Obama takes immigration reform off priority list this year
 

That is what this article is saying but I haven't seen or read any recent quote by the President or his staff this is so.Maybe someone from DAP may have seen or read something ?
That last quote I can believe as the President has been extremely quiet on the subject of immigration.Anyway,it doesn't really change much as the real reason for this sight is to get the Dream act passed,not CIR.

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long story short, lets forget about immigration reform this year?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Examiner

Take what they report with a grain of salt. This also reminds me of the washington times article claiming Obama has reversed his stance on immigration.

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I am wondering how it was going to happen this year. I am hearing talks about a healthcare reform bill emerging in June with final passage in October. I don't see how CIR could fit in, especially with the expected flare up of the public option.

I guessing we will know early June if CIR has a chance this year. If Obama nominates Sonia Sotomayer to the Supreme Court, then CIR might be off the table since it would be seen a enough of a gesture to the latino community.

Anyway, if people perceive that CIR isn't doable this year, then they will probably focus on what is.

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blah blah blah

I wish they would just tell us if Dream is happening this year or not.

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again, CIR will be a tough sell this year. we need to focus on DREAM as a stand alone.

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Yes,it does appear that the conservative news columns are grabbing at straws at this point,hence why I was looking for any confirmation & posted it.It doesn't matter where the information comes from just as long as we can get some accuracy on what is actually going on.

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as other people said, its a very conservative newspaper. I wouldn't even call it news paper, b/c there are no news in it. Its more of a propaganda machine for republican party. I wouldn't take their word seriously.

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Wouldnt he look bad since he was just on tv saying he wanted to take this on ??

Politics ughh

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so witch one is it? is the source reliable or not? did he remove CIR off hes firs year?

as far as DA as a standalone, forget about it, Durbin wont do it.

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SH*T!!! THIS IS BULLSH*T!!!! CIR is freaking tough! Obama is a leir too. he forgot what he said during the presidency election!! immigration reform has to do it in the first years, and DA should start immidately

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Again, there is no point of pulling the hairs out of the head. Just because a newspaper is conservative and free, it does not mean they are lying. They are simply giving the facts as they see them. Combined with the liberal newspapers, once analyzed, you get the truth.

Also, if CIR is off the table, it does not mean DA is on the table or becomes a priority. It might as well, happen what happened in 2007 when after the failure of CIR, very few organizations and politicians pull the necessary muscle to pass DA. Our campions decided that DA was too small to be worth the effort and the risk.

DA is going to become a priority if we work hard to put it on the politicians consciousness and making it a priority. If DA passes attach to CIR is because we were lazy and pro-CIR groups got us there.

It does not matter how good, nice, attractive, gifted, smart you are. Bills get pass by people who roll their sleeves and do the hard work of creating power to make it so.

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I fail to see how this means no CIR this year.

All i can see is from the article is that, the author believes that CIR is off the list this year. Then the author has used a few anti-reformist quotes to prove his point.

So in conclusion, this article is not stating facts, but rather analyzing if CIR will pass this year and argues that it wont. But in my opinion this article is biased. The author is using ONLY negative/anti-reformist quotes.

This year, we have had many people say that we will have CIR and many saying that we wont. The author of this article is just trying to please it's conservative readers by writing it like that. A good article would give out both sides of the isle and leave the thinking to the readers ( at most just state his/her opinion only after writing about both pro/con sides of the debate).


All i know, CIR is in the committee and is being worked on. Also president has said couple of times ( even this year) that he would to finish it this.

Also many other credible sources and senators believe that it will get voted on at the end of this year ( I.E. senator Schumer). I think even president Obama has said he wants it to voted on this year. He has never once said that he has taken it off his priority lists. Actually few days ago he even mentioned that he is trying to have it done this year.


So I hope people stop being negative. This article means nothing. I am not saying CIR will pass this year or voted on this year, but at the same time i am not going to agree with people who say it wont. In the end, it all depends. All we can do is to try our best and then wait and see.

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While this publication is pretty conservative, I don't think Julie Mason is. I've seen her a couple times on Contessa Brewer's show as the token moderate.

Having said that, she has been accused of putting words into president Obama's mouth before. Specifically, to sort of justify the teabaggers' shenanigans last month.

