Rubio's immigration push a potential lift for GOP
 

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/17...-lift-for-gop/


Florida Sen. Marco Rubio's push for a Republican version of immigration legislation looks like the answer to the election-year prayers of the GOP — and Mitt Romney.

Rubio — telegenic son of Cuban exiles and potential vice presidential pick — is pulling together a bill that would allow young illegal immigrants to remain in the United States but denies them citizenship, an initial step in the drawn-out, divisive fight over immigration policy and the fate of the 11 million people here illegally.

The freshman senator calls his evolving legislation a conservative alternative to the DREAM Act — the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors measure. That Democratic-backed bill, which is overwhelmingly popular with Hispanics, would provide a pathway to citizenship to children in the United States illegally if they attend college or join the military. The measure came close to passage in December 2010 but has languished since then.

"We have to come up with an immigration system that honors both our legacy as a nation of laws and also our legacy as a nation of immigrants," Rubio told The Associated Press on Tuesday.

An immigration plan from Rubio, the GOP's best-known Hispanic, could help Republicans make some headway with the fastest growing minority group and its 21 million eligible voters, many concentrated in the contested presidential battleground states of Florida, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and Colorado.

Democrats maintain a significant political advantage with Hispanics, numbers that were only strengthened by the harsh rhetoric from Republican presidential candidates in this year's primary. Hispanics overwhelmingly backed Barack Obama over Republican presidential nominee John McCain, 67-31 percent, in the 2008 presidential race and they favored Democratic congressional candidates 60-38 percent in 2010, according to exit polling. A Pew Research Center survey out Tuesday showed Obama with a solid edge over Romney among Hispanic registered voters, 67-27 percent.

It's a reality the likely Republican presidential nominee clearly recognizes.

"We have to get Hispanic voters to vote for our party," Romney told a private fundraiser in Florida on Sunday in which he insisted the GOP needs an alternative to the DREAM Act. He warned that a significant number of Hispanics backing Obama "spells doom for us," according to NBC News.

Rubio, who notably called on his party to tone down the anti-immigrant talk earlier this year, is working on a plan that would allow young illegal immigrants who came to the United States with their parents to apply for non-immigrant visas. They would be permitted to stay in the country to study or work, could obtain a driver's license but would not be able to vote. They later could apply for residency, but they would not have a special path to citizenship.

Rubio said he has not talked to the Romney campaign about his plan but definitely would. "He's our nominee and I think it's important for him to feel comfortable with and be supportive of whatever endeavor we pursue," the senator said.

The 40-year-old freshman lawmaker is looking at unveiling his bill in the coming weeks. The early outlines have drawn interest and skepticism from pro-immigration groups. Rubio's political motivation also has been questioned, especially since congressional Republicans and Democrats say legislation as ambitious as immigration is unlikely to be done seven months from the election.

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., signaled Tuesday that Rubio's effort has little chance in the Democratic-controlled Senate, telling reporters that he won't accept an alternative that stops short of providing a path to citizenship.

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This really sucks if Reid and his buddies try to block this bill....it will be such a shame and a disappointment.

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But yet as I have been saying since the beginning, it'd be better to pin hopes on something else. This bill will not pass, I'm fairly certain now. Even if it does clear congress(which is now a near impossibility) it would have to clear Obama who has already signaled he opposes this as well. The hopes on this bill have no foundation. My guess is again that the dream act passes in 2014.

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The bill is dead before it even arrives great!!!

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Let's not jump to conclusions just yet. The bill isn't even introduced yet. Maybe for now we can email and call Reid to let him know that something is better than nothing.


While Reid waits for HIS WAY TO PASS....were the ONES SUFFERING.

We need to get that message across to him somehow. I respect the guy, but he needs to be understanding of our situation as well.


We just can't afford to wait while both parties duke it out.

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Reid won't care(if he's like most politicians, which he seems to be). He doesn't care about our sufferings, again they don't care about us. This is a game. If he supports the GOP dream act, traction goes to the GOP and he loses a bit of prestige. If he vetoes it, he practically loses nothing. Don't you think those repub senators and those five dem senators who vetoed this bill in december of 2010 got plenty of e-mails and protests? They just don't care. Effort would be better expended on something else. This bill, like I have been raising the point for weeks now, will simply not happen, and when you get to the point where even DICK DURBIN is against this, then you pretty much see the logical endpoint of my arguments.

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It's more or less both parties fault really. I've said it before, but this bill maybe has a slim, minuscule chance that it will pass in the House. That's before Rubio and Boehner begging their Tea Party lunatics to vote when not even half of their own base will likely support this bill.

If it doesn't even have the support for even the GOP base, then this bill is already dead before Democrats even have a chance to vote.

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If Republican DA passes, I shall s**k Republican's d**k forever.

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Look guys, this doesn't mean we should give up. I say we try....at least in the end we can have the nerve to say we tried to do something to help.

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And that's why the Dems will never vote this bill into law, because of people like you getting the right to vote and then turning it against them just simply the GOP authored the bill. Same logic for the repubs.

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And everyone keep in mind.....this is just one article.....it would be a different story if every article that comes up for the DA are all negative.

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Well considering the fact that every article that asks a democratic legislator's opinion has always been negative so far.

We don't even know the opinion of the GOP yet, which I imagine will be horrendous.

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All of them so far are negative though And if you just look at the political landscape it just cannot happen. You have election year+crazy tea partiers+ Republican moderates against this bill+ Democrats who refuse to let it pass+ a horrible economic climate+ a wave of national xenophobia+ a chance that SB 1070 gets upheld in the supreme court. This is not the year for immigration reform. It's not being negative, it's called not letting our hopes and energies going towards a lost bill just meant to hype up Rubio's career and the chances of a political party that clearly does not welcome us into American life.

