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vft1008 09-02-2017 12:53 AM

Re: Trump: 'We love the Dreamers, We love everybody'
 
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Originally Posted by year2010 (Post 630689)
The logic side of me is saying no, the emotional side is saying yes. There's report saying in the later part of the press today, he said he has a good feeling about daca. Now, taking it with a grin of salt, but he used the same phrase in Arizona before he pardoned Arpaio, he had a good feeling. Who knows what that means! Plus with all that stuff happening today, more republicans came out supporting, a state pulled out the lawsuit. So, I'm praying that he will do something humane and good. Frankly, it's hard to even think right now. What do u guys think?

He's going to:
1. Order a phase-out cancellation of DACA.
2. Express vocal support for us.
3. State the program was originally an executive overreach.
4. Reiterate that we really terrific people and because of that, congress should act to give us legislation-based relief as it should have beeen to begin with.

This accomplishes:
1. The transfer of pressure and responsibility to Congress.
2. Takes us off his plate.
3. Shows (in his POV) how he could have just cancelled eveything, taken our EADs, and deported us, but didn't and therefore, shoes that this decision has heart behind it.
4. Makes most of his base happy since he ends the "Obama overreach in power".
5. Satisfies the AG lawsuit.... I think?


That's my bet on his actions, justification, and "logic".

JavierHTx 09-02-2017 12:54 AM

Re: Trump: 'We love the Dreamers, We love everybody'
 
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Originally Posted by cali_guy_31 (Post 630683)
When he was asked "should dreamers be worried", he made that face, lowered his voice and quickly said "we love dreamers, we love everyone" without even making an eye contact and couldn't say "no they shouldn't worry". His body language tells it all. He's definitely leaning towards ending it.

Of course he’s ending it. Every source outlet has been reporting it. The whole “it’s still under review” is bullshit he already made up his mind and he’s dragging it till Tuesday for a reason.

year2010 09-02-2017 01:03 AM

Re: Trump: 'We love the Dreamers, We love everybody'
 
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Originally Posted by JavierHTx (Post 630707)
Of course he’s ending it. Every source outlet has been reporting it. The whole “it’s still under review” is bullshit he already made up his mind and he’s dragging it till Tuesday for a reason.

What reason could that be?

frbc13 09-02-2017 01:32 AM

Re: Trump: 'We love the Dreamers, We love everybody'
 
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Originally Posted by year2010 (Post 630709)
What reason could that be?

Dem ratings!

eva02 09-02-2017 01:41 AM

Re: Trump: 'We love the Dreamers, We love everybody'
 
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Originally Posted by JavierHTx (Post 630707)
Of course he’s ending it. Every source outlet has been reporting it. The whole “it’s still under review” is bullshit he already made up his mind and he’s dragging it till Tuesday for a reason.

It's the date of the lawsuit, and also the date congress gets back to work.

This will build a lot of momentum to get a bill passed.

dabioalex 09-02-2017 01:53 AM

Re: Trump: 'We love the Dreamers, We love everybody'
 
have a hard time believing he ends it. people have already went nuts (in a good way) with speculation that it's ending. imagine the backlash he would get for actually ending it? and there will be no grandfathered option, that just doesn't make sense considering there's still ya know a court case and 9 angry white men/woman waiting for us on tuesday that want the program gone. two scenarios: he phases it out (let's permits expire) or he doesn't touch daca and calls out the dems to save the program in court

JavierHTx 09-02-2017 12:14 PM

Re: Trump: 'We love the Dreamers, We love everybody'
 
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Originally Posted by dabioalex (Post 630722)
have a hard time believing he ends it. people have already went nuts (in a good way) with speculation that it's ending. imagine the backlash he would get for actually ending it? and there will be no grandfathered option, that just doesn't make sense considering there's still ya know a court case and 9 angry white men/woman waiting for us on tuesday that want the program gone. two scenarios: he phases it out (let's permits expire) or he doesn't touch daca and calls out the dems to save the program in court

You think he cares about the backlash? The idiot banned trans from joining the armed forces and that was just vile. Trump doesn’t have a heart and he’s going to please his racist cult followers as much as he can to secure his 2nd term.

dtrt09 09-02-2017 12:19 PM

Re: Trump: 'We love the Dreamers, We love everybody'
 
I don't think leaving DACA in place to be challenged in court is a good idea: DACA is not law; it's policy. Just like TPS and non-DACA deferred action it is discretionary and allowing a court case to set precedent for this exercise would likely prevent it from being re-enacted by future policy.

What if he ends it; Congress can't get its shit togeter, and he decides to restart the program?? He could not do that if this goes to court because despite the well-intended PR, it's just like DAPA except one gives you an EAD for arriving before 16 and going to school; the other gave you an EAD for arriving by 2010 and having legal or citizen family members.

The time for the DreamAct and a solution is now. Congress should get to work.

carnivore 09-02-2017 12:21 PM

Re: Trump: 'We love the Dreamers, We love everybody'
 
Pass the original dream act!!!

SurfyB 09-02-2017 01:26 PM

Re: Trump: 'We love the Dreamers, We love everybody'
 
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Originally Posted by JavierHTx (Post 630782)
You think he cares about the backlash? The idiot banned trans from joining the armed forces and that was just vile. Trump doesn’t have a heart and he’s going to please his racist cult followers as much as he can to secure his 2nd term.

I hate it but couldn't agree more, what can we expect from someone who bans trans from military and pardons a felon who used to put immigrants in pink tents for shits and giggles?

Fuck man were so fucked is not even funny.

Still we need more stories like the paramedic in Houston that has DACA, I already sent our Dept PR a letter asking for permission to show myself in uniform let's see how that goes.


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