All in all, I would not really take her word as a credible source. Certainly not against the multiple reports suggesting otherwise.

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wouldn't the opposition like it better if it reads "Obama to pass immigration reform this year"... i think it would get them more mad. the purpose of these conservative articles is to get the public outraged.

how would the public be outraged if they see that its off the priority list?

damn it im soo smart

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When did durbin tell you this?:roll:

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Really? There is a limit to what we can do; we are undocumented afterall. I think the work some people have done for the Dream Act is incredible given the circumstances. Personally, I want to do more, but the time and resources haven't been there. Of course, since the semester is almost over, there should be a pick up in action, but If I had any sort of legal status, I would move to D.C., and campaign for the DA as much as I could. That of course isn't the case. Anyway, we fall into the 17-30 age range. How do you expect the younger part of that group to forget about school, magically get a driver's license, and start campaigning? This is the "Achllie's Heel" of the DA. Please remember that.

I also think the lazy remark is misplaced. Look at how thinks are done in the Senate. There are very few bills passed standalone. Actually, there are very few bills passed in Senate in general. I think less than 1% percent of bills introduced in the Senate actually end up passing. I think in President O's book, he said in 2004, only 12 bills actually passed the senate. Senators know this so they usually attach bills to larger bills. That is just how it is. This is why people say, "Lets do it comprehensively." They know it would be difficult to do each piece individually so they "band together." Sad thing is when the comprehensive option is off the table, as what happened to CIR in 2007, as you said, "Very few politicians and organizations will pull their muscle to pass the DA." Interestingly, the DA didn't need to muscle in 2007 since it still came up for a vote. There just wasn't any time.

Finally, you seem to be in favor of the comprehensive option. That is great, I am not against it either. What I am against is when bills are held back from passing, because people want them to pass comprehensively. So, if CIR will happen this year, let it happen. If it isn't, then trust me, if I see CIR advocates hold the DA back this year, then I will not support a comprehensive option in the future.

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yeah i'd like to know too.

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I agree with "questionsihave"... some of you think that some of us are against CIR, our parents would benefit from CIR; and we all love our parents.

but CIR is holding us back allot. don't forget that there is an age limit on DA. CIR is more universal. Obama is very smart, hes trying to show the public that he has the power to secure the borders, and that he will be able to enforce the law after CIR; cause don't forget, people who have been here less than 2 years; they will be ordered removed, people who been here 2-5 years will be required to go to a port of entry and apply, people who been here 5+ years would apply directly; so all that CIR law would have to be enforced. including labor laws. (the reason why its set up like this, is because its not an Amnesty, its not for everyone; its especially made to benefit the ones who have laid down roots here. and we all know that living here for 1 year isn't really laying down roots)
this current bill may be a bit different; but its basically the same game-plan as to who would qualify according to length of residence.

now don't forget that just because we are all descent people, don't mean that every undocumented person in the U.S is, the point of the bill is to also separate the future contributors from the abusers.

Durbin didn't tell me that he wont push for DA as a standalone. but Obama made it clear he doesn't want things done in pieces.

The Amnesty that happen in 86' benefited only about 3 million undocumented people. now, its 4 times more. so you all have to understand; its not easy at all.
Senator Schummer (NY) said that he will have a bill up for vote by October; late fall. and Shummer is a crazy SOB; he can work miracles. I personally believe what the senators say, rather than some one sided media.

p.s.
you are all fat

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The 2007 cir bill didn't even look like what you described above. The 2006 CIR bill had the 3 tier system ,but everyone who had been in the U.S before jan 1 2007 would have qualified under the 2007 immigration bill.

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Border Security and Immigration Reform Act of 2007

IN GENERAL- The alien must establish that the alien entered the United States before January 1, 2002, and that he has resided continuously in the United States in an unlawful status since such date and through the date the application is filed under this subsection.

PAYMENT OF FINE- The alien must pay to the Secretary of Homeland Security a fine in the amount of $1,000.

$1,000 damn that's it????

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well first of all, i think what is true is that CIR is very likely NOT going to happen this year while DA is possible BUT is not the priority on the mind of the White House Administration because, the WHA had said in the past, "we will begin on our Health Care reform".

