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Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps

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Originally Posted by DACAuser (Post 536745)

If Obama use executive order to grant green card to illegal, he will get impeachment. Obama is a
smart guy, he will wait until democrat take back house at the end of this year. And pass CIR.

They're not going to take the house... The senate will lose democrats majority.

Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps

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Originally Posted by Manimhappy (Post 536751)

They're not going to take the house... The senate will lose democrats majority.

That's not going to happen. Democrats are going to gain a supermajority very soon. Maybe not this election cycle but eventually.

Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps

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Originally Posted by DACAuser (Post 536745)

If Obama use executive order to grant green card to illegal, he will get impeachment. Obama is a smart guy, he will wait until democrat take back house at the end of this year. And pass CIR.

Obama can't grant green cards (Permanent residence) only congress can do that, all he can do is provide temporarly relief to the undocumented population. He will not take back the house traditionally the presidents party lose legislative votes in midterm elections.

Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps

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Originally Posted by Sorrybrah (Post 536730)

Damn, my parents are so excited about the idea of having some kind of renewable work permit. I guess I would just let them know that they need to calm down and expect the worst.

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Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 536731)

I just have a bad feeling that i made a mistake using a condoms all these years if it turns out only those with kids get work permits.

I know man, all this time I was being responsible. I should have listen to my parents when they were like, "just have a baby, we won't be around forever and we want to see our grand kids grow up."

Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps

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Originally Posted by drvenom (Post 536756)

Yea, my parents are a bit excited too. Pft, I'm excited, but I don't want to be. I'm preparing for the worst haha. It is just my parents and I that are undocumented. My sibling are USC. I'm just tired of being undocumented man.

I know man, all this time I was being responsible. I should have listen to my parents when they were like, "just have a baby, we won't be around forever and we want to see our grand kids grow up."

You mentioned your siblings are USC?

You might be one of the lucky ones to benefit for the future "EO" if there is one. However let's not forget that this is the same president who didn't do anything when the Syrian "redline" was breached.

He's the lesser of the two evils though.

Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps

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Originally Posted by bigdreamer2010 (Post 536706)

That scenario will never happen. The house passed the bill to end DACA in order to pass the border bill. The GOP's leadership team in the house originally had a bill preventing any new applications to DACA as a way to get ahead of Obama's pending executive action. This original bill and the border bill were set to be voted on Thursday. However, because of the power structure in the house, once the far right of the GOP's wing refused to vote for the border bill Bohener pulled the bill. The Tea Party has the upper hand in forcing votes since if just a few of them go against leadership then nothing will pass since the Democrats are sticking together and voting no.

Therefore, in order to save face (remember that the House voted to sue Obama Wednesday for use of executive action, then failed to pass their own bill Thursday and released a statement saying that Obama needs to use executive action) the leadership absolutely needed to pass that border bill unless they would look like asses. The Tea Party knew this and got A LOT of Concessions from Leadership which included ending DACA.

However, this bill is completely symbolic as EVERYONE knows its DOA in the senate. The GOP in the Senate have much more to lose than those house republicans in gerrymandered districts. Statewide and national elections are a lot different.

If you think Senate Republicans (which are much more the Establishment wing of The GOP) are willing to go the route of house republicans, ask yourself why they haven't yet? Of course they have Ted Cruz who's just a tool, but remember that the Senate passed CIR and that ONLY happened because the GOP ALLOWED it to happen.

Maybe because they knew it wouldn't get through the house and they wanted to position themselves politically ?
You can't say that will never happen, because you just don't know.

Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps

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Originally Posted by Severity (Post 536817)

Maybe because they knew it wouldn't get through the house and they wanted to position themselves politically ?
You can't say that will never happen, because you just don't know.

I use facts to form my opinion and you've proven my point. The immigration debate at this point has little to do with what's wrong or what's right but what's good politics. Whether or not the bill passes the house doesn't matter. What does matter is that National Republican party understands the politics of blocking the bill in the senate.

