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dado123 11-08-2010 03:43 PM

immigration issues in the lame duck session
 
Full Article:
http://www.ilw.com/articles/2010,1104-siskind.shtm

Most salient points in qt/unqt:

QT
We could see some immediate action on immigration issues in the lame duck session that will be called shortly by Senator Reid and Speaker Pelosi. Senator Reid has already said he intends to re-introduce the DREAM Act and he needs just four votes to get the bill over the finish line. It is possible that he could get a few of the departing Senators to change their votes. Perhaps he can get Senators Voinovich, Bennett, Brownback, Gregg, LeMieux, or Lincoln to change their votes. All are theoretically "yes" votes. Or he might have a shot at getting New England Senators Brown, Snowe and Collins to reconsider. And the one no-show on the last vote was Lisa Murkowski, previously a moderate on immigration who has told Alaska's Democrats that in exchange for sending her back to Congress as a write-in independent candidate, she would think independently. So maybe she is persuadable.
UNQT

Call and remind Reid to keep his promise.

hgr1915 11-08-2010 04:11 PM

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This is the best case scenario!!!

hooligan111988 11-08-2010 05:22 PM

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the kind of scenarios that don't exist in the senate...hahaha

Alex 11-08-2010 08:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hooligan111988 (Post 181671)
the kind of scenarios that don't exist in the senate...hahaha

y do u say that?

buckminsterfullerene 11-08-2010 09:30 PM

Re: immigration issues in the lame duck session
 
there is a strategic benefit in putting the DA as early as they are comfortable with, the senator elect from Illinois which already said would vote no will miss a couple weeks for the lame duck sessions (lame duck starts on the 16th I think and he gets sworn in on the 29th), however, this could be very controversial, but, it was done once before to pass another controversial bill. My worry is that this time it could be controversial enough where if it does not pass this time it could hurt the any chances of the bill passing in the long run.

The outgoing senators have a good chance of putting a yes vote on a controversial bill without much repercussion, they will already be leaving, however, if they vote yes on this bill they could use this to try and get the hispanic vote if and when they decide to run again. There are several in there that were on the fence and could vote yes without appearing as flip-floppers (LeMieux for example)

Task_1539 11-08-2010 09:32 PM

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Just pass the damn thing and give credit to democrats and republicans so Latino voters will migrate between the two.

hooligan111988 11-08-2010 11:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 181687)
y do u say that?


haha..idk why...it seems taht even if we have a lot of support and possible votes...its always a game to politicians.

Alex 11-09-2010 12:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hooligan111988 (Post 181718)
haha..idk why...it seems taht even if we have a lot of support and possible votes...its always a game to politicians.

i swear i wana punch u in the nose u jerkoff... u sacred me, i thought u had any idea what you talking about.

are u DA User's sister?

hooligan111988 11-09-2010 12:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 181687)
y do u say that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 181721)
i swear i wana punch u in the nose u jerkoff... u sacred me, i thought u had any idea what you talking about.

are u DA User's sister?


lol..i thought the "hahaha" at the end of the comment would make it seem as if i wasnt serious...but for real tho...even if the DA passes the senate...i think itd go to the house next year and not this year...and that would really really suck

DA User 11-09-2010 02:48 PM

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Why would House wait till next Congress. Guteirez is leading the way in House and Pelosi will bring it up after Senate passes it.

nickbroken 11-09-2010 05:15 PM

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Probstly for

DA User 11-09-2010 07:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nickbroken (Post 181796)
Eh personally I wish they would just lift the 1/3/10 year ban for overstaying. I think a lot more illegals would go back to their country and try to get in "legally" if that was the case. I would go to Canada for a year or two until my i-130 priority date because current.

Maybe a possible TPS for DREAMer also.

victor85 11-09-2010 08:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DA User (Post 181815)
Maybe a possible TPS for DREAMer also.

i hope so too. Really, I expect Obama to be more confrontational with the Republican caucus

DA User 11-09-2010 09:18 PM

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Obama is trying to unite Rep with Dems now.

NK74 11-09-2010 10:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nickbroken (Post 181796)
Eh personally I wish they would just lift the 1/3/10 year ban for overstaying. I think a lot more illegals would go back to their country and try to get in "legally" if that was the case. I would go to Canada for a year or two until my i-130 priority date because current.

Yeah, could they please do that? Even Huckabee had advocated it.

nickbroken 11-09-2010 11:04 PM

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The way

DA User 11-09-2010 11:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nickbroken (Post 181840)
It's part of reform I predict that Republicans will port forth, they will waive the ban on overstaying. They will make it move faster and have a merit system based of family, education, etc. They will require everyone here to leave for x amount of time while they wait on things like i-130s/485s to be processed before they allow people to come in.

So how long do you think the undocumented will have to leave before coming back?

NK74 11-09-2010 11:38 PM

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I m not sure Republicans would do that. I think we should do something, organize, let people know.

I have overstayed and the bigger reason I am not leaving is that I won't be able to come back. I mean getting legalized would be nice, but it's not important to me.

