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jaylove16 07-13-2017 05:22 PM

Re: Trump on #DACA
 
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Originally Posted by legendver2 (Post 618635)
But do we believe Kelly or Trump on this final decision bit?

You know Trump likes for people to know he's the one calling the shots. With an important political issue like this that he personally cares about, I'm thinking he'll make that decision. It's hard to believe, but for some weird reason I think he actually has a soft spot for dreamers.

Got_Daca 07-13-2017 05:27 PM

Re: Trump on #DACA
 
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Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 618639)
You know Trump likes for people to know he's the one calling the shots. With an important political issue like this that he personally cares about, I'm thinking he'll make that decision. It's hard to believe, but for some weird reason I think he actually has a soft spot for dreamers.

After Trump kept DACA, his poll numbers still holding tight.

Trump wants to patch his image up with Hispanics.

Nothing to lose on Trumps part if he keeps DACA.

His daughter Ivanka, his billionaire friend want to keep DACA alive.

dado123 07-13-2017 05:43 PM

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On another issue related to immigration, Trump said that he, and not subordinate officials, would make the decision about what to do with President Obama's program that shields more than 750,000 people from deportation who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children.

"It’s a decision that I make, and it’s a decision that’s very very hard to make. I really understand the situation now," Trump said.

"I understand the situation very well. What I’d like to do is a comprehensive immigration plan. But our country and political forces are not ready yet," he added.

Trump's Homeland Security secretary, John Kelly, had suggested in remarks Wednesday that Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions might make the final decision about the program, known as DACA, if it is challenged in court.

Trump's remarks appeared to suggest that he would not delegate the decision to Sessions.


http://www.latimes.com/politics/wash...htmlstory.html

1:10 p.m.: This post was updated to include Trump's remark about DACA.

Sound's like Trump is calling the shots, haha.

Ianus 07-13-2017 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dado123 (Post 618646)
Sound's like Trump is calling the shots, haha.

Better him than Sessions...any day.

Nycgal111 07-13-2017 05:51 PM

Re: Trump on #DACA
 
Only good thing you can say about nepotism in Trump administration is that at least Ivanka and Jared aren't racists and anti immigrants like Bannon and Miller.

eRkah 07-13-2017 05:51 PM

Re: Trump on #DACA
 
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Originally Posted by Erik1421 (Post 618592)
Deep down he wants to keep DACA, but he knows he can use us as bargaining chips.

After everything that's been happening with this administration and Trump, you cannot possibly believe that you know what he wants deep down. What he wants 'deep down' changes by the minute. But I think you're right that he's kept it as a bargaining chip

How is anyone even surprised by his statements? it's the same as with everything else, ambiguous enough that he can chance his position later on, one way or the other, depending only on what benefits him

Copper 07-13-2017 05:54 PM

Re: Trump on #DACA
 
Pretty much what I have been predicting since the news came out, no one knows what's going to happen with DACA, but there still hope.

2Face 07-13-2017 06:02 PM

Re: Trump on #DACA
 
What he is saying is simple. He's saying that its pretty much impossible for this fucked up do nothing Congress to pass any damn bills. Now Trump realizes that the establishment is much stronger than he is. He touted himself as a big "deal maker". Now he sees how tough its going to get this Congress to pass bills. Democrats and Republicans keep fighting each other and never compromise.

legendver2 07-13-2017 06:05 PM

Re: Trump on #DACA
 
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 618655)
What he is saying is simple. He's saying that its pretty much impossible for this fucked up do nothing Congress to pass any damn bills. Now Trump realizes that the establishment is much stronger than he is. He touted himself as a big "deal maker". Now he sees how tough its going to get this Congress to pass bills. Democrats and Republicans keep fighting each other and never compromise.

But what's that mean for us?

2Face 07-13-2017 06:18 PM

Re: Trump on #DACA
 
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Originally Posted by legendver2 (Post 618657)
But what's that mean for us?