The dynamics of the house of representatives are titled towards the tea party. Its not because they represent the views of a majority of Americans of even a majority of House Republicans but because of math.

Even house leadership understands the politics of immigration. In the lawsuit against Obama abusing executive action there is no mention of DACA. The reason why Bohener was forced to include the DACA bill on Thursday and Friday were for the reasons I described in my previous post. He had to.

I'll explain since I'm sure that "you just don't know"

House republicans are safe in their districts therefore votes on the far right doesn't really effect them.
There are 435 members in the house of representatives.
There are 234 republicans.
You need 218 votes to pass a bill.
Democrats have been playing great politics by mostly voting along party lines.
Therefore out of the 234 republicans only 17 have to vote NO and nothing passes the house.
This gives the Tea Party the advantage since there about 30-50 Tea party aligned House Republicans
Wednesday: House leadership allows vote on lawsuit to sue Obama for abuse of executive action(note in the bill there is no mention of anything immigration related)
Thursday: House to vote on Border bill and another immigration related bill the prevents expansion of DACA(preemptive and symbolic strike against Obama's EO)
The infamous Ted Cruz meets with Steve King and Michelle Bachman (who knows what happens in that meeting but one can guess)
Thursday night: The border bill is scheduled for a vote. Boeher all of the sudden realizes that the bill has detractors and he won't get the 218 needed since Democrats were whipped to vote no as usual
Boehner pulls said bill and also cancels the DACA Expansion bill
Boehner's office releases statement saying President Obama needs to use executive action to solve border issue
Hilarity ensues
Congressmen are called back to Capital Friday. Boehner absolutely needs this border bill to pass otherwise his bill to sue Obama on Wednesday gets completely exposed for what it is and House Republicans again show that they fail to lead
Boehner makes concessions to the detractors of the original bill (I assure you Steve King and Bachman had a lot of say in the ending of DACA)
Both bills pass

So basically Boehner lost a battle in order to win the war. He made a lot of concessions to the far right on immigration in order to save face on the overall party's position on Obamacare's unpopularity and painting Obama as a king. I'm sure Ted Cruz, Michelle Bachman, and Steve King all knew this as well.

Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 536752)

That's not going to happen. Democrats are going to gain a supermajority very soon. Maybe not this election cycle but eventually.

You just contradicted yourself.... According to you, if they're not going to this upcoming election then my statement is correct.... Yes eventually they will and so will republicans.. Eventually there will be a women, Asian, Midget president etc... Yes eventually always happens it's all probability... Given enough time, it will come out. Just like the outcome of winning the lottery... You're not gonna win tomorrow.. But if you play for a million years straight you will probably win... Democrats will lose the senate unfortunately and I will come back and remind you of it come this election..

Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps

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Originally Posted by Sorrybrah (Post 536771)

Yes my siblings and wife are USC.

Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps

Hello
My name is Moby

the reason I write this is to express my deeper frustration on Obama's

undocumented alien treatment since 2012.

I came here in U.S. as H4 when I was 18. I've disqualified DACA despite the

age couldn't even helped to determines a path to my independence - I

couldn't get work permit, buy liquors & tobacco, and drivers license, so on

so. as soon as my age turned to 19, my visa got expired. unlike my sister

who came in with her age 9 so she could have DACA in 2012.

now, my age is 31 and literally I can't do anything but stuck in home whole

day. imagine. every single day is doomsday, and i can't find any proper

reason to live as a human being. I wasted my 20 ages with earned nothing,

and no romance neither. nobody even wants to marry me. but I was just stick

with it because of Obama's initial promise - comprehensive immigration

reform.

But now, forget it. Obama throw my last only hope for saving dear selected

group of peoples - Dreamers and their parents only.

I've never been missed paying taxes every month and year, but Obama didn't

even considered about such case.

well..I'm in complication or AKA. "so fucked."