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libertarian1776 02-10-2017 08:36 PM

Re: Routine Ice raid but target criteria has changed.
 
im trynna survive out here solo..lol my parents already got deported under obama and bush im sorry, i should be more empathetic to you guys, i totally feel what you guys are going through.

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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 603060)
Some users mentality has gone solo

"I have DACA I will be okay" the truth is we all have family at risk. All it takes is for them to be at the wrong place at the wrong time


ceaguila 02-10-2017 09:03 PM

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For reference, Aug. 2015 ICE raid in LA detained 244 immigrants in 4-day sweep. This week ICE says 160 over 5-days via @aflores

Marin said the operation was similar to one ICE conducted in SoCal last year that resulted in 200 people being detained

pink 02-10-2017 09:52 PM

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This is true, tho.....august 2015 was not 2 weeks after Obama was inaugurated. We can't deny that optics wise Trump is itching more than most to round people up.

Smooth 02-10-2017 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MIdreamer (Post 603007)
I can't believe DACA is still standing. There has to be a good reason that we are not targeted.

That cat avatar giving us good luck.

g33k 02-10-2017 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 603074)
That cat avatar giving us good luck.

Or your white guy avatar lmao

RudyRude 02-10-2017 10:34 PM

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Here's my realistic and pessimistic two cents of this issue.

Some of you guys need to start becoming way more realistic. The truth is DACA will be most 99% likely to be repealed in favor of legislations like Bridge Act, Enlist Act, etc. which would ultimately fail because they would die in Congress and there will be a battle between the Democrats and the Republicans over them. The hard truth is there will be no amnesty not in this time frame, unfortunately, maybe in the next 2 decades. I can see the MAVINI program succeed only for a little bit, though, and you can always marry but do it legitimately.

Anyways, living as an undocument immigrant is not worth it. It's having your youth wasted and having to rely on two political parties who never get things done to decide your future. It will be a shit hole from here on and the USA won't be as friendly as it was before. If you're out of options, young and have a college degree, please consider moving to Europe or some first world country like Australia and Canada, at least you won't be treated as a second class citizen. The truth is you all deserve much better.

MIdreamer 02-10-2017 10:38 PM

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Trump can end DACA on day one or when he signed the EO to ban Muslims, the fact that it is still standing right now mean something. I wouldn't give up all hope just yet. There is no need to wait anymore since Sessions is already confirmed. The longer DACA stands, the better chance we have.

libertarian1776 02-10-2017 10:44 PM

Re: Routine Ice raid but target criteria has changed.
 
nice way to leave a first impression. you know nothing, jon snow.


Quote:

Originally Posted by RudyRude (Post 603077)
Here's my realistic and pessimistic two cents of this issue.

Some of you guys need to start becoming way more realistic. The truth is DACA will be most 99% likely to be repealed in favor of legislations like Bridge Act, Enlist Act, etc. which would ultimately fail because they would die in Congress and there will be a battle between the Democrats and the Republicans over them. The hard truth is there will be no amnesty not in this time frame, unfortunately, maybe in the next 2 decades. I can see the MAVINI program succeed only for a little bit, though, and you can always marry but do it legitimately.

Anyways, living as an undocument immigrant is not worth it. It's having your youth wasted and having to rely on two political parties who never get things done to decide your future. It will be a shit hole from here on and the USA won't be as friendly as it was before. If you're out of options, young and have a college degree, please consider moving to Europe or some first world country like Australia and Canada, at least you won't be treated as a second class citizen. The truth is you all deserve much better.


2Face 02-10-2017 10:46 PM

Re: Routine Ice raid but target criteria has changed.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 603060)
Some users mentality has gone solo

"I have DACA I will be okay" the truth is we all have family at risk. All it takes is for them to be at the wrong place at the wrong time

Dude you've been saying that every day for the past year and nothing has happened. Donald Trump was elected on 11/7/2016. You sound like a rusted old car on a cold winter morning.

Elmexicano 02-10-2017 10:50 PM

Re: Routine Ice raid but target criteria has changed.
 
A simple memo from DHS can end DACA. They're keeping DACA alive for some reason.

2Face 02-10-2017 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmexicano (Post 603081)
A simple memo from DHS can end DACA. They're keeping DACA alive for some reason.