It basically means that there's a good chance he doesn't intend to defend DACA if the AG's sue because of that fucker Jefferson Sessions. He did a great job in keeping it alive and there's no doubt he wants it to remain alive before anyone starts attacking my ass. I was 100% right on that. Its up to Congress at this point. He has shown he isn't very good with "cutting deals." He can't even get the fucking Health Care bill through Congress. No fuckin way "Immigration Reform" is happening.

Copper 07-13-2017 06:24 PM

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I think worse case scenario President Trump will do is say "look, we won't be accepting any more new applications" and just leave the DACA program in place for now. My gut feeling is that the lawsuit will be dismissed because DACA is constitutional and remember that DAPA was blocked on other legal grounds not because of its constitutionality.

Swim19 07-13-2017 06:25 PM

Re: Trump on #DACA
 
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 618662)
It basically means that there's a good chance he doesn't intend to defend DACA if the AG's sue because of that fucker Jefferson Sessions. He did a great job in keeping it alive and there's no doubt he wants it to remain alive before anyone starts attacking my ass. I was 100% right on that. Its up to Congress at this point. He has shown he isn't very good with "cutting deals." He can't even get the fucking Health Care bill through Congress. No fuckin way "Immigration Reform" is happening.

I'll give him credit for not ending DACA immediately, but that's where it ends because there's still a lot Trump can do.

Some examples;
1) Force his AG to defend DACA
2) Come out in support of DACA
3) Come out in support of BRIDGE Act or RACA
4) Push the Republicans behind the scenes to pass BRIDGE Act or RACA
5) Start negotiations for wall funding for BRIDGE Act or RACA

2Face 07-13-2017 06:27 PM

Re: Trump on #DACA
 
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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 618665)
I'll give him credit for not ending DACA immediately, but that's where it ends because there's still a lot Trump can do.

Some examples;
1) Force his AG to defend DACA
2) Come out in support of DACA
3) Come out in support of BRIDGE Act or RACA
4) Push the Republicans behind the scenes to pass BRIDGE Act or RACA
5) Start negotiations for wall funding for BRIDGE Act or RACA

Well if he doesn't do any of those than he is truly a fucktard and he is going to pay for it by making immigrants come out in numbers to vote for the Democrat in 2020 (something they didn't conveniently do for Hillary and we are now paying for that). Trumps gotta find the balls and come out and actually make an effort to stop this lawsuit because even his base now is starting to become sympathetic about us. He's gotta fight back Sessions. Sessions is the main person standing in between us and DACA.

Those things in the list though. He has already done number 2 in a way but I think you mean like hold a rally which is never going to happen lol. But the rest like I said he is caving to the establishment. Look at the health care mess going on right now.

jaylove16 07-13-2017 06:29 PM

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https://www.dallasnews.com/news/poli...ration-backing

Can someone post the text of this article? I run out of complimentary views lol

Gnome 07-13-2017 06:34 PM

Re: Trump on #DACA
 
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Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 618667)
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/poli...ration-backing

Can someone post the text of this article? I run out of complimentary views lol


WASHINGTON —President Donald Trump and Department of Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly in the past two days have declined to say whether or not they would support the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, rousing concerns among Democratic lawmakers.
While in Paris on Thursday, the president was asked whether the Justice Department will influence DACA's future.
"It's a decision that I make and it's a decision that's very, very hard to make. I really understand the situation now," Trump said. "I understand the situation very well. What I'd like to do is a comprehensive immigration plan. But our country and political forces are not ready yet."
He added, "There are two sides of a story. It's always tough."
Kelly told the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Wednesday that he personally supports DACA, but declined to say whether the administration would defend it in court.
“Congress is the source of a long-term solution for DACA,” said DHS spokesman David Lapan. Kelly departed the closed meeting without commenting to reporters. “Right now, there’s no plan to rescind or change what we’re doing with DACA.”
Caucus members were concerned by Kelly's refusal to say if the administration would defend the program.
“From his point of view, the attorneys that he’s spoken with both inside the department and outside, most of them felt that DACA as it exists is not legally sustainable,” Lapan said.
“I asked the secretary very directly whether the administration would defend DACA and he couldn't give me a conclusive answer,” Rep. Joaquin Castro, a San Antonio Democrat and CHC member, told The Dallas Morning News.
Castro and other lawmakers said that Kelly mentioned a meeting he had with Attorney General Jeff Sessions about DACA but did not disclose details.
“Based on the attorney general’s history legislatively, I expect that he won’t defend DACA,” Castro said.
DACA background
DACA was created by President Barack Obama in 2012. It gives unauthorized immigrants who came to the country as children a temporary, two-year relief from deportation and allows them to work legally in the country.


