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cmartinez 07-20-2018 11:45 AM

Re: House passes resolution supporting ICE, denouncing calls for its abolishment
 
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Originally Posted by bad.bunny (Post 714186)
Don't usually agree with you on many things, but I agree with this one. The whole "Abolishing ICE" idea is too extreme and can potentially harm the Democratic party.

It's not really that extreme. ICE was created post 9/11 in a moment when the country was freaking out. Its history isn't really that long. Abolishing an agency that was created in a moment of fear is not that extreme.

The thing is that many on the right want to make it seem extreme, even though many of these conservatives, particularly the older ones, they lived the majority of their life in an America where ICE did not exist.

Charolastra 07-20-2018 12:00 PM

Re: House passes resolution supporting ICE, denouncing calls for its abolishment
 
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Originally Posted by cmartinez (Post 714349)
It's not really that extreme. ICE was created post 9/11 in a moment when the country was freaking out. Its history isn't really that long. Abolishing an agency that was created in a moment of fear is not that extreme.

The thing is that many on the right want to make it seem extreme, even though many of these conservatives, particularly the older ones, they lived the majority of their life in an America where ICE did not exist.

What about the INS? Wasn't that basically the same thing?

cmartinez 07-20-2018 01:18 PM

Re: House passes resolution supporting ICE, denouncing calls for its abolishment
 
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Originally Posted by bad.bunny (Post 714186)
Don't usually agree with you on many things, but I agree with this one. The whole "Abolishing ICE" idea is too extreme and can potentially harm the Democratic party.

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Originally Posted by Charolastra (Post 714352)
What about the INS? Wasn't that basically the same thing?

Yes and no. INS was a larger agency that used to encompass what is now USCIS, ICE, and at least one other agency that I am blanking on right now. So yes, INS had many of the functions that ICE now has.

ICE was born in 2003, and "Congress granted ICE a unique combination of civil and criminal authorities to better protect national security and public safety in answer to the tragic events on 9/11. Leveraging those authorities, ICE's primary mission is to promote homeland security and public safety through the criminal and civil enforcement of federal laws governing border control, customs, trade and immigration." (ice.gov)

Essentially undocumented immigrants were lumped together with terrorists, and an organization was creted to deal with us accordingly.

CUSenior 07-20-2018 05:14 PM

Re: House passes resolution supporting ICE, denouncing calls for its abolishment
 
INS also had CBP (Customs and Border Protection).

DogJuiceMan 07-20-2018 05:59 PM

Re: House passes resolution supporting ICE, denouncing calls for its abolishment
 
Looks like customs inspectors and the immigration officers from INS were merged into a new office to create ICE.

2MoreYears 07-20-2018 06:04 PM

Re: House passes resolution supporting ICE, denouncing calls for its abolishment
 
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Originally Posted by DogJuiceMan (Post 714393)
Looks like customs inspectors and the immigration officers from INS were merged into a new office to create ICE.

This comment is obviously sarcasm.

libertarian1776 07-20-2018 06:13 PM

Re: House passes resolution supporting ICE, denouncing calls for its abolishment
 
listen here mister handsome, courteous, lovely guy...

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Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 714396)
This comment is obviously sarcasm.


DogJuiceMan 07-21-2018 12:17 AM

Re: House passes resolution supporting ICE, denouncing calls for its abolishment
 
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Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 714396)
This comment is obviously sarcasm.

Fake news from 2MoreYears. Clearly he's a russian bot, probably pals with putin.

Anyhow enough nonsense,

It's impressive for me to hear about my fellow countrymen returning because the economic situation. However the real question is how long will the good times last, and can the country handle the return of 40+ Million or so of its countrymen looking for work. I hope AMLO can turn our homeland around, god bless and protect that man from enemies both foreign and domestic. I am willing to return to my homeland and pick up a rifle in defense of the homeland.

I know we wouldn't of left Mexico if there were jobs and good pay.


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