To the WHA, most of the DA pariticaptians have already waited for years, then, why not another year?
Plus, to the WHA, what is more important? HCR seems to be a bigger deal because it's legal, in the first place, again, there is nothing ILLEGAL.
Maybe we will still have a chance if they do pass the HCR in a quick mode..... since Democratic is controlling the entire Congress.

So I suppose, even though the report said WHA isn't going to focus on neither DA nor CIR, I just believe it is still somehow true. Maybe not, we will never know. But as far as IN THE REALITY, DA and CIR is never their priority. Some people may even demand border security act stand alone before CIR.

I am still hoping for DA in the late 2009, hopefully. All we can do is do well in school, help each other out.

And of course, wait.

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Where are you getting your information from? I am pretty sure the entry date was set at Jan 1, 2007.


http://truthlaidbear.com/immigrationbill.php

They even applied that criteria to the dream act.

One other thing i liked about the 2007 cir bill was that, we would have gotten immediate relief once the bill was signed into law. I hope they do that for whatever bill passes this year so that we don't have to wait 6 months before we can apply for temporary legal status.

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i got it from http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-2413

many versions came out during that time, but I doubt it will be an Amnesty, witch means even if someone has been here for 6 months; would qualify. Obama and congress made it very clear that its for people who have laid roots here.

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easy for you to say, for some of us; there is no 2010

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You are talking about the house version which was never debated on.

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Oh brother... :roll:

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why, i don't get it.

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im fighting my deportation case, others are hitting the age limit, others are done with college, others may get deported anytime.

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^ What he said.

Others may want to play devil's advocate to play some sort of parlor game or a way to push some utterly worthless opinion but all indications do point to 2009 as the year for immigration reform. The President likes to lay groundwork before launching an initiative and won't start to talk about issues in the future especially when other priorities like universal health care reform are currently taking up oxygen on the agenda list.

Case in point, the Senate will discuss the Credit Card Bill of Rights bill next week with the President pushing the bill in his latest correspondences to the public. We didn't hear anything about this bill until about a week or so ago. So like what buhraat said, the Majority Leader said he wants immigration in the Fall and the White House and Congressional Leaders do work together on setting the agenda.

Oh and Alex, we're pulling for you. Keep fighting, and we can get the Dream Act through either as a stand alone or through CIR (bet on this option) this year.

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Come on guys, once AGAIN, all it took is one news article with the usual media speculations to bring some of you down, even induce schetzo in some cases (Look at Kenny's post)... Aren't we better than this? Just think about it for a second, for every article saying there won't be an immigration reform, there are 10 others saying it will happen this year.

Learn to think critically and not give into journalists' rhetorics. The fight isn't over until the legislative calendar stops with Durbin saying "Sorry we tried."

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i am so pissed when i read this kind of news, because they are not truth. but after that i am going to peace! forgive me K-MAN, LOL

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thank you CIR_DREAM2009 and evil monkey. i guess it makes everyone's day when we talk positive :)

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Thanks for pointing this out K-Man we need to chill out.

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I am not in favor or CIR being attached with DA. I am in favor of Dream becoming a reality this year, no matter how. Still, every time a member makes that statement to prove their point, they use a vs language or better than thou attitude that hurts DA. You complain about the damn flags on the parade, well, I think the same about Dreamers that go around an make it harder for us to convince people and groups to work for Dream. And yes, pro-DA is pro-CIR for them.

As for the powerless thing, a group of field workers rented a bus and went to lobby to back then president Bush about school funding for their kids. They didn't speak English, no DL, no high school diploma, they did more than us with much less. btw, they got their money. I am 28, and the limits of the undocumented life are clear to me after 15 years of the life. Also, after listening to people cry for their many problems, I can distinguish the different between self-pity and self-compassion.

Honestly, some members need to stop the self-pity thing. When someone else does a mistake we feel entitled to ask for the maximum punishment or minimized their pain. Then why is it wrong for me to call lazy, the people who should do something about their own situation? I am not Jesus. There is not a leave your family and earthly possessions clause. I am not even asking you to do what I think it should be done. Still, everyone knows in their brains, if they are doing what they can do for the passage of DA.

