Democrats Want Border Security Before Legalization
 

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This is great news so now that the Dems and Reps are on the same page. This will lead to a bi-partisan bill that can passed with greater Rep support.

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Well, they may all support securing the border. But until when are going to gain legal status? Another bill sometime later while all the deportations go on?

There is absolutely no way that a bill to legalize us will pass on its own even after a securing the borders bill passes. I just want to know, when do we get a chance at freedom?

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Yeah, and by the time the benchmarks are met--and everybody has been deported--the problem of legalization will solve itself: there won't be anybody left who will be eligible to legalize. I am sure that it is refreshing to hard-right Republicans to see that the logic of the Fugitive Slave Law in Arizona has finally penetrated the ranks of our supposed allies in Washington. Way to out-Republican the Republicans, guys!:confused:

I think we need to start pushing Dream as a stand-alone bill--or at the very least to push the administration to agree to the idea of temporarily halting deportation of potential Dreamers.

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:-? did you even read the article?

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This means we will get a bill soon to pass and its going to happen in 2010.

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Yes.......

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Obama can put all this to rest by sending the national guard to secure the border now. The sooner he does that, the sooner our chances of getting legalized sooner under any bill.

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I've been waiting for him to make this move because even if it doesn't mean it is a permanent measure it still an action that works in their favor and lets them now that both parties can come to a mutual agreement.

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Obama is the man!

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I couldn't agree more, and I am calling Reid's office to tell them so, and Lugar and Durbin too. Eight years after the backlogs are cleared AND some totally moveable targets on security are met might as well be never.... who knows if the chance will ever come. Horrid. They need to pair up DREAM with Agjobs, since both currently bipartisan, and then vote up or down. This sh*t is ridiculous... Comprehensive reform in the present environment is gonna be way too punitive, as this outline makes so clear. DREAM ACT NOW, and once Dreamies have status they can advocate even more boldly for CIR, this bill is NOT COOL.

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Who are you and where do you get your happy pills? I'll see your unprovable and unevidenced assertion, and raise you mine:

Forget it. Major CIR orgs already privately acknowledge that it's got no chance of a floor vote. Current efforts/ mobilizations are more about them getting next year's funding from foundations/ donors than about passing a bill. Dems trust that any attempt will be enough to string latin@ voters along, and they don't need to pass squat. Maybe, maybe a vote is a dim possibility in Dec., especially if Dems get killed in Nov. and know they have no other chance until after 2012 elections. CIR is a delusion, there isn't a bill, so it hasn't been in any committee for a vote, and there is no way its getting done with Supreme Court Nom. on deck for July, August off for Congress, and Sept-Oct given over to campaigning.

The only serious talk on the Hill about immigration bills this year is DA and Agjobs together as their own bill... we should put 100% of our efforts into securing more cosponsors and pressing for a floor vote in June on these measures. Pols see a reason to give something on this issue, but CIR is nowhere near ready, and we should demand DREAM and Ag as a downpayment on the rest of reform.

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Quote from article " Those goals "must be met before action can be taken to adjust the status of people already in the United States illegally," according to a copy of the draft legislation "

What i am assuming this mean is that this bill will pass a path to legalization for us, but the process does not start until a certain goals are met ( in terms of border security).

Basically this bill means that democrats are doing what republican want.

They have been saying " First secure border then talk about the path to legalization". This bill does exactly what republican has been saying all the long. So basically to vote against it means they are going against what they have been saying.

A very brilliant way to draft the legislation.

On another note, I think we all are forgetting that Dream act is also part of CIR. Who knows, Maybe dream act alone will go into effect immediately.

Too much speculations until the draft comes out. But the above are my speculations of what this bill mean. So take it with grain of salt.

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Stop trying to raise your post count with stupid comments man.