None will be punished for willfully employing illegal aliens. None will be punished for filing fraudulent tax returns, claiming bogus children to receive tax refunds or EITC. Not one! How is that fair?

We are in total agreement on preferential treatment for the wealthy.

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I realize all Hispanics are not racist. I have Hispanic friends, whom I cherish. However, I also realize the culture of many, which includes a low overall opinion of black Americans. I have witnessed their disdain towards blacks. Once racism is instilled, it is not easily changed. Sure, there are racist Caucasians. But, they are not all racists. I can certainly attest to that.

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I realize we are all individuals. I have no doubt some illegal aliens are kind, hardworking people, simply trying to survive. There are good and bad in every group. If these same people respected this country enough to play by the rules, I would welcome them with open arms. But, we can't keep going down this same road every 20 to 30 years. We simply can't. No country can sustain a constant flow across its border.

There will never be a viable solution from Congress. Neither side wants illegal immigration to end. Even with the passage of CIR, the government will leave the border open. This country is now an oligarchy. "We the People" have no power. Nearing an election is the only time politicians give a damn about constituents. Afterward, they return to doing the bidding for special interest groups who line their pockets. I never thought I would live to see this country become so greedy and corrupt. It is truly sad.

As previously mentioned, I believe the DREAM Act will pass. I can't imagine anyone not supporting granting legal status to people who entered this country as innocent children. But, you must do something to change the negative image. Believe me, the arrogance is a huge tune-off. Tell your leaders to try "asking" for a change, rather than "demanding." I am sure it will make a difference. In the meantime, enjoy DACA!

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That should be "turn-off" not "tune-off." :wink:

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Wow. Can you stfu and get off this forum? It's painfully obvious you're trying to appear "objective" yet passive-aggressive with your opinion. Stop. You're hopeless. No one is buying your pretentious act. You're as bad as the extreme right wingers of this country.

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Wow! How pathetic. Despite your crude behavior, I will continue to support the DREAM Act. I realize all Dreamers are not as obnoxious and vulgar as you and a few others on this forum. Some are actually deserving of legalization and a chance for a normal life in this country.

If you thought you could get a rise out of me, you thought wrong. I will not stoop to your base level. For your information, I don't have a "pretentious" bone in my body. I sincerely thought I could help. But, obviously my perspective is not appreciated by some, which is fine. I am not the one in need of support and legalization.

However, if I'm not mistaken, you are not a mod on this forum. I have done nothing to violate TOS, unless friendly advice and opposition to CIR qualifies as such. In any case, I will certainly let others know, unless they support CIR, some Dreamers don't want their support. Thanks for the tip.

Have a great day!

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Yeah your uninformed thoughts are unappreciated here. Anybody could go to any opposition's forum, trying to sound objective as possible while continuing to passive-aggressively give your opinion.

Why are you here? To argue with bunch of internet people? Majority of us are here so we can support each other and help each other with whatever difficulties or questions we have. You do not know what it feels like to be in our shoes or POV. Don't pretend that you have compassion for us when it's clear from your posts that you do not (despite your continuing yelling of "I SUPPORT THE DREAM ACT", "I HAVE COMPASSION FOR DREAMERS", etc). If you have not be in our shoes, do not pretend to know what we've gone through in our lives.

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But her husband went through the legal immigration process so she must know somehow.

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I explained my purpose. My intent was to help Dreamers understand the issue of illegal immigration from a non-racist citizen's perspective. I did not come here to troll or antagonize.

You have made your point. I am not welcome here by some. Your opinion of me is irrelevant. I know my heart, as does God. That is all that matters to me. I don't have have to prove myself to you. If you don't want my support, so be it.

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And you gave us your perspective of a citizen. And as I have said, scapegoating a group that is less than 5% in this country is ridiculous. Don't give me this "non-racist" perspective as I have said, majority of people who are against giving illegals a second chance claim not to be racist. But willing to bet decent portion of them are also the ones complaining about Spanish being spoken in this country and simply does not want to be branded as a racist because of the stigma that holds.

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I will only say this one more time. The vast majority of citizens opposed to illegal immigration are NOT racists.