This is the truth. Everyone is aware of it. The fact that they have not touched DACA yet is a very big indication that they have a favorable opinion towards Dreamers. Stay away from misdemeanors/trouble/felonies and we are good.

JohannBernoulli1667 02-10-2017 11:22 PM

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I do not know, the only logical explanation I have is that Obama cut a deal with Trump. Perhaps Obama's classy transition effort reflected part of a deal that he and Trump made. I mean to this date, Trump talks good about Obama as a person, he even claims that he thinks Obama loves him. If you have noticed, Obama has remained pretty quiet on the recent issues.

JohannBernoulli1667 02-11-2017 12:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LePepe (Post 603094)
What kind of deal is it that they are asking TSA agents to figure out who is undocumented?

I really do not know... It is just my own speculation based on DACA still being alive.



DHS already knows we are undocumented, happened when we signed up.

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-11-2017 12:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 603080)
Dude you've been saying that every day for the past year and nothing has happened. Donald Trump was elected on 11/7/2016. You sound like a rusted old car on a cold winter morning.


You're telling people haven't been deported ?!? What a loyal subject of Trump you are ;)

RudyRude 02-11-2017 12:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 603080)
Dude you've been saying that every day for the past year and nothing has happened. Donald Trump was elected on 11/7/2016. You sound like a rusted old car on a cold winter morning.

Dude, if you honestly believe DACA won't be repealed in the next few weeks or months, then you're delusional.

RudyRude 02-11-2017 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 603079)
nice way to leave a first impression. you know nothing, jon snow.

It will end up just like the Dream Act incidents which began in 2001 and failed every year they were introduced. You're a little bit too optimistic.

eva02 02-11-2017 12:15 AM

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Everyone love to Cali they are about to become a sanctuary state!

JohannBernoulli1667 02-11-2017 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 603099)
Everyone love to Cali they are about to become a sanctuary state!

This will not stop immigrants from being detained at their homes.. or raids... That is the problem right now.

MIdreamer 02-11-2017 12:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LePepe (Post 603094)
What kind of deal is it that they are asking TSA agents to figure out who is undocumented?

Source on TSA order to figure out undocumented people?

libertarian1776 02-11-2017 01:27 AM

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not optimistic but pragmatic. just doesnt make sense from a policy standpoint to shove people back in the shadows. when the govt gives something its really hard to take back. thats why they are trying so hard to replace ACA. and they will kick the can down the road with daca with a band aid solution.

do i think we will get USC? nah. legalization? long shot. but there will be relief. im not saying the trump admn is sympathetic to dreamers.. hell nah. they are using us as leverage for negotiations to get something in teturn.

i just know this mayne. i go 24/7 with this shit. i aint got 2 degrees in government and policy for nothing, i experienced how policy works when i worked for the house of representatives. i have no stake in this... my family already got deported under bush and obama. if it doesnt work out here ill admit i was wrong, i can make it anywhere after what ive been thru here.


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Originally Posted by RudyRude (Post 603098)
It will end up just like the Dream Act incidents which began in 2001 and failed every year they were introduced. You're a little bit too optimistic.


eva02 02-11-2017 01:35 AM

Re: Routine Ice raid but target criteria has changed.
 
21 days of Trump and no repeal. This EO is easy to completely repeal... This makes me believe it won't be a full repeal.

libertarian1776 02-11-2017 01:47 AM

Re: Routine Ice raid but target criteria has changed.
 
he literally had the daca repeal EO in front of him on Jan 25th. he couldve repealed it then... but now they are still accepting applications and renewals even from people with final orders.

but.. there is rumor that he is gonna roll out another set of immigration eos next week cuz he lost so badly on the muslim ban. i just hope he doesnt take it out on us that he lost bigly in the courts.

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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 603106)
21 days of Trump and no repeal. This EO is easy to completely repeal... This makes me believe it won't be a full repeal.


tf2legend 02-11-2017 02:36 AM

Re: Routine Ice raid but target criteria has changed.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RudyRude (Post 603097)
Dude, if you honestly believe DACA won't be repealed in the next few weeks or months, then you're delusional.

