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hooligan111988 06-12-2012 10:21 AM

Re: Allies Urge Barack Obama to Go It Alone (Dream Act)
 
i wonder how many ppl here came before 96 ... and moving the registry i think is not a good idea...because it would help other undocumented ppl that aren't dreamers...and a lot of politicians won't like that...they are sympathetic about us because we literally got screwed over by our parents... so we do deserve some kind of relief... it's our parents fault...not be a douche...but it's the truth.

immigration truth 06-12-2012 10:23 AM

Re: Allies Urge Barack Obama to Go It Alone (Dream Act)
 
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Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 258268)
Moving the registry date to 1996 isn't just about DREAMers, though. It's about the overall immigration movement and if (notice the huge if) he did it, it would be in an effort to help as many of the 11 million undocumented people here as possible. I could see this as a less controversial way to go, in terms of public opinion and CIR.

I agree with you about there being some form of legal status for people who arrived after 1996, but that would definitely be left up to Congress. Moving the date to 1996 would be the only thing the president can do without facing a fight on the basis of unconstitutionality.

But, he won't even man up and sign an EO to halt the deportations of non-criminals and DREAM Act eligible youth. So, I just don't see him looking at this as even an option right now.

I agree with you that it should be taken but I do also quite believe that if signed, then all post 1996 undocumented immigrants might as well pack their bags because republicans would never even think of entertaining the notion of amnesty ever again. So should it be done? Yes, but it does have a huge trade-off. But again, I always support any notion or law which could help anybody out so if he has the guts to do it, go ahead.

texas972 06-12-2012 02:38 PM

Re: Allies Urge Barack Obama to Go It Alone (Dream Act)
 
is president Obama really going to sign the dream act by EO i been reading articles
http://www.examiner.com/article/is-o...am-act-amnesty
and if so by when do ya think he will sign it

drock226 06-12-2012 05:20 PM

Re: Allies Urge Barack Obama to Go It Alone (Dream Act)
 
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Originally Posted by texas972 (Post 258295)
is president Obama really going to sign the dream act by EO i been reading articles
http://www.examiner.com/article/is-o...am-act-amnesty
and if so by when do ya think he will sign it

The issue that will be used against this EO will be the chain migration.

Obama will most likely not have the will to pass an EO right before elections. I would not get my hopes up nor would I even consider it.

If he was serious about immigration we would have an idea by now.

Ianus 06-12-2012 05:22 PM

Re: Allies Urge Barack Obama to Go It Alone (Dream Act)
 
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Originally Posted by immigration truth (Post 258273)
I agree with you that it should be taken but I do also quite believe that if signed, then all post 1996 undocumented immigrants might as well pack their bags because republicans would never even think of entertaining the notion of amnesty ever again. So should it be done? Yes, but it does have a huge trade-off. But again, I always support any notion or law which could help anybody out so if he has the guts to do it, go ahead.

The President is actually using many of his Executive powers right now to implement what he wants in the system because of Republican obstructions in Congress on many differing subjects.I actually think the President should use the 1996 Registry idea as a wider strategy for Congress to implement either piecemeal or wider immigration reforms by a deadline [say Dec. 12. 2012 to raise the stakes]or the pen comes out for the Registry idea.

immigration truth 06-12-2012 05:27 PM

Re: Allies Urge Barack Obama to Go It Alone (Dream Act)
 
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Originally Posted by Ianus (Post 258316)
The President is actually using many of his Executive powers right now to implement what he wants in the system because of Republican obstructions in Congress on many differing subjects.I actually think the President should use the 1996 Registry idea as a wider strategy for Congress to implement either piecemeal or wider immigration reforms by a deadline [say Dec. 12. 2012 to raise the stakes]or the pen comes out for the Registry idea.

I agree with you that this is desirable, but let's face the reality. Obama is a career politician and he's not exactly known for being a trendsetter on these controversial issues. Also add in the fact that he can't be seen as too pro-amnesty because of the election or even for the majority of his next term(if he gets it) and I just think that the executive order will not be used. President Obama has never been the friend of dreamers and I don't think he ever will be, why shine the light on a powderkeg issue when it causes you no huge harm at all and won't exactly benefit your political enemy by much either if it remains in the status quo.

If you're Obama you don't want to deflect from your foreign policy successes or even your mild economic recovery success( or any remnant of it) by shining a light on immigration reform. To energize what? a demographic that is still for the moment highly politically dormant and seems as if it'll swing for you regardless.

Also just by looking at the economic climate, I think the fate of the illegal immigration movement is sealed. In times of economic crises there has not ever been recorded one aspect of positive immigration reform, and I think history is really starting to live up it's codes.

