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karega 11-10-2012 01:28 PM

Re: House Speaker Boehner says Obama must lead on immigration reform
 
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Originally Posted by Cloudless (Post 368095)
If the half-Latino George P. Bush doesn't act positively toward immigration, he's not gonna do much better than Rubio, who is 100% Latino. If he is successful by adopting his uncle's (George W. Bush) position on immigration, then we'll be closer to CIR.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/...42643820070629

100% Cuban! The Cubans don't know anything about the immigration struggle.

Ianus 11-10-2012 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 367985)
Very true; I see what you are saying. Now, making the argument that immgiration reform will help improve the economy is difficult because of the unemployment rate; Americans panic when they are reminded that they will be competing against 11 to 12 million productive immigrants in the labor market.

I think that is because those with the loudest voices are always making the same argument.What needs to happen is a reset on the messaging within the GOP along the lines that we're all in this together[which they seem to have at least an interest].The anti-immigrant nutjobs like to argue that 'illegal immigrants' don't pay their fair share OR take away jobs from Citizens and a successful counter to that is if you legalize them they aid our economy by bringing in more revenue for the Government to combat our Debt and Deficit because we need all hands on deck if the undocumented already have jobs.When I looked at the exit polls it mentioned over 60 % of the individuals voting on the Republican side were concerned about the Deficit and we should frame the Immigration debate on the positives it can help in that regard.

DA User 11-10-2012 03:17 PM

Re: House Speaker Boehner says Obama must lead on immigration reform
 
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Originally Posted by MDxOD (Post 367716)
Obama has to fix the economy first

We aren't in a recession. It was over a few months after Obama took office and the unemployment is under 8%.

CIR will improve the economy dramatically by creating jobs and tax revenue.


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Originally Posted by MDxOD (Post 367972)
Why would they prioritize immigration reform over the economy? Immigration reform is not something they will fix overnight. They can work on CIR and implement while there is good improvement to the economy. A penalty component to CIR would also help the economy (i would personally like to see a penalty between 1k-5k), but if youre going to be "documenting" millions of people who are going to be looking for jobs immediately after, it'll help a great deal to have a stable economy.

CIR was a priority in 2008 for McCain and Obama but the Economy tanked,

CIR is something they CAN fix overnight by passing it in the Congress.

I would say $10K minimum. The jobs will create tax revenue and more jobs from the entrepreneurs.

MDxOD 11-10-2012 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 368177)
We aren't in a recession. It was over a few months after Obama took office and the unemployment is under 8%.

CIR will improve the economy dramatically by creating jobs and tax revenue.




CIR was a priority in 2008 for McCain and Obama but the Economy tanked,

CIR is something they CAN fix overnight by passing it in the Congress.

I would say $10K minimum. The jobs will create tax revenue and more jobs from the entrepreneurs.

1) Let the economy "improve dramatically" first. Then use CIR as a means to grow it further. Dont pass the argument that CIR will help the economy get back on track. Thats not going to work.

2) I wouldnt mind the 10k, however i said earlier that it will be a huge burden on people. Getting access to 10k for every family member + lawyer fees etc... will be tough on a lot of people who will have to wait months/years to get papers (imagine if all estimated 11 millionish people applied about the same time).

I think 5k is a better number which a lot more people have access to.

DA User 11-10-2012 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MDxOD (Post 368187)
1) Let the economy "improve dramatically" first. Then use CIR as a means to grow it further. Dont pass the argument that CIR will help the economy get back on track. Thats not going to work.

2) I wouldnt mind the 10k, however i said earlier that it will be a huge burden on people. Getting access to 10k for every family member + lawyer fees etc... will be tough on a lot of people who will have to wait months/years to get papers (imagine if all estimated 11 millionish people applied about the same time).

I think 5k is a better number which a lot more people have access to.

CIR is just as important as the economy. The immigration system has been broken for many years even before the economy took its toll.

They could setup a monthly payment for the $10K with high interest. Let them keep paying monthly but at least legalize them.

MDxOD 11-10-2012 11:42 PM

Re: House Speaker Boehner says Obama must lead on immigration reform
 
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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 368372)
CIR is just as important as the economy. The immigration system has been broken for many years even before the economy took its toll.

They could setup a monthly payment for the $10K with high interest. Let them keep paying monthly but at least legalize them.

Huh has the government ever done that before? (monthly payments)

I highly doubt they would finance people with high interest rates...thats just so complicated and messy.

natalie2288 11-11-2012 01:16 AM

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CIR is NOT just as important as the economy, at least to the average Joe. I'm sure Joe would be more interested in the fact that they are more chances for him to earn more than to know that his neighbor Maria would become a permanent resident.

DA User 11-11-2012 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MDxOD (Post 368448)
Huh has the government ever done that before? (monthly payments)

I highly doubt they would finance people with high interest rates...thats just so complicated and messy.

They could though.

DA User 11-11-2012 01:31 AM

Re: House Speaker Boehner says Obama must lead on immigration reform
 
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Originally Posted by MDxOD (Post 368448)
Huh has the government ever done that before? (monthly payments)

I highly doubt they would finance people with high interest rates...thats just so complicated and messy.

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Originally Posted by natalie2288 (Post 368496)
CIR is NOT just as important as the economy, at least to the average Joe. I'm sure Joe would be more interested in the fact that they are more chances for him to earn more than to know that his neighbor Maria would become a permanent resident.

The Average Joe/Jane earns low income and collects government handouts.
High skilled workers are immigrants and a lot of them became USC because of that.

There are so many Dreamers with college degrees.

yonah 11-11-2012 01:41 AM

Re: House Speaker Boehner says Obama must lead on immigration reform
 
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Originally Posted by MDxOD (Post 368187)
1) Let the economy "improve dramatically" first. Then use CIR as a means to grow it further. Dont pass the argument that CIR will help the economy get back on track. Thats not going to work.

2) I wouldnt mind the 10k, however i said earlier that it will be a huge burden on people. Getting access to 10k for every family member + lawyer fees etc... will be tough on a lot of people who will have to wait months/years to get papers (imagine if all estimated 11 millionish people applied about the same time).

I think 5k is a better number which a lot more people have access to.

I like your idea. I'd go as far as to say increase the tax rate on CIR applicants for 5-10 years. I wont mind paying an extra 5-10% of my income to become a USC.


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