How about the people in this forum who have contact to immigration lobbies? IS there anything we can do to add this amendment?

nickbroken 11-10-2010 01:30 AM

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Goes all

DA User 11-10-2010 01:35 AM

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If the mother is USC now then that does not help either because an overstay person has to serve 10 years outside of USA before starting the clock.

Are you talking about the H1b Visas for degrees?

I think Rep will try to draft and stricter CIR just like the 2006/2007. Something is better then nothing.

So now do you thinks Latins will flock to Republicans for votes in 2012?

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickbroken (Post 181857)
It depends on how well they revise the current immigration policy, I mean I think they are giving visas to people from Mexico and the Philippians that filed in 92, so it's broken currently. I think they may make people go back, file an i-130 in your home country and whenever your priority date becomes current they will let you over. It is kind of how it is now, but I think they will change the point system for getting in, having a degree will help big time, having a USC immediate family member will help also.

I remember back in 2007 one of the things republicans wanted for the CIR to pass was for the illegals to go to their home countries and fill there under the new system then come back, from what they said it wouldn't have taken as long maybe a year wait or something along those lines, democrats balked at it, saying it would split up families, in retrospect I wish they would of went for it. A year away from your friends and families is a lot better then 10 years.

I fully believe Republicans will try to draft an immigration reform. Regan the "greatest Republican president of all time" gave amnesty so it's there. They will draft something like harsher penalties for being illegal, forgiveness for being here illegally by going back to your own country to fill, passing certain background checks, physical, must read, write, speak English. Must have a High School Diploma or GED, etc etc I'm sure a few other things. It would be a brilliant move by them to do.

First off in 2012 they aren't going to get Palin or whoever runs for president in office, because not enough people like her or Gingrich. If they passed immigration reform, they would get the Latin vote like that, one of the biggest reasons why democrats kept the seats they have.


nickbroken 11-10-2010 01:37 AM

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Ladder

nickbroken 11-10-2010 01:48 AM

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Jacob's

DA User 11-10-2010 02:27 AM

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Not over 21 though.

Conservative in what way?

Reid promised that he will bring DA in the lame duck session.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickbroken (Post 181863)
Well the mother being able to help now depends on the age of the child she is petitioning for, if he/she is under 21 they should be ok. If over yeah it is a bit more of a problem. It's a stupid technicality because unless you are the spouse, child under 21, or parent of a USC they can't petition for you, it's like hello they are still my parent who cares if I'm over 21, they might be able to change that in a reform.

I am talking reform across the boards, they will have to allow people to come here for green cards, people with degrees if they want to be able to compete with China. That is what Canada does, one of the best ways to get into Canada is to have a degree in some field and it gets you in faster. Why? Because Canada is growing and wants smart people, they want scientists, they want future CEOs because it will help Canada grow.

If Democrats do not pass dream act during lame duck and in no way shape or form pass or try to pass any type of CIR, I think most Latinos won't vote, why bother? Obama promised reform and he hasn't done shit to try to get it, Bush has done more then he has.

If Republicans pass a stricter, but fair CIR you bet your ass Latinos will vote republican. If you look at Latinos the ones I know, most are conservative anyways and I think the biggest reason they vote democrat is because of the immigration issue, it affects a lot of Latinos through friends and family.

The democrats are fools that is why they lost in 2010, if they continue to be foolish and do nothing, and republicans use immigration to their advantage say goodbye democrat power for a while.

I truly believe the republicans will do something with CIR, they looked at how close a no name psycho crazy old tea bagger came to beating Reid, she bashed Latinos and it cost her while he pandered to them to Latinos promising he would try to pass DA. Republicans will learn this and realize the key to the white house in 2012 is going to be through Latinos. I mean I think Latinos are largest minority voting bloc there is right now? They are only going to keep growing, why cut your own dick off and tell them no when one day they will have a major major impact on the government.


nickbroken 11-10-2010 02:40 AM

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Lessy

2dreamORnot2dream 11-10-2010 03:43 AM

Re: immigration issues in the lame duck session
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nickbroken (Post 181857)
...having a USC immediate family member will help also...

LoL, I think your right. And even with current immigration rules it helps if you have immediate USC family - This always pissed me off!!!

The way I look at it - they will consider and value more someone who keeps having kids they cannot afford than someone that obtained a graduate degree and paid taxed for 10+ years.

I'm sorry but I think most of us come with the baby making equipment naturaly and making 'immediate USC family members' seems easy by comparison. Hack, I think it's harder NOT to make USC family members and take the proper precautions.

LoL, sorry had to vent...

nickbroken 11-10-2010 02:41 PM

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Like piss

buckminsterfullerene 11-10-2010 08:50 PM

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a son or daughter can claim a parent after they turn 21, but a parent can't claim their own son or daughter after they turn 21, sometimes the logic behind some laws make no sense.

nickbroken 11-11-2010 12:18 AM

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Rjrnn


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