DACA will be repealed eventually but I just hope they do it after they pass some legislation.

tf2legend 02-11-2017 02:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 603105)
not optimistic but pragmatic. just doesnt make sense from a policy standpoint to shove people back in the shadows. when the govt gives something its really hard to take back. thats why they are trying so hard to replace ACA. and they will kick the can down the road with daca with a band aid solution.

do i think we will get USC? nah. legalization? long shot.
but there will be relief. im not saying the trump admn is sympathetic to dreamers.. hell nah. they are using us as leverage for negotiations to get something in teturn.

i just know this mayne. i go 24/7 with this shit. i aint got 2 degrees in government and policy for nothing, i experienced how policy works when i worked for the house of representatives. i have no stake in this... my family already got deported under bush and obama. if it doesnt work out here ill admit i was wrong, i can make it anywhere after what ive been thru here.

If CIR passes we'll probably be the only group that will get a path to citizenship. That's fair no? Only 750,000 will get a path. I'm sure some Republicans will accept that.

Everyone else will get what we have right now with a travel permit/ probation etc..

made4u 02-11-2017 11:42 AM

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This forum and curent events are like a roller coaster ride......realistically we dont know whats going to happen

MAEZX 02-11-2017 11:53 AM

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Some people on this forum be like

http://www.themarysue.com/wp-content...ic-Im-N7mp.png

IamAman 02-11-2017 11:58 AM

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DACA is a bargaining chip... He's holding on to it until he needs to get something...like his SCOTUS pick.

I'm just amused that people on this forum still have faith in Der Fuhrer. "He hasn't repealed DACA yet so he must like us! I bet congress is going to pass a law for us...hell, maybe CIR!" Meanwhile they're going around rounding up anybody they can catch without mercy.

made4u 02-11-2017 12:14 PM

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He said in his campaign that hes going to go after wall street....then goes and dismantling all the regulations obama put in place "to help out his friends" i personally dont believe a word he says

RudyRude 02-11-2017 12:15 PM

Re: Routine Ice raid but target criteria has changed.
 
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Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 603134)
DACA is a bargaining chip... He's holding on to it until he needs to get something...like his SCOTUS pick.

I'm just amused that people on this forum still have faith in Der Fuhrer. "He hasn't repealed DACA yet so he must like us! I bet congress is going to pass a law for us...hell, maybe CIR!" Meanwhile they're going around rounding up anybody they can catch without mercy.

They are blue pulled (yes, Matrix reference). They'd rather live in state of ignorant bliss and use coping mechanisms to prevent them from accepting the hard truth. They also have a superman complex, "Oh, it's not gonna happen bro, don't worry the Bridge Act will pass". But, don't worry once all the EAD expires when DACA is repealed, they will wish they followed my advice.

jaylove16 02-11-2017 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RudyRude (Post 603140)
They are blue pulled (yes, Matrix reference). They'd rather live in state of ignorant bliss and use coping mechanisms to prevent them from accepting the hard truth. They also have a superman complex, "Oh, it's not gonna happen bro, don't worry the Bridge Act will pass". But, don't worry once all the EAD expires when DACA is repealed, they will wish they followed my advice.

What's your advice? Leave? Some of us don't have that option. I don't understand why some of you with pessimistic views like you even visit this forum. Don't even bother coming here and leave the country already. What's the point?

RudyRude 02-11-2017 01:15 PM

Re: Routine Ice raid but target criteria has changed.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 603134)
DACA is a bargaining chip... He's holding on to it until he needs to get something...like his SCOTUS pick.

I'm just amused that people on this forum still have faith in Der Fuhrer. "He hasn't repealed DACA yet so he must like us! I bet congress is going to pass a law for us...hell, maybe CIR!" Meanwhile they're going around rounding up anybody they can catch without mercy.

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Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 603145)
What's your advice? Leave? Some of us don't have that option. I don't understand why some of you with pessimistic views like you even visit this forum. Don't even bother coming here and leave the country already. What's the point?

