Originally Posted by Chilango_Tejano (Post 643113)

LOL being brought here as a minor is no doubt no fault of our own.... marrying someone w no status is our choice . I invite everyone to be grateful and stop getting picky

Originally Posted by NattUhhLee (Post 643157)

Side Note: I think you guys have that waiver they have included wrong. They stated the bill requires future temporary visa holders to sign a waiver that would otherwise grant them an immigration hearing or other immigration-related benefits if they violate the terms of their visa.
While this does not directly affect us, I do not agree with taking away basic rights to due process

Originally Posted by NattUhhLee (Post 643157)

It seems like there are only a few difference between SA and DA, based on information we have so far. I will list them below from minor to major, IMO (DA version will be in parenthesis)

1. 15 Yr Path to Citizenship (13 Yr Path to Citizenship)
2. Cannot petition for family member until naturalized (does not mention this topic)
3. Must have arrived to US under age 16 by 06/15/2012 ( Must have arrived to US under 18 4 years pior to enactment of bill)
4. Curbs Future Visa Overstays (does not mention this topic)

Side Note: I think you guys have that waiver they have included wrong. They stated the bill requires future temporary visa holders to sign a waiver that would otherwise grant them an immigration hearing or other immigration-related benefits if they violate the terms of their visa.
While this does not directly affect us, I do not agree with taking away basic rights to due process

Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 643163)

It's both. See step 1:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKlZMUhVYAAOW5y.jpg

Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 643163)

It's both. See step 1:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKlZMUhVYAAOW5y.jpg

Originally Posted by NattUhhLee (Post 643157)

It seems like there are only a few difference between SA and DA, based on information we have so far. I will list them below from minor to major, IMO (DA version will be in parenthesis)

1. 15 Yr Path to Citizenship (13 Yr Path to Citizenship)
2. Cannot petition for family member until naturalized (does not mention this topic)
3. Must have arrived to US under age 16 by 06/15/2012 ( Must have arrived to US under 18 4 years pior to enactment of bill)
4. Curbs Future Visa Overstays (does not mention this topic)

Side Note: I think you guys have that waiver they have included wrong. They stated the bill requires future temporary visa holders to sign a waiver that would otherwise grant them an immigration hearing or other immigration-related benefits if they violate the terms of their visa.
While this does not directly affect us, I do not agree with taking away basic rights to due process

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 643165)

what happens if you already fulfilled step 2 like army and bachelors?

do you get to skip to PR right away?

Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 643172)

No, skipping from my understanding. If you don't pursue another degree or go into the military, I believe you have to stay gainfully employed for 48 out of 60 months.

Originally Posted by spolem (Post 643171)

5) Significant misdemeanors. SA Significant misdemeanor disqualifies you DA does not

Originally Posted by NattUhhLee (Post 643174)

Actually Significant misdemeanors disqualifies you in both bills, see below for text from DA 2017 bill:

(iii) has not been convicted of—
(I) any offense under Federal or State law, other than a State offense for which an essential element is the alien’s immigration status, that is punishable by a maximum term of imprisonment of more than 1 year; or
(II) 3 or more offenses under Federal or State law, other than State offenses for which an essential element is the alien’s immigration status, for which the alien was convicted on different dates for each of the 3 offenses and imprisoned for an aggregate of 90 days or more; and

** A significant misdemeanor is what is defined in (I)

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 643173)

but it says one of 3 or a combination of.

what if you done all three during your DACA years?

kinda fucked up they wont include our employment during DACA years or your bachelors or masters degree dont count because you did it before this bill. lol

Originally Posted by BestBefore1984 (Post 643190)

I am trying to get my Masters at Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey, focusing on international relations with a focus on Russian politics. I'll be a diplomat to Россия (Russia) in about 10 years! Woooooo.

Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 643188)

I agree - it should count. Many of us have now passed background checks 3X in last five years; we've been carefully vetted. This doesn't really bother me because I'll be working those 5 years whether it is required or not. And I already have my Masters.

Originally Posted by fl_dreamer (Post 643191)

With my Permanent GC in 10 years, I will come visit you in Россия (Russia)

Originally Posted by DanielPL (Post 643194)

Consistently employed does this mean that we have to be employed under the conditional status? I'm confused here

Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 643200)

Yes, Employed for 48 out of the 60 months

Originally Posted by bestbefore1984 (Post 643198)

fa sho. I'll show you around girl. We're gonna own the streets of moscow, explore the outskirts of the city and maybe take an overnight train to kiev, shoot up to pripyat and visit one of the spookiest ghost towns. You don't travel with me and have a terrible time - i give you my word or a 100% refund for your flight.

Originally Posted by BestBefore1984 (Post 643202)

Playing captain obvious here, but for those who struggle with conversions - that is 1 year. How can someone remain unemployed for a year?

Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 643208)

Some people can't maintain a job, they jump around from one place to another.

Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 643206)

What if you are an indep contrator?

Originally Posted by fl_dreamer (Post 643219)

That is okay. You are allowed to jump ships just have to be employed for 48 of 60 months. 48 months can be a combination of A, B and C employers. This is another way of showing that we can support ourselves and will not be a burden on the government.

Originally Posted by year2010 (Post 643245)

Can someone explain the part of this bill that makes it worse than DA? I know there’s the no sponsorship thing, but someone said here that It won’t be easy anyway with DA. Is there anything else that makes it drastically different? And what’s the possibility to merge, perhaps, both bills?

Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 643248)

It will be like the year 2032 before any of us gain citizenship with this. Let that sink in.

Although... this is better than nothing. I also agree that it's unfortunate it does not have an accelerated option for those that already have a college degree, have served in the military, or have worked continuously for 48+ months.

Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 643249)

For one... it will have you sign a waiver signing away your rights if you violate terms of your status, putting you at easier risk for deportation.

Originally Posted by year2010 (Post 643257)

Personally, I don’t see this as a bad thing. But I can see how this would seem restrictive for some. I mean most dreamers are good ppl who haven’t done anything bad, ever in our lives. So I don’t see this been a problem. Is there anything else?

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 643258)

its not about being good or bad, we can all agree that DREAMers who commit crimes should be gone.

but this is an issue of infringing on civil liberties, anyone living here has the human and constitutional right of due process.

Originally Posted by spolem (Post 643184)

I had an understading that significan mismeanor was

A 'significant' misdemeanor is: a misdemeanor that involves domestic violence, sexual abuse or exploitation, burglary, driving under the influence (DUI), unlawful possession or use of a firearm, or drug distribution or drug trafficking; or. any misdemeanor for which you are sentenced to more than 90 days in prison

I believe (I) is a felony. (a crime, typically one involving violence, regarded as more serious than a misdemeanor, and usually punishable by imprisonment for more than one year)

Under the Dream Act bill, Significant misdemeanor should not disqualify you.

:)

Originally Posted by year2010 (Post 643266)

oh i didn't know that, so it's not someone has to be convicted, but simply accused could be in violation?