Stop drinking the MSNBC koolaid. There's a reason they are at the bottom of the media ranking. Only the most clueless believe their tripe. They have an agenda. It's too bad you don't realize how you are being duped.

This is our country. We have a right to expect our laws to be enforced, our borders secured, and immigrants to go through legal channels. That does not constitute racism. Would it be racist for you to expect those entering your house to knock on your front door, and wait for an invitation to enter, as opposed to climbing through your bedroom window?

Think what you want. Again, it is irrelevant to me. I don't need your approval to enjoy my life. I'm through here. I was taught as a child to never stay where I am not welcome. I wish you all the best. Take care!

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Sweetheart, I don't watch MSNBC nor your precious Faux News. In fact, only TV I watch is It's Always in Sunny. Great funny show. I read articles. Various articles on any issue. I come to my own conclusion from reading multiple sources. You see, I know how to read and form my own conclusions like a fluent English speaking adult. Are you disappointed I don't fit your stereotype?

You can continue to claim that most people who are against it are not racist. I as a minority in this country (and not a brown/hispanic minority at that), know how ridiculously racist this country can be, especially the ones from the South and the Midwest. There has been such outraged over Spanish being spoken in this country. That is MORE than enough to know "i'm not a racist" is just a cover up. Sure, there can be truly non-racist people who oppose it, but I really highly doubt majority of them who are against illegals would be really not racist. As some other poster here said, if majority of illegals were whites, there certainly would be much more approval.

Again, scapegoating a group that is less than 5% in this country and making them to be a major economic issue in U.S. is ridiculous. How stupid can you be?

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Ok, this will be my final response to you. I am busy. I don't have time for your prepubescent nonsense. And, I am not your sweetheart. I am a grown woman with a husband and son. Continue to rant to your heart's desire. But, be advised, the more you post, the more you discredit your cause. Apparently, you don't realize other citizens also visit this forum. Some are fence-sitters. But, I am sure you don't care. After all, you don't want support from citizens. You don't need our help. We're all racists for not embracing massive illegal immigration.

You clearly lack civility, maturity, class, as well as critical thinking skills. Faux News? How very childish. Grow up. All media is biased, including Fox News. I have no affinity for any news outlet. I take it all with a grain of salt.

Yes, some of the fringe anti-illegal groups are indeed racist. I don't associate with them. I loathe racism, in any flavor. But, they do NOT represent the majority of opposition. Are you not aware of the existence of the "silent majority?" However, if vilifying opposition is the only way you can rationalize your illegal existence in this country, please knock yourself out. Repeating a lie will not make it true.

You paint all opposition with the racism brush, because you lack a cogent defense. After all, there is no defense for the indefensible. When all else fails, you play the race card. Well, that race card has become rather old and tattered. Adults of average intelligence are capable of discerning real racism from the agenda-driven manufactured. Decent citizens have grown tired of your baseless accusations. We don't care anymore.

Make no mistake, there are also racists on the pro-illegal side. You have a few here. Or, haven't you noticed? I applaud kabs for calling one out yesterday.

I could not possibly care less if you are Black, White, Asian, or polka dot. I was born and raised in this country. I have a thorough understanding of its racist history. Sadly, I also realize racism will never die.

If you hate this country so, and believe it's replete with racist anti-illegal citizens, why don't you leave? After all, this is not your country. Go home where you will be welcome by all, and let the decent Dreamers realize their dreams. They don't need your ilk as an impediment.

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shut. The. F*** up.

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I called out Enough irrationally racism and hate for illegal immigration as seen by his passion of making an account here a obvious name such as enough. No mas would have been too obvious.


As I said talking with this person is the equivalent as those Washington post people make. No matter what point you bring out. This person will find something around it republicanize it back.


I am surprised some of you are actually responding to that person

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I'm not surprised this got ugly.

People should only write posts that they would be okay publishing under their real names. Think, "if this website were to be hacked, what would happen if my identity were revealed?".

Nothing online is truly anonymous despite appearances.

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It's truly sad how some dreamers would be willing to deport their parents just to side with an obvious passionate eloquent Alipac troll who shows fake compassion and even fabricates a story of how he/she is married with a LEGAL immigrant to try to rally a non-existent support.

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She says that hes from South American, came with a visa, adjusted and became a citizenship.