Nearly 800,000 people have been approved for the program since its implementation, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. Per the Migration Policy Institute, there were 271,000 DACA-eligible individuals living in Texas in 2016.
Last month, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and a 10-state coalition threatened to sue the federal government over the program if it is not rescinded by September.
“We have to prepare for the worst and get ready to fight mass deportation,” Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., said in a statement after the hearing. “[Kelly] said that the future of DACA is up to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, America’s leading advocate against immigration, so Kelly was basically telling us DACA is facing a death sentence.”
Lapan said he didn’t know if Kelly had urged the president or other members of the administration to go along with his support of DACA. He confirmed but would not comment on Kelly’s meeting with Sessions on DACA.
Democrats dissatisfied
Sen. Bob Menendez, D-N.J., expressed dissatisfaction with the meeting, disagreeing with Kelly’s assessment of DACA as untenable in the courts.
“When it went to the Supreme Court, it was a 4-4 tie and therefore nothing was decided, and therefore I’m not sure that that legal view is the prevailing legal view,” Menendez said. “He basically was suggesting that if it can’t be sustained legally, that then there would be a challenge to these individuals.”
Members were also shocked when Kelly said he was unaware of any pending legislation codifying DACA, CHC member Rep. Nanette Barragan, D-Calif., said. “There was quite a combination of laughter and appalled shock in the room from everybody, who said ‘we will give you some.’ ”
Lapan confirmed lawmaker accounts that Kelly agreed to consider but did not commit to their requests to publicly support DACA legislation.
“We’ve made the case that having a partner would make a big difference in getting our Republican colleagues not just to talk about it but to the table so that we can vote,” said CHC chairwoman Rep. Michelle Lujan Grisham, D-N.M.
“If this administration wants to protect dreamers, let’s see them do that. They stood with Paul Ryan for Kate’s Law and sanctuary cities [legislation],” she added. “We would like to see them stand with us for protecting dreamers and move that needle.”
Barragan said that they hope to arrange and invite Kelly to a news conference before the August recess. The BRIDGE Act, a bill sponsored by Rep. Mike Coffman, R-Colo., that would protect DACA recipients against deportation, already has bipartisan support, she added.

Swim19 07-13-2017 06:55 PM

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The Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA, allowed undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children*to stay and receive work permits, providing they don't commit any disqualifying crimes.*

The legal challenges are based on claims that Obama lacked authority to grant "amnesty" to DREAMers.

Stephen Legomsky, a senior counselor at Homeland Security under Obama, said the former president was well within his legal rights when he created DACA. But Legomsky doubted the program will survive because its fate will be decided by a conservative judge in Texas, a conservative appeals court in Louisiana and the conservative-leaning Supreme Court.

"It really hurts me to say this, but the chances of it surviving are very slim," said*Legomsky, now a professor emeritus at the Washington University School of Law.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rts/475296001/

libertarian1776 07-13-2017 07:24 PM

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ouch... there goes the neighborhood. sad!