Ianus 06-12-2012 07:49 PM

Re: Allies Urge Barack Obama to Go It Alone (Dream Act)
 
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Originally Posted by immigration truth (Post 258318)
I agree with you that this is desirable, but let's face the reality. Obama is a career politician and he's not exactly known for being a trendsetter on these controversial issues. Also add in the fact that he can't be seen as too pro-amnesty because of the election or even for the majority of his next term(if he gets it) and I just think that the executive order will not be used. President Obama has never been the friend of dreamers and I don't think he ever will be, why shine the light on a powderkeg issue when it causes you no huge harm at all and won't exactly benefit your political enemy by much either if it remains in the status quo.

If you're Obama you don't want to deflect from your foreign policy successes or even your mild economic recovery success( or any remnant of it) by shining a light on immigration reform. To energize what? a demographic that is still for the moment highly politically dormant and seems as if it'll swing for you regardless.

Also just by looking at the economic climate, I think the fate of the illegal immigration movement is sealed. In times of economic crises there has not ever been recorded one aspect of positive immigration reform, and I think history is really starting to live up it's codes.

I have always been realistic with regard to what is plausible from what is possible,but a Dreamer's situation is simply not all about Politicians,demographics or statistics,you're talking mainly strategy which I use to do quite a few times before but not anymore.One should always separate the wants of Dreamers to move on with their lives as the predominant issue here vs. the strategy that is entailed to get there,whether here or abroad.I think it is also pointless in debating whether an action will take place or not when in most cases it simply nothing we can control.

JohannBernoulli1667 06-12-2012 08:54 PM

Re: Allies Urge Barack Obama to Go It Alone (Dream Act)
 
I suppose we are all frustrated and are loosing hope. As Real ID kicks in, we will be in a really bad situation. EO would be the last thing to hope for since Dream Act and Rubio act are going nowhere.

jamesp 06-12-2012 09:40 PM

Re: Allies Urge Barack Obama to Go It Alone (Dream Act)
 
AFAIK 1996 was first brought up by Former USCIS counsel Roxana Bacon. Why 1996? I have no idea. But it's good to look at the history of this provision.

1) First registry date after enactment in 1929: June 3, 1921
2) 1940 update of the registry date set the new date to: July 1, 1924
3) Third update took place in 1958. The new date was set to: June 28, 1940
4) 1965 update of the registry date set the date to: June 30, 1948.
5) 1986 CIR updated the registry date to : January 1, 1972

No additional update has happened since 1986. Although there is no specific pattern in the interval, it is safe to say that a new update is long overdue.

I agree with several other posters that if Obama updates the registry date by EO, the new date should be in 2000s to cover the maximum number of dreamers and other undocumented immigrants. Still it's curious that Roxana Bacon and a few others picked 1996. I would be interested to know why they were fixated on 1996!

source: http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/A...-0-0-9882.html



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Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 258225)
I thought changing the registry date was always a feasible solution. But would that be enough? My issue is what happens to the people that came after whatever date is chosen. Is it too unrealistic to hope that if this is the route chosen by the administration, that it could at least be somewhere in the early to mid 2000s?

I've seen 1996 thrown around a few times (both here and in articles advocating the registry change), but why this year and not 2001, which was also an important year (245i and September 11th)?


freshh. 06-12-2012 09:47 PM

Re: Allies Urge Barack Obama to Go It Alone (Dream Act)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesp (Post 258342)
AFAIK 1996 was first brought up by Former USCIS counsel Roxana Bacon. Why 1996? I have no idea. But it's good to look at the history of this provision.

1) First registry date after enactment in 1929: June 3, 1921
2) 1940 update of the registry date set the new date to: July 1, 1924
3) Third update took place in 1958. The new date was set to: June 28, 1940
4) 1965 update of the registry date set the date to: June 30, 1948.
5) 1986 CIR updated the registry date to : January 1, 1972

No additional update has happened since 1986. Although there is no specific pattern in the interval, it is safe to say that a new update is long overdue.

I agree with several other posters that if Obama updates the registry date by EO, the new date should be in 2000s to cover the maximum number of dreamers and other undocumented immigrants. Still it's curious that Roxana Bacon and a few others picked 1996. I would be interested to know why they were fixated on 1996!

source: http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/A...-0-0-9882.html

Ianus explained why 1996 is the year we've continued to see in this previous post.

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Originally Posted by Ianus (Post 258264)
It is been thrown around as an idea because should it be challenged in the Supreme Court the one main argument would be that it would interfere with the IRRIRA act which was passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton and became effective in 1996.If the President made it a later year for Registry there is no doubt the EO would be struck down by the Supreme Court.

You can find the original DHS draft document I posted here of the Administrative Options.It basically explains what the President IS capable of and certainly Registry is very much within the President's power.I simply agree with the 1996 Registry option because Permanent Residency is the only cure from removal even though it may not be perfect for all.Those that do not qualify will still be subject to current law unfortunately.

I also think waiving the immigration bars is not feasible because that was implemented by the stricter implementation by IRRIRA.The President would be asking for a lot of trouble with Congress and the Supreme Court if the Immigration bars were waived and all those removed were now eligible to return to the US,imo.

Anyway,Certainly anything that seems to be implemented appears to be cautiously done so on a more permanent basis by the President.



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