Reid Dashes Hope Of Quick Work On Immigration Reform
 

Ambivalence is the best word I can think of now that describes our function-less Federal democracy.I guess Reid changed his mind.

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I have said it once and I'll say it again immigration reform ain't gonna happen this year, DREAM AS A STAND ALONE!!!

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What does he mean by "this work period"? Because in the other article he mentioned sometime in June...

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This.

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Here is a schedule of the work period he is talking about.

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/leg...0_schedule.htm

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Looking at the work period link that lilbawler2001 gave, does it mean that Reid is saying he won't deal with immigration till after the memorial day holiday? If true than maybe he didn't lie, I did hear mention of doing CIR in the summer so i guess his word still counts... for now. but like mona lisa said, talk is cheap

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Thanks.

Based on this, I'll remain cautiously optimistic that Sen. Reid will keep his promise.

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Wow, this CIR hype lasted even less than Spitzer's Driver License proposal.

Great stuff, y'all.

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Wow, seems like lots of people got their menarche today.

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First response: EEEEWWWWW

Second response: :lol:

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This was predicted. It just means not before Memorial Day that is around the corner. The goal is to pass this before the mid-term elections.

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Not necessarily.

CIR could be discussed before the elections and passed in the subsequent lame duck session. Outgoing legislators would have absolutely nothing to lose. Not that this is the best case scenario, but it's certainly an option.

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If they don't start work till Memorial Day, a bill won't come to the floor weeks/ months until after that... which is too late for a vote before mid-terms, because no one is gonna go for that vote so close to the election.

IMHO, they are moderately serious about getting a floor vote in both houses of congress in December, during the lame duck session, so that retirees and those voted out of office can vote their hearts and others have a loooong time before they have to run again. The 1986 bill was passed with this timing. The sun seems to be setting quickly on a pre-midterms vote, and that might mean getting a more favorable bill in the end, with less enforcement/ criminalization to make it politically more palatable.

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Immigration will be done by Fall ('09)
Immigration must be done in the small window of opportunity in Feb/March '10
Immigration Bill must be brought to a vote by the end of April '10
Immigration (we hope) might be done in the Summer '10
Immigration will be best after the elections (this is the stupidest idea yet. Yeah, the more potential Republicans in Congress,the bigger chance CIR has of passing! From what pipe are you all smoking?)...

The Senate and president found time to bail out the crooks in Wall Street that ruined the country and cost millions their jobs; pulled drilling 0ff-shore out of the proverbial nothing as it really accomplishes nothing, but you cannot legalize millions and add them to the taxpayer base for much needed revenue?

In the meantime, waiting has given us another terrorist attempt in December of last year; lost of control of the Senate in January; LAME health-insurance reform; and the most awesome of all, another Supreme Court fight looming ahead. Sure, we should let the pressure down. Who doesn't want to wait for the next criminal to come unhinged on a plane or subway? Because you know, then it will be a good time to legalize foreigners. The Democrats are all idiots.

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http://www.irishcentral.com/story/ne...-90794849.html


Harry Reid needs to stop flip flopping on immigration reform


Memo to Harry Reid: It's time to stop flip flopping on immigration reform.


You can't go telling a huge rally in your home state one thing (that immigration reform is on the Senate's agenda) and then saying another thing Tuesday in D.C. (that immigration reform is off the Senate's agenda.)

Make your mind up Harry.


You can't have it both ways.


On Saturday you wanted the Latino vote and Tuesday you want what exactly?


Reid was speaking Tuesday after the Democratic caucus luncheons.


"We have a lot of work to do," Reid said. "And we're dealing, everyone has to understand, with a party of no, that they're trying to stop everything."

We get that Harry.


But if the Republicans are "the party of no," what are the Democrats?


The party of "wait your turn for another 10 years?"


"We won't get to immigration reform this work period," he said.

Well that's not what you said Saturday Harry when you boosted the hopes of millions with your much publicized remarks in Nevada.


Just in case you've forgotten, here's a sound bite.

“We need to do this this year...We cannot wait.”

“We’re going to pass immigration reform, just as we passed health care reform."

So which is it Harry?

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I think it all comes down to one thing,progress !

There have been no immigration hearings at all this year to even publicly showcase they are trying & one can only punt so many times a year unless one is into golf.I think when the Democrats didn't initiate anything seriously in Committee[like a mark-up] early in the last session they simply weren't serious because Immigration imo is far more complicated than healthcare.

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Senator Reid is saying that immigration won't be talked about until June/early July, hence his statement, "we won't get to immigration reform in this work period."

source

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I think the bill is ready, it probably need some touch ups. They have been working on it for a while.