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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 618670)


2MoreYears 07-13-2017 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Swim19 View Post
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rts/475296001/
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Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 618673)
ouch... there goes the neighborhood. sad!

holy shit! ;(

libertarian1776 07-13-2017 07:44 PM

Re: Trump on #DACA
 
dont let this take all the accomplishments you guys achieved the last 5 years!!!

yall are DREAMERs baby, if you guys can make it here, yall can make it anywhere!

love yall, make the most of your remaining days.

we may have our disagreements but still.. at the end of day we are a family.
#DREAMERFam

DanielPL 07-13-2017 07:45 PM

Re: Trump on #DACA
 
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Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 618676)
dont let this take all the accomplishments you guys achieved the last 5 years!!!

yall are DREAMERs baby, if you guys can make it here, yall can make it anywhere!

love yall, make the most of our remaining days.

we may have our disagreements but still..
#DREAMERFam

Come on bro, don't think like that Daca will remain in september just watch.

2MoreYears 07-13-2017 07:48 PM

Re: Trump on #DACA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 618673)
ouch... there goes the neighborhood. sad!

Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 618676)
dont let this take all the accomplishments you guys achieved the last 5 years!!!

yall are DREAMERs baby, if you guys can make it here, yall can make it anywhere!

love yall, make the most of your remaining days.

we may have our disagreements but still.. at the end of day we are a family.
#DREAMERFam

Luckily I received a letter to renew my DL for another 4 years, mailed it last week. Plan b is to lay low, keep a low profile and stay out of trouble. Hopefully, after 3 years a new president/congress give people who were DACAers some sort of relief. Also, I will propose to my employer I become an independent contractor, this way when I AOS in the future I don't have any problems.

Long shot but that's all I have, Hope.

Copper 07-13-2017 08:01 PM

Re: Trump on #DACA
 
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Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 618678)
Luckily I received a letter to renew my DL for another 4 years, mailed it last week. Plan b is to lay low, keep a low profile and stay out of trouble. Hopefully, after 3 years a new president/congress give people who were DACAers some sort of relief. Also, I will propose to my employer I become an independent contractor, this way when I AOS in the future I don't have any problems.

Long shot but that's all I have, Hope.

Here is the issue with that. The REAL ID ACT. I know certain states are still lacking behind the REAL ID ACT but once that's enacted everyone will have to re apply for new licenses. The new deadline is 2020 and from what I read that was the last extension for everyone to be on board and their old licenses will no longer be valid, regardless of its experitation date.

Fabiodreamer21 07-13-2017 08:03 PM

Re: Trump on #DACA
 
This can not be the end :( . What about families, people attending college, business owners, etc. Ending DACA does not solve the problem but it makes it worse. At this point, I just feel nervous and depressed that it might all be over.

2MoreYears 07-13-2017 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Copper (Post 618681)
Here is the issue with that. The REAL ID ACT. I know certain states are still lacking behind the REAL ID ACT but once that's enacted everyone will have to re apply for new licenses. The new deadline is 2020 and from what I read that was the last extension for everyone to be on board and their old licenses will no longer be valid, regardless of its experitation date.

I'm in the system as a "normal" person.

Copper 07-13-2017 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 618684)
I'm in the system as a "normal" person.

It does not matter, every single person in your state will have to re-apply for a license again and proof that their eligible for it. It's a law that was passed by congress after the terrorist attacks except now they will no longer extend it and have set an official deadline for 2020 for every state to comply.

2MoreYears 07-13-2017 08:13 PM

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The state I live in already complies with the real id act.

Copper 07-13-2017 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 618686)
The state I live in already complies with the real id act.

If you got a license for 5 years is most likely that they are not and are only listed as "in process". I was as excited as you were when I got my 5 year license and when I heard about the REAL ID act being enacted I was bummed.

2MoreYears 07-13-2017 08:21 PM

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Nope.

ECW 07-13-2017 08:36 PM

Re: Trump on #DACA
 
I'm just a bit surprise we haven't heard much from congressional leaders Durbin, Ryan, Graham etc.. The ones who can really save us actually. Usually we would hear something substantial from Senator Durbin already, only that one tweet from last week.. Something has to be brewing behind the scenes....

tf2legend 07-13-2017 10:29 PM

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Man both sides need to come to the table, enough with the gridlock!


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