Then goes around saying how there are too many work visas given out and taking the jobs out of REAL americans employees.

While her own husband came with a visa, and took the job out of a REAL hard working american. Regardless if he adjusted or not, he still a job away from a natural born citizenship.

In some posts, she talks about how dreamers as adults should take responsibility and should just adjust seeing how her husband did it just fine with out error. Then goes around shes compassionate towards dreamers?

Miss Obvious, I mean ENOUGH post read as well fabricated reddit posts found in the anti illegal alien subreddit.

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Her tone is patronizing and condescending. I'm always suspect of individuals who see the world in black and white; it shows a lack of awareness and flexibility. Her responses are well-written, but do not take into account that the reality of illegal immigration has changed. It has changed because the public now knows that an illegal immigrant's conduct can be and is affected by his or her limitations in society.

Every "dreamer" (ridiculous term, really) that has been able to lead a productive life has done so because the opportunities needed for it were available to him or her at the right time. As with many things in life, it is a matter of timing. Had the president not exploited immigration for political gain for years and had decided to pilot DACA from the beginning and not impose arbitrary age limits, @dvrenom, @IamAman, me, and countless others would have been able to move forward with other aspects of our lives.

The economy of immigrants' labor - holding a green card or not - and the consumption that comes along with it powers a large sector of this country's productivity. And that's a fact. It's the same all over the world where the human resources of the south create wealth in the north. We are caught in it.

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I will let this response be my last on this forum. This has been a total waste of time. I now realize some of you are so full of anger and hatred towards the citizens of this country, blaming us for your dilemma, that you will never embrace this country as your own. We will always be the enemy. I have never had a problem admitting a mistake. I realize now it was a mistake to come here, because some of you can't see beyond your hate.

I stated from the beginning my purpose for posting here. I had no ulterior motives. I am not a member of Alipac or any other organization. I am simply a concerned citizen. I chose the moniker "Enough" because I have indeed had enough of the status quo and unabated illegal immigration. Had I something to hide, I have enough intelligence to have chosen a less conspicuous moniker.

I wasn't going to return here. But, was hopeful that at least one member would understand my intent. Apparently not. I was not always a supporter of the DREAM Act. However, over time, I realized it was wrong to blame those who truly had no choice in the matter. I can't consider myself a Christian if I can't have compassion for the innocent. God softened my heart.

I have no reason to fabricate anything. The info I shared regarding my marriage is true. If not for legal immigration, I would not have him or my wonderful son. I am thankful he was welcomed into this country. He's a trauma surgeon, so he has most definitely been an asset. His skills have saved many lives. I am very proud of him.

Clearly, nothing I say will change the hearts and minds of some on this forum. You will continue to believe I am a troll, Republican plant, or whatever suits your purpose. I can't change that, nor will I try.

I could have easily pretended to support CIR. But, then I would not have been true to myself. I stated my reasons for opposition. If anything I posted was a lie, you had every opportunity to refute with credible evidence. You didn't. Rather, you chose to attack me.

I will not return to this forum, and will advise all I know to do the same. Why should anyone try to understand your plight or point of view, when you clearly have no desire to understand ours? There are two sides to every issue. Without honest dialogue it will continue to be "us vs. them." Partisanship accomplishes nothing.

Flame all you want. I have nothing further to say. If the DREAM Act continues to be your pipe dream, you will have no one to blame but yourselves. I tried to help you understand the mistakes being made by your group. It wasn't appreciated. In your mind, one is either for all or against all. Have it your way.

Goodbye and God bless.

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lol this is comical, just get out.

In all seriousness though. I don't see anyone "hating" on you. You need to take a break from watching Faux news program, all the hatred and fear mongering in that station will mess with your head causing you to become delusional thinking that everyone hates you and blames you for everything.

O'bummer

So where do you think Obama's birthplace is?

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Here is something that I always found hilarious that american christians like to say

"This is OUR land and all aliens NEED to follow its rules!!"

Doesnt the bible talk about the conquest of Canaan ? Where ancient jews entered foreign land, broke their rules and took it by force?


