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Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback

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Originally Posted by fl_dreamer (Post 616547)

I support the second bill!

The second bill is Kate's Law, which would impose tougher penalties against deported felons who return to the United States. The bill is named after Kate Steinle, who was killed by an illegal immigrant who had been deported five times.

Yeah. These bills make sense! And why are we being labeled as "DACA Right Wingers" for thinking this way on here? It's a complete disgrace. I don't see the problem with Trump having a bunch of victims of undocumented criminals over in an immigration round table. We need to stop defending criminals!

Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback

if thats the case they need 8 dems then... they should attach dreamer legalization amendment.

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Originally Posted by isk84life (Post 616544)

Any immigration bill needs 60 votes by senate rules.

Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 616548)

I think the concern is also that when Trump rallies with the victims, the country riles up too. The most of the country stereotypes us all in one bucket. I bet if my coworkers knew I was a DACA recipient and in reality not "legal". They would not believe it! The point is common sense anti-bills can be passed without the negativity.

Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback

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Originally Posted by fl_dreamer (Post 616547)

Have you read the actual text? it is just no felons, it's people with misdemeanors too or with more than two reentry's. You fell for the propaganda. This bill is nothing but a gift to private prisons. 25 years in jail for reentering the US? btw, the text does not make any distinction between adults and minors. So if you entered as a child and you get caught now. Well, good luck.

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Originally Posted by isk84life (Post 616553)

Do you prefer to use taxes to fund prisons? I surely do not.

Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback

Everyone skipped my comment, it's the truth.

Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback

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Originally Posted by isk84life (Post 616543)

Lol why would Dems agree to pass these bills without getting anything for them?

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Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback

Wonder if anything will be done about eDACA amiright????

Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback

All of you would be surprised the type of immigrants who are in detention centers and actually have a chance of getting asylum or some sort of relief (e.g. MS 13 gang members, people connected to arms and drugs trafficking). At the policy, national level, this is all politics and theatrics. In practice, even the bad ones have due process rights and actually stand a chance at relief under the current system.

We can take this in different ways: he protects DACA yet seeks to enforce immigration laws as well. I am not saying screw everyone else. What I am saying is be strategic: we can benefit from DACA and still fight for other immigrants in a civil, diplomatic way. However, launching personal attacks on mainstream media puts us at risk of him eliminating the program. I have continually said this over and over and over fucking again. But, it's as if some of you do not care that he take DACA away; you care about getting fame on facebook for all the "likes" or other mainstream media outlets by insulting him and trying to play the hero part on mainstream media.

The immigration status quo is very similar to the situation we had under Obama; Some have DACA while the ones who aged out and are not dreamers are in a tough position. Yes, Obama was more lenient toward non-dreamers, but he would continually say he is subject to the rule of law as president when we would criticize him as deporter in chief. Or have some of you forgot? For some of you, your ego and your hatred for Trump (whom I admit is imperfect) is blindly and foolishly more important than being strategic, keeping DACA, and being diplomatic in our other demands in wanting protections for our loved ones.

Now, if you believe ALL immigrants are good, I can respect your view if you are removal defense attorney. That's your career. But, if you are not, I really do not know what is wrong with you if are advocating that even MS 13 gang members be protected and get relief.

Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback

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Originally Posted by isk84life (Post 616553)

Also Kate's law would not prevented Kate's death:

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Kate’s Law Would Not Have Helped Kate

The bill’s namesake is Kate Steinle, a 32-year-old medical sales rep killed in San Francisco in 2015. Her killer was Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, who was in the country without status after five removals. Proponents of this bill—providing lengthier prison sentences for people who reenter the country after a removal—believe that this would have somehow helped Kate Steinle. This assertion cannot withstand a moment’s contact with the facts of the case, which I have previously laid out in detail here.

After his last three apprehensions, the government prosecuted Lopez-Sanchez for felony illegal reentry. He served 15 years in federal prison in three five-year increments. None of the facts of this case would have changed if he had served those 15 years consecutively. Indeed, because Lopez-Sanchez never actually made it across the border without being caught since 1997, the only reason that he ended up in San Francisco is because the Bureau of Prisons inexplicably decided to ignore a request for transfer from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Instead, it shipped him to the city based on a 20-year-old marijuana charge—an offense that no longer even exists in the city. Thus, deterrence against reentry has no relevance whatsoever to this case.

https://www.cato.org/blog/kates-law-...eral-resources