Was there as much support in 1986 as we do in the recent years?

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I believe the voting results in the Senate were pretty darn close. I don't remember the exact voting results in the Senate or House though.

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Actually, I think you say it in every other post. :lol:

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Hahahahahahahahha oh snap.

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Did you not hear dtrt09? Democrats are all idiots and you're just puffing the bong.

Puff, puff, pass.

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This guys have no courage, support needs to come from bottom up, ,..

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Here is a history of the vote from 1986. It initially passed the Senate in 1985, with 69 votes, but didn't pass the House until a year later, and the conference report only passed with 63 votes. BUT the point is they worked on the bill for over a year after introduction, and we don't have no year to work with, only a few months.

DAUser, it seems they had a lot more support in Congress. Popular support was a very different thing just because the ethnic makeup of the country was different, and so was the immigration system.

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See, I actually believe Harry Reid is sincere when he says that he wants to bring an immigration reform bill to the floor. I fault him because he is the leader of the Senate. And as such, if you have all the intentions of passing legislation you demand of your appropriate commitee to produce you a finished bill so that it can be voted on the floor. I think in the caucus meeting today he faced resistance or outright opposition to doing this. And from his own party members at that. I stand by my opinion that the Democrats are idiots.

No, the liars are Schumer and Obama. There is not a f****ing bill. That's the problem. I do believe Sen. Reid when he says that he has about 56 votes. That's a lot more than healthcare had prior to forcing a vote on it. So IF Schumer and Obama had come up with a reasonable, efficient and fair bill, we would just need to open a blip of time in the next couple weeks in the agenda, and either it passes or it doesn't.

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I'm actually with dtrt09 on this one; there is no bill. They always say it will be introduced soon, but if you guys remember, the original date for introduction was LABOR DAY (not Memorial Day) and that f***ing thing is in September. Not to mention that a promise of a bill is so much better for them than introducing and voting on it in an election year. They will probably introduce it in like July, say there is no time to vote on it this year and this way basically preserve their entire voting base in support of immigration. I mean, come on, who's going to vote for someone else if it is these officials that got the bill on the floor.

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Come on people! Reid is testing us too see if there will be any political backlash for flip flopping on immigration!

This is the time to make the phone calls and tell him its not right and that we will remember his broken promise come election time!

Stop bashing and get on the phone now!

I believe his number is 702-388-5020 Im about to call now, everyone do the same!

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[quote=gebodupa;155183]I'm actually with dtrt09 on this one; there is no bill. They always say it will be introduced soon, but if you guys remember, the original date for introduction was LABOR DAY (not Memorial Day) and that f***ing thing is in September. Not to mention that a promise of a bill is so much better for them than introducing and voting on it in an election year. They will probably introduce it in like July, say there is no time to vote on it this year and this way basically preserve their entire voting base in support of immigration. I mean, come on, who's going to vote for someone else if it is these officials that got the bill on the floor.[/QUOTE]

I'll tell you who: My siblings, mother and a lot of my friends; all of whom are far more liberal than people imagine. They are all p****d off that the Dems compromise on anything and can't find a single thing worth a fight. They'll vote for true progressives.

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I am guessing they have 80% or so of a bill, which will be the same as previous bills, but are trying to figure out the other 20% in such a way as to get the mythical Bipartisanship (beyond Graham). Oh, and if they introduce a bill in July, they can wait til December to vote on it. It's all a question of whether you think they are sincere or pandering to a demographic in their state who they [reid] need to vote for them if they have a prayer of reelection. On some level they all want a bill. What they are willing to risk for it is another question. So far, seems like not much.

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We KNOW that they are pandering - but we don't care. Finish the bill. The current bill is the Republican bill. I want to see the Democratic bill. The healthcare reform bill was mostly the Republican bill that McCain had proposed in 2007. Yet it is misrepresented as a Democrat legislation. This is what Sen.Reid is saying over and over: BRING ME A BILL! And I will put it to the floor. He's also in a way calling out Schummer, the president et al. So that should be our goal as it has been of NCLR among others: The legislation. Forget for a moment about it becoming law. Show it.

NY is a big immigration state. Schummer needs to feel the heat as well. This is all over the activists organizations (not Reform for America and America's Voice, aka as "Obama can do no wrong in our eyes; you get a free pass on everything). The real progressive ones like change.org.

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Real progressive ones like Change.org....seem to be trending towards Dream as a stand alone. What would you say to that, bc that's a bill I can show you. :D