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BeansDreamtoo21 02-06-2018 11:06 PM

Re: Senator Dick Durbin
 
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Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 686862)
There is no reason why both can't be in place. Who does it hurt if someone comes here to work as a scientist using merit based and then brings his parents? For a lot of people who come from oppressive countries, going back to even visit them is a big risk so why shouldn't they have the right to take care of their family?

You want to talk merit based, do you think that all Dreamers are valedictorians and highly skilled scientists? I would bet you there are just as many Dreamers who are fast food workers, slackers, and landscapers but they are also pleading for compassion while supporting merit based.

You can't ask for compassion for dreamers while lacking it for US citizens who want to be with their family members. If we're going to go merit based, let's go all out. Only allow Dreamers with a PhD. MD, or higher. Engineer? who gives a shit, there are enough engineers here. Plumber? We don't need any Jose el plomero when Joe the Plumber is looking for work.

You and the others on here want to have it both ways. You want Americans to have compassion for you and only you while pulling the rug out from now just current undocumented immigrants, aged out dreamers, future dreamers, and people waiting to find a way to come here right now, but also to end ALL future immigration from anybody who is not already well to do. You have made up your mind that some guy 20 years from now who might cure cancer is not going to come here because he wasn't already a PhD. All potential is gone.

Chill bro noone is gonna take serious our opinions we are just a bunch of illegals in a forum. it is their decision to change the current system to a merit base system to keep being relevant and compete against other countries

dreamer__13 02-06-2018 11:11 PM

Re: Senator Dick Durbin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dtrt09 (Post 686864)
A Dream Act version will be voted on - amendments achieve what the bill being voted on lacks. You need to educate yourself.

LMFAO!!! Yes “a Dream Act version”... Nice try though. A for effort. Now wipe the foam off your mouth.

NotADreamerPerSe 02-06-2018 11:18 PM

Re: Senator Dick Durbin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 686862)
There is no reason why both can't be in place. Who does it hurt if someone comes here to work as a scientist using merit based and then brings his parents? For a lot of people who come from oppressive countries, going back to even visit them is a big risk so why shouldn't they have the right to take care of their family?

You want to talk merit based, do you think that all Dreamers are valedictorians and highly skilled scientists? I would bet you there are just as many Dreamers who are fast food workers, slackers, and landscapers but they are also pleading for compassion while supporting merit based.

You can't ask for compassion for dreamers while lacking it for US citizens who want to be with their family members. If we're going to go merit based, let's go all out. Only allow Dreamers with a PhD. MD, or higher. Engineer? who gives a shit, there are enough engineers here. Plumber? We don't need any Jose el plomero when Joe the Plumber is looking for work.

You and the others on here want to have it both ways. You want Americans to have compassion for you and only you while pulling the rug out from now just current undocumented immigrants, aged out dreamers, future dreamers, and people waiting to find a way to come here right now, but also to end ALL future immigration from anybody who is not already well to do. You have made up your mind that some guy 20 years from now who might cure cancer is not going to come here because he wasn't already a PhD. All potential is gone.

Well said. Some people here are delusional thinking that it's ok to overhaul the whole immigration system for 690K illegals. Not to mention that even trying to address it complicates this clusterfuck even further.

They haven't been able to find a solution for the Dreamers in five months. What makes people think that they're going to be able to come up with parameters for the merit system in a couple of weeks?

dtrt09 02-06-2018 11:22 PM

Re: Senator Dick Durbin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamer__13 (Post 686868)
LMFAO!!! Yes “a Dream Act version”... Nice try though. A for effort. Now wipe the foam off your mouth.

What do you think Dreamer relief is if not a version of the Dream Act?

Really, I am not interested in your trash writing. Ignore my posts.

pablo4k 02-06-2018 11:29 PM

Re: Senator Dick Durbin
 
Anybody knows what is the age gap to the proposals being discussed? Is it 16 or 18?

BeansDreamtoo21 02-06-2018 11:34 PM

Re: Senator Dick Durbin
 
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Originally Posted by pablo4k (Post 686874)
Anybody knows what is the age gap to the proposals being discussed? Is it 16 or 18?

If you are talking about trumps framework which they want to turn into a bill no. They didn't give an age of entry nor date we have to wait till they end negotiations.

CUSenior 02-06-2018 11:39 PM

Re: Senator Dick Durbin
 
Me temporarily being the libertarian1776 of this thread:
Damn. You all need to calm down. I understand everyone is on edge and pissed off about the inaction but attacking each other isn’t really going to accomplish anything besides making others feel even worse. We all have opinions but at the end of the day, the opinions of 536 people (if you don’t count Presidents Kelly and Miller) are the ones that matter. Whether or not family reunification is ended or not is something we have no control over and we’re just going to have to make do with what happens. Also, I highly doubt Dick Durbin will ever come across this thread.

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-06-2018 11:44 PM

Re: Senator Dick Durbin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NotADreamerPerSe (Post 686871)
Well said. Some people here are delusional thinking that it's ok to overhaul the whole immigration system for 690K illegals. Not to mention that even trying to address it complicates this clusterfuck even further.

They haven't been able to find a solution for the Dreamers in five months. What makes people think that they're going to be able to come up with parameters for the merit system in a couple of weeks?




