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Demise 01-29-2021 02:36 PM

Re: Durbin, Graham teaming up on immigration bill
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tyler129 (Post 756655)
there exist many legal immigrants w/ work visas who applied for PR & they r against DA bc they believe that we will slow down their process of getting PR.

u heard it rite.

they r literally against us bc they think that we would slow down the USCIS processes of obtaining their PR.

Yeah they're also all salty H-1B Indians that want to offload the problem that their IT staffing companies caused onto the rest of world. Right now fixing their horseshit would either require a de facto amnesty similar to the agricultural program in IRCA 1986 or outright exclusion until the backlog is resolved and then putting a per country quota on their H-1Bs.

bigdreamer2010 01-29-2021 02:53 PM

Re: Durbin, Graham teaming up on immigration bill
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 756660)
How long will democrats stay in power if they abolish the filibuster? Are we assuming that if the more hardcore members of the GOP regain the government that they won't undo everything that was done with a simple majority vote? That they wont go after our GC and revoke our citizenship. They would be able to pass a bill to do just that; we could sue but then the courts are in the GOP's favor. Imagine if the GOP killed the filibuster as Trump was demanding they do.. what would have happened to us then. I am frustrated by the Senate and their inability to pass anything but there needs to be some kind of check on the party in power.

The party that kills the filibuster will undoubtedly lose control of the senate in the following midterms.

I think the only way forward is through bipartisan support. I could be wrong but I don't see it happening with just the support of a single party. Even if the Dems did kill the filibuster, you are assuming that all dem senators will vote for the bill... including the ones in deep-red states.

LOL. The democrats support popular legislation:

74% of Americans support the Dream Act (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...y-as-children/)

78% of Americans support another $2000 stimulus check (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ts-in-georgia/)

67% of Americans support a $15 minimum wage (https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-a...-minimum-wage/)

94% of Americans support universal background checks for gun purchases (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univer...rivate%20sales.)

Democrats should not allow Republicans to prevent them from delivering legislation that is supported by a sizable majority of the population. If Republicans want to pass their unpopular legislation then let them. The people will show up at the ballot box.

john_smith 01-29-2021 02:58 PM

Re: Durbin, Graham teaming up on immigration bill
 
Something to keep in mind 95% of people commenting on the fox news article aren't regular Republicans, most comes from anti-immgrant forums sites, is what they do. Do you think regular Republicans would educate themselves on keeping track what happened a decade ago on immigration? They come from competing forums and act like if they were the voice of mainstream

Pianoswithoutfaith 01-29-2021 03:01 PM

Re: Durbin, Graham teaming up on immigration bill
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by john_smith (Post 756666)
Something to keep in mind 95% of people commenting on the fox news article aren't regular Republicans, most comes from anti-immgrant forums sites, is what they do. Do you think regular Republicans would educate themselves on keeping track what happened a decade ago on immigration? They come from competing forums and act like if they were the voice of mainstream

Not to mention people who negative feel strong about something will speaker louder than those that don’t

Swim19 01-29-2021 03:27 PM

Re: Durbin, Graham teaming up on immigration bill
 
hard to see any compromise coming when the GOP protect members like these:

@KaivanShroff
BREAKING:
@SpeakerPelosi
had to directly intervene to move
@CoriBush’s office away from Marjorie Taylor Greene’s after an altercation took place.

Greene has repeatedly encouraged violence against Democratic officials.

Got_Daca 01-29-2021 03:31 PM

Re: Durbin, Graham teaming up on immigration bill
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 756670)
hard to see any compromise coming when the GOP protect members like these:

@KaivanShroff
BREAKING:
@SpeakerPelosi
had to directly intervene to move
@CoriBush’s office away from Marjorie Taylor Greene’s after an altercation took place.

Greene has repeatedly encouraged violence against Democratic officials.

Marjorie is insane though

eva02 01-29-2021 03:46 PM

Re: Durbin, Graham teaming up on immigration bill
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 756660)
How long will democrats stay in power if they abolish the filibuster? Are we assuming that if the more hardcore members of the GOP regain the government that they won't undo everything that was done with a simple majority vote? That they wont go after our GC and revoke our citizenship. They would be able to pass a bill to do just that; we could sue but then the courts are in the GOP's favor. Imagine if the GOP killed the filibuster as Trump was demanding they do.. what would have happened to us then. I am frustrated by the Senate and their inability to pass anything but there needs to be some kind of check on the party in power.