What a person can do is very limited. A small group of people can do more than one. A big group of people can do much more, and if other groups of people join them, then anything is possible. Still, here, it seems that many of you think that because you have a bachelor, the sea should separate its waters for you to walk across. I am just stating that it is not the case.

Again, for the record, I am in favor of any type of calculation that makes DA possible this year. After that, I guess I am with you that I am not going to support CIR or DA or anything because I am going to deport myself back to Mexico. I love California and I care deeply for you guys but I am also in love with home equity and making money for a living. I am doing everything in my power to pass DA but if it is not enough, then it is time to say goodbye.

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as far as i know, there is still hope. i doubt CIR will pass this year and if DA is attatched to it then some of us our fu#ked... A lot of ppl are saying they wont do DA as a stand alone bill, why? is it cause Mr. President doesnt want things done in pieces? theres no reason to talk about this i mean all we can do is keep hopeing, and fighting for CIR/DA. i say around SEPT. or OCT. we're going to know whats gonna happen with all this shit... remember, dont believe everything you read!

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I think this tireless debate keeps coming up, because of the obvious disagreement on the level of influence we have as a campaign group.

There are extremists at both spectrums, some of us here think we have 90 ~ 100% influence on the legislative calendar, whereas others think 10 ~ 20%. Realistically, it's probably somewhere in the middle (yes that's pretty vague.)

We fight for the cause because that's all we can do (and should, to the best of our abilities), not because it's entirely in our hands, as some members see it. There's a point where self importance takes over and turns into illusion. I disagree with the notion of "not getting what we wanted because we were lazy," when in fact it'd be more like "not getting what we wanted because the congressmen decided that would be the case." That's regardless of how much campaigning we did.


I'm not putting down anyone's efforts, because I know that it matters, and it does make a difference. When I make a call, I know it tallies up at the senator's office as a positive change, or the media attention some of you guys can manage is amazing.

On that note, I'm just saying we should be careful how we address our influence. The senators are the ONLY people who have direct outcome on the legislation (they're the ones who vote, not us,) and we as a group have to do our parts being an indirect influence. It'd be naive to think that if Dream fails this year, we're to blame for not being active enough, or in the case of it passing, overly exaggerating our efforts as the sole reason for its success - which is the worse of the two in my opinion.


"Bigger & Better" pro-organizations than Dream students have been pushing for immigration reforms for almost a decade now, since Dream was first introduced, and if it happens this year, it'll most likely be due to the political climate change (again, which we have an indirect effect on.)

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Not necessarily. Think of it this way. If we read an article that is positive , we are going to be more excited and try more and more for it to get passed. We are going to be thinking, we are almost there and our moral will go up and our efforts will become much more efficient.
If it is a bad article, a lot of people will lose hope and the moral goes down and thus our efforts become less efficient.

It is the same with negative articles. The opposition would feel the same as us.


So conclusion:

we should try our best and wait for the results. Talking about if it will happen or will not happen is not going to make it happen.

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i dont understand how some people refuse to see things as they are. obama has said numerous times that energy and health care reform will have priority over immigration whatsoever. they may be initializing intro talks on immigration reform, but they are not gonna push it full throttle this year, not unless they accomplish energy and healthcare in 3 months, which is highly unlikely.

what we do need is to have congress pass border enforcement and baby step approach to legalizing millions....meaning DA has to come up along with may be AGjobs as standalone

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I don't want to get into an argument, but I do want to clarify four points.

1. I wasn't looking for pity, nor do I want people to feel pity for us. I understand politics very well, and pity wont take you very far. Life is tough. As Rep.Ted Poe would say, "That is just the way it is."

2. I thought your lazy comment was a slap in the face to the people working hard for this cause. If the DA passes with CIR, it wouldn't because DA advocates were lazy, but because congress saw that the comprehensive route was doable and went for it.

3. I don't know why you would want us to do what those did field workers. Many brave dreamers have already testified about their situation in Congress. In the end it's all about politics.

4. I don't think having a college degree makes one more "deserving" for legalization over another. Even if one were more deserving, I wouldn't fall into that category since I am still an undergraduate.


Edit: Just saw what K-man posted, and I would agree 100% with it.