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DA User 04-17-2010 08:21 PM
Re: Immigration reform effort is very much alive says Senator Charles Schumer
 
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Originally Posted by Feenmi (Post 155403)
Never assume anything. And no, the 56 does not include Graham (all but 3 DEMOCRATS would vote yes. That's how I understood it, anyway). And even if it does include Graham, until any other Republican puts their name on the bill, we have nobody but Graham.
It would be easier to convince those 3 demos to vote yes then a Rep don't you think?

So we have 57. We also have Gregg and Patterson, so we are 1 short.

iDream 04-17-2010 08:30 PM
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i think we should just all chill out, before we start counting how many people are really voting on this IMAGINARY BILL.... because honestly, they have yet to present one... so let's just wait it out.. and give it to GOD and just pray that it comes soon... :D

NK74 04-17-2010 08:38 PM
Re: Immigration reform effort is very much alive says Senator Charles Schumer
 
I said it in the other thread. 56 dems sounds very optimistic regardless of what Reid says.

NK74 04-17-2010 08:58 PM
Re: Immigration reform effort is very much alive says Senator Charles Schumer
 
Also as far as a second Republican is needed to sponsor it, I can see the logic.

Health care is as a consensus position for the Dems as it can get. They also tried to find Republicans to support it but Repubs managed to unite and not allow any defectors while galvanizing their base.

No Dem wants to see a repeat of the health care debate, because everyone is exhausted and the election is so far nearer.

So the need to go to the fight with at least Republicans committed means that it's tough for the Republicans to divide it between partisan lines and you ve got cover against the nativists who are going to come full throttle.

DA User 04-18-2010 12:46 AM
Re: Immigration reform effort is very much alive says Senator Charles Schumer
 
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Originally Posted by NK74 (Post 155407)
Also as far as a second Republican is needed to sponsor it, I can see the logic.

Health care is as a consensus position for the Dems as it can get. They also tried to find Republicans to support it but Repubs managed to unite and not allow any defectors while galvanizing their base.

No Dem wants to see a repeat of the health care debate, because everyone is exhausted and the election is so far nearer.

So the need to go to the fight with at least Republicans committed means that it's tough for the Republicans to divide it between partisan lines and you ve got cover against the nativists who are going to come full throttle.
Exhausted? Are you kidding me? They get paid a very good salary to make the laws of the country.

swordfish 04-18-2010 01:21 AM
Re: Immigration reform effort is very much alive says Senator Charles Schumer
 
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Originally Posted by dreamberry (Post 155394)
A second Republican co sponsor would most likely bring in more votes and it would make it "bipartisan."
it's already a bipartisan; Graham-Schumer.
Having a second republican would be ideal, but don't let the perfect be the enemy of the necessary. The frame time to introduce the bill is very limited & @ the end we'll only have two parties blaming each other for the status quo.

DA User 04-18-2010 01:27 AM
Re: Immigration reform effort is very much alive says Senator Charles Schumer
 
Dems will also take the majority in the Congress again this election.

jin5587 04-18-2010 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 155421)
Dems will also take the majority in the Congress again this election.
What made you think that? I'm asking because many articles I've read said the otherwise.

swordfish 04-18-2010 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 155421)
Dems will also take the majority in the Congress again this election.
Traditionally the presiden'ts party lose seats during a midterm election.
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/elect...on_results.htm

DA User 04-18-2010 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jin5587 (Post 155422)
What made you think that? I'm asking because many articles I've read said the otherwise.
The passage of the HCR.


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