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BeeHive 06-29-2017 09:20 AM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 616573)
Also Kate's law would not prevented Kate's death:



https://www.cato.org/blog/kates-law-...eral-resources
That's not what this article states.

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Lopez-Sanchez should never have been on that pier with Kate. He should have been in the custody of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). And he would have been if San Francisco had only notified ICE of his release from the city’s custody, as ICE had requested.
Which one is lying?

2MoreYears 06-29-2017 09:43 AM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeeHive (Post 616576)
That's not what this article states.



Which one is lying?
Your posting demeanor feels particularly familiar to some dude long gone from this site.

Pianoswithoutfaith 06-29-2017 11:12 AM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
if you're talking about Chyno then you're wrong 2MoteYesrs. Chyno is a reformed user who is a friend of all

Swim19 06-29-2017 12:39 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeeHive (Post 616576)
That's not what this article states.



Which one is lying?
Is this a serious question? You quoted an article by Jeff Sessions in the Fox New Opinion Section under the heading 'illegal immigrants'.

2MoreYears 06-29-2017 12:55 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 616579)
if you're talking about Chyno then you're wrong 2MoteYesrs. Chyno is a reformed user who is a friend of all
10 sources plz!

BeeHive 06-29-2017 01:29 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 616584)
Is this a serious question? You quoted an article by Jeff Sessions in the Fox New Opinion Section under the heading 'illegal immigrants'.
Yes serious question. Either one can be lying. The point of the law is to make people re-think twice if they want to cross again.

He crossed 5 times, maybe if one of those times he had those extra days in jail he could of learned to not cross again.

By saying that law will not prevent her death is like saying having DUI laws would not prevent my neighbor killing his son while drunk driving.

Finally, I do not agree with Kates law.


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On March 26, 2015, at the request of the San Francisco Sheriff's Department, United States Bureau of Prisons (BOP) had turned Sanchez over to San Francisco authorities for an outstanding drug warrant.[16] U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) had issued a detainer for Sanchez requesting that he be kept in custody until immigration authorities could pick him up. As a sanctuary city, however, which limits cooperation with ICE only to cases where active charges against the immigrant are identified, San Francisco did not honor the detainer and released him, since they found no active warrant for his arrest.[17] San Francisco officials transported Sanchez to San Francisco County Jail on March 26, 2015, to face a 20-year-old felony charge of selling and possessing marijuana after Sanchez completed his latest prison term in San Bernardino County for entering in the country without the proper documents.[18] He was released from San Francisco County Jail on April 15, and had no outstanding warrants or judicial warrants, as confirmed by the San Francisco Sheriff's Department.[14]
Source

Swim19 06-29-2017 01:42 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
^How does this contradict what I posted? See below:

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Indeed, because Lopez-Sanchez never actually made it across the border without being caught since 1997, the only reason that he ended up in San Francisco is because the Bureau of Prisons inexplicably decided to ignore a request for transfer from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Instead, it shipped him to the city based on a 20-year-old marijuana charge—an offense that no longer even exists in the city. Thus, deterrence against reentry has no relevance whatsoever to this case.

BeeHive 06-29-2017 02:22 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 616589)
^How does this contradict what I posted? See below:
Because you said: Also Kate's law would not prevented Kate's death.

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"This would be an automatic five-year mandatory minimum in federal hard lockup. That is a serious deterrent. ... When somebody stays in another country because they don't want to do hard time here, they're not going to be committing crimes here," Jarrett said.
Source

Let us break this down. On his 5th entry to USA, meaning he was deported 5 times (assumption) he decided to shoot and it killed Kate.

He was deported 5 times, and his latest was in 2009. During those 5 times, he was caught and deported. After his first deportation, he was caught 4 times (5-1 = 4). If Kate's law was in effect, he had 4 chances at which he could of been in jail at a minimum of 5 years.

If he spend 5 years in prison, there could of been a chance of him learning his lesson and he could of not killed Kate. He could of still, he is a human being, we cant control him.

His last deportation was in 2009. Instead of deportation he could of faced jail time due to Kate's law. He was deported before so let us assume his prison would of been worse than 5 years. He would be sent to prison in 2010 and come out later than 2015.

This would of deff prevented Kate's death.

Do you see what I am trying to show you? Having a harsh sentence on this people could of prevented her death. Not 100% it could of, just like my analogy of drunk driving.

Now the problem with Kate's law is that not all illegals are like that monster. This would make innocent people go to jail for just re-crossing the border to see their family.

This is why your statement is wrong.

Swim19 06-29-2017 02:43 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeeHive (Post 616590)
Because you said: Also Kate's law would not prevented Kate's death.



Source

Let us break this down. On his 5th entry to USA, meaning he was deported 5 times (assumption) he decided to shoot and it killed Kate.

He was deported 5 times, and his latest was in 2009. During those 5 times, he was caught and deported. After his first deportation, he was caught 4 times (5-1 = 4). If Kate's law was in effect, he had 4 chances at which he could of been in jail at a minimum of 5 years.

If he spend 5 years in prison, there could of been a chance of him learning his lesson and he could of not killed Kate. He could of still, he is a human being, we cant control him.

His last deportation was in 2009. Instead of deportation he could of faced jail time due to Kate's law. He was deported before so let us assume his prison would of been worse than 5 years. He would be sent to prison in 2010 and come out later than 2015.

This would of deff prevented Kate's death.

Do you see what I am trying to show you? Having a harsh sentence on this people could of prevented her death. Not 100% it could of, just like my analogy of drunk driving.

Now the problem with Kate's law is that not all illegals are like that monster. This would make innocent people go to jail for just re-crossing the border to see their family.

This is why your statement is wrong.

You didn't read the article or even the quote I posted originally. He did spend time in prison. He spent *15 years* in federal prison. That clearly was not enough of a deterrent for him.

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After his last three apprehensions, the government prosecuted Lopez-Sanchez for felony illegal reentry. He served 15 years in federal prison in three five-year increments.

BeeHive 06-29-2017 03:11 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 616591)
You didn't read the article or even the quote I posted originally. He did spend time in prison. He spent *15 years* in federal prison. That clearly was not enough of a deterrent for him.
You clearly did not read what I posted.

Humans are humans, you can't stop them from killing only thing you can do is deter them.

And Kate's Law is way to do it. Maybe for him 15 years in prison wasn't enough and with Kate's Law they would of give him 50 years.

It is an all if and else statements.

Once again, similar to the harsh USA DUI laws. They don't prevent people from killing others while drunk, but at least deters those who get scared by the law.


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