Re: House GOP immigration talks hung up over legal status for Dreamers
 

But if a non criminal uncle or cousin is willing to wait 30 years for a green card, I don’t have a problem giving them one.

But end this racist system and legalize the 11 million.

Re: House GOP immigration talks hung up over legal status for Dreamers
 

you do know how lenient immigration laws can be right.
we are a finite country, this is a ridiculous notion that if anyone in the world wants to come here, they are free to get a green card. all of you people need to wake the fuck up on this situation and stop dragging around these demands with you.
either 11 million, or none of us, either let everyone come in here or don't give us anything at all.

these are people with no ties to this country, and while you may enjoy mexican communities being slowly debased and gentrified because of immigration like you are defending, i don't.
the only prejudice existing within the system now is the active exclusion of european immigrants for the past 50 years. you want to right those wrongs?
of course not.

Re: House GOP immigration talks hung up over legal status for Dreamers
 

Exclusion of European immigrants? Are you high?

And don't put words in my mouth. I find it perfectly justifiable to give Trump border security and the wall in exchange for fixing the DACA issue. But trading 1.8 million people for a dramatic reduction in immigration as well as a wall and border security is bullshit. The only way radically changing the legal immigration system would be justifiable and politically practical would be if all 11 million were legalized.

Gentrification schmentrification. That's totally off topic. Sorry but poor immigrants don't do shit to gentrify Mexican communities. We are a finite country but we are a large country and there are plenty of places where next to no one lives and are just waiting to be settled by another wave of immigrants (think the modern version of the 19th century German immigrants). Without mass immigration, our fate will be like Japan's: an aging and dying people with a stagnant economy and no innovation.

Who said anything about letting anyone who wants to come to the US into the country? If a relative is willing to wait 30 fucking years for a green card instead of getting permanent residence in another comparable country in five or six years, then I think they make up a rather small group. The same logic explains why Dreamers who have been here for 15 years should be able to get green cards.

Re: House GOP immigration talks hung up over legal status for Dreamers
 

that is the logic you are using when attempting to justify the current system on the basis that, well before we excluded non-whites. it's not bullshit, explain how it's bullshit.
you people have a thin grasp on how immigration works and impacts countries.
it's fine if you want more and more immigration, but recognize the faults and errors that leads to.

in what way is cutting legal immigration "changing" the system radically?
the way things are done now is unsustainable.
you keep adding and adding people while still trying to assimilate the ones you already have here.
you basically have no idea what you're saying, the economy has it's way of adjusting itself, it's already happening in japan.

adding waves of immigrants is not how you solve a country's problems. this is absolutely absurd thinking, and gentrification is a very real problem. are you dumb? there's countless examples, literally google it.

you people have been using the japan argument and i prove you wrong everytime.
they're doing fine all things considered.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20.../#.WxeZbkgvzIU

Re: House GOP immigration talks hung up over legal status for Dreamers
 

Oh for fucks sake.
At this time in history, there is no advantage that non Europeans have in immigrating to the US that Europeans don't have. In fact, China, India, Mexico and the Philippines are countries (all non white) that are disadvantaged.

You can't say that the economy "has it's (sic) way of adjusting itself" and then say that our current immigration system is unsustainable. Both of those statements are contradictions. Make up your mind.

Blah Blah gentrification. Poor immigrants don't gentrify neighborhoods. They don't have shit in terms of wealth. The people who gentrify are rich white people who feel like they're bored of living in a their racist white flight suburbs and now they want to go back into the city. And because they have substantially more resources than minorities do (because they used racism to exploit minorities), they can afford to pay higher rents and hence raise them for everyone else. I know plenty about gentrification. I live in fucking New York City and I can tell you that if you want to end gentrification, then expel every single motherfucking cracker from every large gentrifying city.

Changing a system that has existed in its current state for 50 years is pretty fucking radical. If you disagree, then I don't think you understand what radical means.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20.../#.WxeZbkgvzIU

This article is bullshit. Ever heard of a market correction? And why the hell aren't we paying attention to the fact that Japan shouldn't be merely recovering at the same time that other countries economies are thriving? A short period of slow growth in a time when other industrialized powers are growing at very fast rates reflects poorly on Japan.

The rest of response is essentially half baked thoughts about how wrong I am about everything with little justification. You should probably calm down and put the crystal meth down. On a related note, who the fuck are "you people"?

Anyway, I'm bored.

Re: House GOP immigration talks hung up over legal status for Dreamers
 

Dreamer path to citizenship in exchange for border security (wall included), is a fair deal. Anyone wanting all or nothing is a nutcase.

Re: House GOP immigration talks hung up over legal status for Dreamers
 

@MEPFuller
Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows says he expects immigration proponents will get the requisite number of signatures for a discharge petition tomorrow. He also says a GOP-only bill isn’t quite in the offing.

Basically, it’s looking like Republicans are figuring out that there isn’t an immigration bill they can all agree on. With that box checked, the Republicans who *do* want a DACA bill seem ready to align themselves with Democrats.

Paul Ryan says he really does believe there’s “a sweet spot” on a GOP immigration bill. Alright, maybe. But they haven’t found that sweet spot in well over a decade, and they’re trying to find it in, like, the next 24 hours.

Re: House GOP immigration talks hung up over legal status for Dreamers
 

The ONLY solution is one that takes cares of all current and past Dreamers. There is a case to be made that if it includes future Dreamers, it might encourage more childhood arrivals because they know they'll be getting legal status for knowingly breaking the law but as none of us knew anything before coming here and many of us have waited for decades, it's fair that we should be taken care of first.


You can't include the DV visa in your chain migration argument because those are separate issues and we all agree that the DV visa can be removed. Now back to your bringing cousins over argument.

Immigrant A through magic comes to the US and becomes a citizen - 5 years
Immigrant A sponsors his parents B who are considered immediate family ~ 1 year + 5 years to become citizen.
Immigrant B sponsors his brother C- Not immediate family, back of line ~ 19 years +5 to become citizen
Immigrant C sponsors his children who by now are over 21 ~ 10 years

So, BEST CASE, from the time immigrant A gets his green card and is able to get a green card for his cousin is around 45 years. That is some bullshit right there! We should totally stop this by keeping people from bringing their elderly parents to live with them just in case they sponsor their also old siblings who might still be alive to sponsor their kids....assuming they can prove financial support.

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Re: House GOP immigration talks hung up over legal status for Dreamers
 

I hope it doesnt come down to the discharge petition because McConnell will never bring whatever passes from that to the Senate floor, which means we will be back where we started....in limbo