No one is kicking you out, at least I am not, you can continue and educate us on this hate you have towards us while pretending to be really compassionate, and post here. Believe it or not, you have EVERY right to feel the way you do and I do understand it from your point of view, as an american (not of he content youve posted). We entered here unwanted, or overstayed our welcome, we destroyed your country, I mean, trillions of dollars of debt cause by 15 million illegal aliens, wow I am surprise there isnt a genocide going on.

We took your precious desperately wanted jobs picking vegetables, and while reports show illegal aliens are paying taxes, clearly the fact that this country is in debt because of us show we are obviously not contributing at all. Every and all dreamer here is just an adult not taking responsibilities for his actions and should fix his status in this perfect immigration system that existed when your ancestors arrived here and just come here legally. Its as easy as pie.

Not mentioned that there isnt enough room in the vastly unpopulated areas of the country to support more people.

You have every right to say ENOUGH to this, you contributed more to this country by being born and just by that alone, than every dreamer combined.

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This a battle that will never be won with"enough" I would just ignore her... now on to why don't you illegals try to get legal.. come on hop to doing that pronto ! I tip my hat to those who responded to the troll but come on don't feed or give any more ammunition to her.. her mind already has enough .

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I held back on asking her age.

Why? Because she accused some of immaturity, lack of class, impulsiveness, etc., which is subjective when talking about perceptions. However, if this woman is older; older than most here; as in she could be the mother of some of the youngest members on DAP, then it was her turn to be above petty back and forth.

Although, maybe the thought of this site being hacked hadn't entered her mind, and realizing the possiblity of exposing one's identity, she typed her way out. The headline "Surgeon's wife joins DAP to challenge 'Dreamers' ungrateful ways" would probably seem inappropriate. I disagreed with her; but, she was exercising her freedom of speech. But, to join this site and expect the very people you are demeaning to agree with you that they are less because of national origin is wishful thinking, imo.

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Actually, I'm one of those anonymous people watching forums like this. I was actually a huge supporter of the dream act, until I started seeing some of the protests out there. Now I share this site with anyone who thinks of dreamers who just want a chance, so they can see that's not the case. You want a chance...and a tax funded college education, free medical care for you and your parents who created this nightmare for Americans to deal with, and anything free you can get your hands on. You claim to be afraid to go home to your actual country, and then go on vacation there the second you get DACA-even thing you're not supposed to leave the country for vacation (thanks Dream 9 for showing that side to America).

Next time you see a poll that says most Americans think illegal immigrants are ruining the American way of life, go back and read this thread. American don't have an issue with immigrants, they have an issue with people who sneak in, refuse to speak English, take attention away from their own kids education because the illegal children don't speak English, and send the money they make out of the country in the form of remittances. You can convince yourself people that have issues with illegals are racist, but that's just the victim mentality Americans are sick of. We have too many people like that already, why would we allow more people like that stay? Let's not forget over 50% of Hispanics think illegal immigrants are destroying the American way of life, but I guess they're just racist too?

And you get mad at Americans for begrudging illegal immigration, and then you get mad that the children crossing the border might get something you consider yours-even though it's not yours to take or give.

But thanks for the thread that I can share with more people who think of the "dreamers" are a victim-you do more to defeat your cause than those that oppose you ever could. You're like the people who demand immigration reform, while carrying Mexican flags and signs in Spanish. No one one has to protest your cause, you take care of defeating yourself.

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@anonposter:

There are a lot of asylum-seekers who go back to their countries of origin as long as is safe for them to leave and return to the States. 99% aren't Mexican illegals. Stats available to you here:

http://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fil...fa_fr_2012.pdf

And to learn how individuals apply for asylum*:
http://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/re...-united-states

*Includes Cubans who get a free pass, free housing, free healthcare, and monetary resources and become Green Card holders within ONE year, without anything required of them. Florida is rife with Medicare, Medicaid fraud and abuse.

Yes, people should speak English. It's harder to learn as an adult. If you join Twitter where we can see who you are, you will likely find a lot of like-minded individuals. You will also see a lot of DREAM activists "agitating" for things. There you and they can officially go on record and support your respective views. Even as an anonymous user, your IP address can be traced.

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Hey welcome back Enough!!

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Please feel free to share it. Nothing better than an imbecile gon' imbecile. Mirin' your passion though.