The party that kills the filibuster will undoubtedly lose control of the senate in the following midterms.

I think the only way forward is through bipartisan support. I could be wrong but I don't see it happening with just the support of a single party. Even if the Dems did kill the filibuster, you are assuming that all dem senators will vote for the bill... including the ones in deep-red states.

It’s only a matter of time. The GOP will get desperate and do away with it with their crazy ass base.

Democrats have the power to kill the filibuster and expand voting rights. Who cares if they lose the senate if Biden is president and the democrats can do better once they dismantle gerrymandered maps.

2022 is going to be a blood bath for democrats and more GOP far right crazies will enter the house

IamAman 01-30-2021 12:30 AM

Re: Durbin, Graham teaming up on immigration bill
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 756660)
How long will democrats stay in power if they abolish the filibuster? Are we assuming that if the more hardcore members of the GOP regain the government that they won't undo everything that was done with a simple majority vote? That they wont go after our GC and revoke our citizenship. They would be able to pass a bill to do just that; we could sue but then the courts are in the GOP's favor. Imagine if the GOP killed the filibuster as Trump was demanding they do.. what would have happened to us then. I am frustrated by the Senate and their inability to pass anything but there needs to be some kind of check on the party in power.

The party that kills the filibuster will undoubtedly lose control of the senate in the following midterms.

I think the only way forward is through bipartisan support. I could be wrong but I don't see it happening with just the support of a single party. Even if the Dems did kill the filibuster, you are assuming that all dem senators will vote for the bill... including the ones in deep-red states.

I really don't think much damage would be done. The worst that can happen is they would lose the house and/or the senate after 2 years. Democrats have the presidency for the next 4 years so at least for 4 years, the Republicans can't do a damn thing if the Democrats pass everything they've been waiting to pass in the next 2 years. After 4 years, who knows what would happen...Dems can still hold on to power and even if there is a Republican president/house/senate, what are they going to do? Make green card holders illegal again? Make DC not be a state anymore?

The Dems might lose the senate and/or the house regardless so might as well go for broke and keep the base happy.

Charolastra 01-30-2021 01:28 AM

Re: Durbin, Graham teaming up on immigration bill
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 756660)
How long will democrats stay in power if they abolish the filibuster? Are we assuming that if the more hardcore members of the GOP regain the government that they won't undo everything that was done with a simple majority vote? That they wont go after our GC and revoke our citizenship. They would be able to pass a bill to do just that; we could sue but then the courts are in the GOP's favor. Imagine if the GOP killed the filibuster as Trump was demanding they do.. what would have happened to us then. I am frustrated by the Senate and their inability to pass anything but there needs to be some kind of check on the party in power.

The party that kills the filibuster will undoubtedly lose control of the senate in the following midterms.

I think the only way forward is through bipartisan support. I could be wrong but I don't see it happening with just the support of a single party. Even if the Dems did kill the filibuster, you are assuming that all dem senators will vote for the bill... including the ones in deep-red states.

This is the kind of thinking that is keeping us in this situation.

They were afraid to fight for Al Gore, they were afraid to fight for CIR in 2007, they were afraid to fight for gun legislation during Obama, they were afraid to fight for Medicare for All, and now they will be afraid to fight to have their legislation passed through.

Democrats currently support legislation that is extremely popular with the American public. A voter in 2022 or 2o24 isn't going to give two flying dogshits about them nuking an archaic and retarded Senate rule, they're going to care whether Trump was convicted, whether a COVID package was passed, whether voting rights were expanded, and whether undocumented immigrants were legalized.

Being afraid of nuking the filibuster is for people who have sex in the dark.

john_smith 01-30-2021 03:03 AM

Re: Durbin, Graham teaming up on immigration bill
 
Democrats will keep the senate in the mid terms.
I don't know about the house, maybe they lose.
In any case they better rid of the filibuster and pass some shit.


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