I'm just trying to teach these people that you shouldn't get ahead of yourselves. This is going to be one hell of a ride and you should brace yourself instead of deluding yourself into thinking everything is going to be okay. I'm in the same situation, as well, and I come from Haiti, a 3rd world country that has deteriorated since the earthquake of 2010. But, even then, I have accepted the fact that I may be deported 1 year from now and there's nothing I can do about it. It's like accepting that you have a terminal illness or death, however, this situation is far from that, lol.

jaylove16 02-11-2017 01:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RudyRude (Post 603147)
I'm just trying to teach these people that you shouldn't get ahead of yourselves. This is going to be one hell of a ride and you should brace yourself instead of deluding yourself into thinking everything is going to be okay. I'm in the same situation, as well, and I come from Haiti, a 3rd world country that has deteriorated since the earthquake of 2010. But, even then, I have accepted the fact that I may be deported 1 year from now and there's nothing I can do about it. It's like accepting that you have a terminal illness or death, however, this situation is far from that, lol.

We all have different mechanisms of coping. If that's your way of doing it then fine . However, don't belittle or knock others who have an optimistic point of view . Sometimes hope is all we have to make it through this life , it's a powerful tool for many of us dreamers .

RudyRude 02-11-2017 01:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 603148)
We all have different mechanisms of coping. If that's your way of doing it then fine . However, don't belittle or knock others who have an optimistic point of view . Sometimes hope is all we have to make it through this life , it's a powerful tool for many of us dreamers .

"Hope is not a strategy, we must all have a plan in place." Even I have a plan when I go back, I may just apply for asylum in other countries since I have nothing in my home country. we do not even have 24/7 electricity like other countries.

jaylove16 02-11-2017 01:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RudyRude (Post 603150)
"Hope is not a strategy, we must all have a plan in place." Even I have a plan when I go back, I may just apply for asylum in other countries since I have nothing in my home country. we do not even have 24/7 electricity like other countries.

Look you can have a plan and still have hope . Also, your plan of applying for asylum in another country is basically fantasy . Sorry to break it to you lol. So in the end your strategy might as well be hope .

RudyRude 02-11-2017 01:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 603151)
Look you can have a plan and still have hope . Also, your plan of applying for asylum in another country is basically fantasy . Sorry to break it to you lol. So in the end your strategy might as well be hope .

Invalid, I've had several relatives who successfully migrated to Brazil, Mexico and even Canada through that way albeit it wasn't an immediate process. Haiti is a very rough place man. This plan is way more realistic than waiting for 2 laws that will never pass.

If I were applying in Europe or Dominican Republic, then yes, it would be fantasy, haha.

Anyways, I see dreamers with college degrees or they come from countries that aren't even third world, man, I envy them so much haha, you guys have so much opportunities, don't be afraid if you're in that situation.

Spock 02-11-2017 01:56 PM

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Quote:

The pessimist looks down and hits his head. The optimist looks up and loses his footing. The realist looks forward and adjusts his path accordingly.
you go matrix i'll go walking dead

2MoreYears 02-11-2017 02:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RudyRude (Post 603153)
Invalid, I've had several relatives who successfully migrated to Brazil, Mexico and even Canada through that way albeit it wasn't an immediate process. Haiti is a very rough place man. This plan is way more realistic than waiting for 2 laws that will never pass.

If I were applying in Europe or Dominican Republic, then yes, it would be fantasy, haha.

Anyways, I see dreamers with college degrees or they come from countries that aren't even third world, man, I envy them so much haha, you guys have so much opportunities, don't be afraid if you're in that situation.

Self deport already then.

RudyRude 02-11-2017 02:37 PM

Re: Routine Ice raid but target criteria has changed.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 603155)
Self deport already then.

Not until my EAD expires on May 2018 and the renewals are impossible due to DACA being repeleaed is done which won't take that long.

2MoreYears 02-11-2017 02:45 PM

Re: Routine Ice raid but target criteria has changed.
 
Sounds like you won't be applying for BRIDGE Act if it passes. Good luck in Haiti.

RudyRude 02-11-2017 02:47 PM

Re: Routine Ice raid but target criteria has changed.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 603155)
Self deport already then.

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Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 603157)
Sounds like you won't be applying for BRIDGE Act if it passes. Good luck in Haiti.

It will not pass due to lack of sufficient amount of GOP co-sponsors. It will end up just like the Dream Act which has failed to pass since 2001.


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