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FLDreamerrr 12-02-2022 01:27 PM

Re: Push to Help DACA Faces Steep Odds in Lame-Duck Session
 
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Originally Posted by ralsingh (Post 768875)
There will absolutely be no pressure on Republicans for immigration reform (aka "amnesty") for EVEN a tiny fraction of an undocumented population like DACA. They just don't have the incentive to do it (other than moral drive - which is really not something we can count on with politicians in general).

This is unfortunately the best time for DACA. If this spills into next Congress (I call it the "Jim Jordan" Congress), fuggeddaboutit. Most we will get is codifying DACA into law and living as a second class citizens forever - if that.

Codifying daca is the most we will get before January before republicans take house … after that fuggeddaboutit

hDreamer1988 12-02-2022 03:30 PM

Re: Push to Help DACA Faces Steep Odds in Lame-Duck Session
 
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Codifying daca is the most we will get before January before republicans take house … after that fuggeddaboutit
That is enough for me. I can freely work and not have to worry about deportation.

ralsingh 12-03-2022 04:45 PM

Re: Push to Help DACA Faces Steep Odds in Lame-Duck Session
 
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Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 768893)
That is enough for me. I can freely work and not have to worry about deportation.

Actually, losing DACA is better than codifying it. Living as a resident, paying taxes, but never get a chance to apply for citizenship, never "belong", never be able to freely travel and see the world, that is called "second class citizenry."

Losing DACA will at least set some fire under the asses of Dems and Reps. It is one thing to never give status to undocumented people, it is another thing to give something, take it away, and watch hundreds of thousands of people suffer. That may actually be enough for Reps to come around.

2MoreYears 12-03-2022 05:53 PM

Re: Push to Help DACA Faces Steep Odds in Lame-Duck Session
 
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Originally Posted by ralsingh (Post 768914)
Actually, losing DACA is better than codifying it. Living as a resident, paying taxes, but never get a chance to apply for citizenship, never "belong", never be able to freely travel and see the world, that is called "second class citizenry."

Losing DACA will at least set some fire under the asses of Dems and Reps. It is one thing to never give status to undocumented people, it is another thing to give something, take it away, and watch hundreds of thousands of people suffer. That may actually be enough for Reps to come around.

^ This

So fuck it, let all hell break loose!

FLDreamerrr 12-03-2022 06:14 PM

Re: Push to Help DACA Faces Steep Odds in Lame-Duck Session
 
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Originally Posted by ralsingh (Post 768914)
Actually, losing DACA is better than codifying it. Living as a resident, paying taxes, but never get a chance to apply for citizenship, never "belong", never be able to freely travel and see the world, that is called "second class citizenry."

Losing DACA will at least set some fire under the asses of Dems and Reps. It is one thing to never give status to undocumented people, it is another thing to give something, take it away, and watch hundreds of thousands of people suffer. That may actually be enough for Reps to come around.

So you’re an all or nothing? You really are willing to put your life in the hands of the politicians who (both sides dems and gop) have done nothing since daca was created before and after?

What if daca did get struck down and politicians couldn’t reach an agreement? What makes you so sure they’ll do something about it?

ralsingh 12-03-2022 06:58 PM

Re: Push to Help DACA Faces Steep Odds in Lame-Duck Session
 
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Originally Posted by FLDreamerrr (Post 768916)
So you’re an all or nothing? You really are willing to put your life in the hands of the politicians who (both sides dems and gop) have done nothing since daca was created before and after?

What if daca did get struck down and politicians couldn’t reach an agreement? What makes you so sure they’ll do something about it?

My personal situation is that, thanks to DACA, I have build up my resume and savings over the past 9-10 years. I am grateful to DACA beyond comprehension. But 10 years later, due to pesky physics of time, one thing I have less of is... time. So, I would like to travel a little (see the beautiful world), go meet my folks, before it's too late.

I hope Congress does something for us this year with complete awareness that it might just be delusional to hope so. If not, then we won't get anything better than status quo in the next 2-3 years, if not longer. And I just don't have that kind of time-savings in my life-bank.

Now, folks who are still in school or have misused DACA for the past 10 years by not leveraging it to build up their strengths, it may just be better to stay put in the United States of America.

hDreamer1988 12-03-2022 08:18 PM

Re: Push to Help DACA Faces Steep Odds in Lame-Duck Session
 
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Actually, losing DACA is better than codifying it. Living as a resident, paying taxes, but never get a chance to apply for citizenship, never "belong", never be able to freely travel and see the world, that is called "second class citizenry."

Losing DACA will at least set some fire under the asses of Dems and Reps. It is one thing to never give status to undocumented people, it is another thing to give something, take it away, and watch hundreds of thousands of people suffer. That may actually be enough for Reps to come around.
Maybe I would agree with you if the House was not going to the GOP but what you are proposing is very high risk. We are not a voting block so losing daca wont light any fires under the GOP but instead give them leverage for harsher immigration policies.

I don't feel second-class and would prefer security above all else. My ultimate goal is not US citizenship but financial independence. I only need 4-5 more years to achieve my financial goals and retire to the island life.


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