Really tells you how easily people turn once they get theirs. They don't even have anything and already are trying to say who should be here and who shouldn't.


Trumps proposal didn't ask for everify and morons here were calling for it

chargers38 02-07-2018 12:06 AM

Re: Senator Dick Durbin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 686862)
There is no reason why both can't be in place. Who does it hurt if someone comes here to work as a scientist using merit based and then brings his parents? For a lot of people who come from oppressive countries, going back to even visit them is a big risk so why shouldn't they have the right to take care of their family?

You want to talk merit based, do you think that all Dreamers are valedictorians and highly skilled scientists? I would bet you there are just as many Dreamers who are fast food workers, slackers, and landscapers but they are also pleading for compassion while supporting merit based.

You can't ask for compassion for dreamers while lacking it for US citizens who want to be with their family members. If we're going to go merit based, let's go all out. Only allow Dreamers with a PhD. MD, or higher. Engineer? who gives a shit, there are enough engineers here. Plumber? We don't need any Jose el plomero when Joe the Plumber is looking for work.

You and the others on here want to have it both ways. You want Americans to have compassion for you and only you while pulling the rug out from now just current undocumented immigrants, aged out dreamers, future dreamers, and people waiting to find a way to come here right now, but also to end ALL future immigration from anybody who is not already well to do. You have made up your mind that some guy 20 years from now who might cure cancer is not going to come here because he wasn't already a PhD. All potential is gone.

Regarding your first paragraph: Definitely, a solution that has both would be ideal. The proposed reform has said that for immediate family members, they will be allowed to bring their husband/wife and children. I think that parents should be allowed in too(if not being some type of visa, which they can already have, but one that lasts longer), but I think that allowing that person to sponsor a brother/sister who is over the age of 21 should not be allowed. The reason being that it would be hard for the brother/sister to support themselves here. Maybe a system where 80% of the immigrants have to come from the merit based pool, while the rest come from those who apply regularly(do not need merit based qualifications to apply) is a good starting point.

2nd Paragraph: Definitely, if you work hard or show that you have academic success, then I would not consider it hypocrisy. If you do not do any of these two things, then you should not be saying anything about wanting a merit based system. For me, it has always been if you work hard or have the talent, then you should be giving a chance, if you do not, too bad. I once proposed here that Dreamer's need to have a GPA higher than a 2.0, and I got killed for it. I said that because of all the Dreamers that I know, about close to half do not even care about school. They would rather work in the jobs that our parent's work in(landscaping, cleaning homes, construction) than go to college or find a decent vocational job. And no on is saying that Dreamer's have to have jobs in STEM, just an AS degree or a good vocational job will do. Same thing with the merit based system, one where if you show that in your previous country you have graduated from secondary school in good standing, and you have a skill(whether you got a degree or show that you have a good skilled job) then you should be able to emigrate.

Paragraph 3: I already talked about the bottom half of your comment. For US citizen's, it would not matter if the majority do want a merit based system. Listen, some US citizens will get screwed regardless of what law you put up because that is how it is. With Obamacare, some could not get the same coverage while others got coverage, without Obamacare, some will get better coverage while others will lose it.

Paragraph 4: I welcome any immigrant, aged out dreamer, future dreamer that has the drive/talent to want to do well.

Also, why do you keep using extreme examples? No one is talking an extreme position where only those who have an IQ of 150, have PHD, will be allowed to join. Or that every immigrant that comes here will cure cancer, aids, solve world hunger.

chargers38 02-07-2018 12:09 AM

Re: Senator Dick Durbin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 686862)
There is no reason why both can't be in place. Who does it hurt if someone comes here to work as a scientist using merit based and then brings his parents? For a lot of people who come from oppressive countries, going back to even visit them is a big risk so why shouldn't they have the right to take care of their family?

You want to talk merit based, do you think that all Dreamers are valedictorians and highly skilled scientists? I would bet you there are just as many Dreamers who are fast food workers, slackers, and landscapers but they are also pleading for compassion while supporting merit based.

You can't ask for compassion for dreamers while lacking it for US citizens who want to be with their family members. If we're going to go merit based, let's go all out. Only allow Dreamers with a PhD. MD, or higher. Engineer? who gives a shit, there are enough engineers here. Plumber? We don't need any Jose el plomero when Joe the Plumber is looking for work.

You and the others on here want to have it both ways. You want Americans to have compassion for you and only you while pulling the rug out from now just current undocumented immigrants, aged out dreamers, future dreamers, and people waiting to find a way to come here right now, but also to end ALL future immigration from anybody who is not already well to do. You have made up your mind that some guy 20 years from now who might cure cancer is not going to come here because he wasn't already a PhD. All potential is gone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NotADreamerPerSe (Post 686871)
Well said. Some people here are delusional thinking that it's ok to overhaul the whole immigration system for 690K illegals. Not to mention that even trying to address it complicates this clusterfuck even further.

They haven't been able to find a solution for the Dreamers in five months. What makes people think that they're going to be able to come up with parameters for the merit system in a couple of weeks?

If you are talking about me, my position regarding a merit based system still holds regardless if we get relief or not. I do not want them to rush in and make a merit based system so soon. It definitely takes time to come up with a good solution, and rushing in bills is a bad thing.


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