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I think this now hypothetical bill has a good chance to pass. I do not know why, but I have a good feeling about Rubio's idea. If it comes to the senate floor, Democrats will not oppose it in the end, it would be hypocrisy at the highest level. They know it would have devastating concequences. Think about it, if Democrats bring the bill down, the Repubs will then use it as a political tool and all of the sudden, they are the ones that gain immigrant support (Not all of us are Hispanics). Right now it is all talk, but Democrats are going to have to support it. If it does not pass, it will be because of lack of leadership among Republicans. Now, lets remember that Republicans are very good at coming together in situations with the possibility of screwing up Democrats . They often overlook their close minded ideologies to accomplish such thing.

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Hahahahaha.

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so what youre saying is our best chances rely on the fact that democrats have no balls and cave iuto republican demands often? lol might be crazy enough to work.

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Dems had their chance. We've been waiting long enough.

If Dems votes nay on Republican DA simply because it was introduced by Republican, you do realize that their rhetoric about how DA is bipartisan effort is a lie and Dems don't give a f**k about us?

If you really don't think that political affiliations influence your position on DA, then you should support DA whether it was published by Rep or Dem.

If Republican DA passes, Republicans got my vote for the rest of my life for saving my life.

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I wouldn't care one bit, i'm already a Democraft4life. Not just because they support the dream act (i aint ignorant), but because of the ideology their party is based on. I dont like the extremists Repubs one bit, even if they pass the DA, i simply still don't care. By the way, unlike a lot of the ignorant voters, i don't vote/support people running in the election just for the reason that they are in the party i like. That is bit of a ignorant and stupid @ss reason, even though a lot of the voters do that. I only support the people who i think will be the most successful and promising.

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^This


I totally agree.....the Democrats will look so bad if they vote it down. It will potentially hurt them in the long run as well.




"For the pro-amnesty, open borders crowd, the DREAM (Act) is their most compelling case," Beck said in an interview. "So what you've got is some Republicans who feel like somehow they'd like to take that off the table. And frankly if Rubio were to put one of these things other there, and then it's the Democrats that kill it, it could potentially hurt the Democrats."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/17...#ixzz1sL6Nt34u

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It could come out before July 4th reccess?

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Politics, this will not pass. Reid wont allow a Democratic controlled Senate to have a victory by Republicans with Hispanics close to election, where it could be a potential close Presidential race.

Im sure Rubio woke up last month in his bed having nightmare about "Jose" being undocumented and needing the Dream Act. Are you people this stupid?

Rubio is a clever Washington idiot, as majority of them are...introduces GOP Dream Act as a first term Senator just before election: gives him support with Hispanics, gives some poll points to Romney, he can say well we tried my Hispanic friends! They didnt (Democrats) even allow it to bring it to the floor etc etc etc..Dream Act, CIR rinse and repeat every election cycle whether there is Presidential/House/Senate

But who wouldn't do the same?! Having these perks, salary, comfortable job as a Senator. Would you risk it for "Jose"? Of course not you support whatever helps me win another election, my party (Look at past co-sponsors..Did you know Pryor was a cosponsor, Grassley, Hatch, McCain etc etc....It's like me loving eating tomatoes for the past 10 yrs, and then waking up, saying what the hell is this crap

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It is good some people agree with my point. Democrats would really look like morons if they oppose this. Lets just hope that those retarded immigrant coalitions do not opposee the bill. Since, they are all legal it is easy to take money from Democrats and support their cause. They are also a bunch of hypocrates. :x

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Keep in mind that we lost Democrat votes in 2010.....If Reid was such a good leader he could have unified ALL DEMOCRATS to vote for it but look what happened.....we fell short.


Just saying its too early to give a conclusion of "It won't pass".

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Please don't quote Beck from NumbersUSA (An anti-immigrant group) to solidify any sort of legitimacy.

It really depends on how much press this Dream Act actually gets. If it gets even less news feed than the last Dream Act (Which was barely any from the major news) then this will be a non-issue for Democrats in terms of political opposition since you have big names like Reid, Durbin, and Gutierrez criticizing the bill in its entirety.

Though if it were me, I would pass anything to bring you guys relief. I have my work permit that is scheduled to come (Hopefully) by next year through my parent's filing (Thank God) so this bill, even if it passed today would mean nothing to me.

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I hope it passes 100-0, but it could of simply passed in 2010.. It would have passed with flying colors, if the CA Senator's were present, if Originial co-sponsors supported it (McCain, Pryor, Grassley) and

"On May 11, 2011 Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid reintroduced the DREAM Act in the Senate. Some Republicans who had supported the bill in the PAST, including Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, Jon Kyl of Arizona, John McCain of Arizona, and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, withheld their votes"

But that is history now, but you see the pattern since 2001

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i propose we all send threat letters that we will get everyone from our communities to vote republican if democrats don't pass rubios bill, but lets see whats in the bill first :) then we should all mail letters, email, post everywhere and go crazy!

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Just posting it to show other people do see the hypocrisy of Democrats should they vote it down.


Good for you.....but right now....for the rest of us who are stuck in limbo are awaiting any relief to be passed.....this bill MEANS EVERYTHING TO US.....you can show a little respect.

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Rubio's ideas are reasonable thus far. We would not be provided with a drawn-out, clear direct path to citizenship, but we would not be banned from applying for residency and citizenship.

Wait until the bill is presented.

Fuck Reid. I am a leftist, and he is the dumbest son of a leftist bitch on this planet.

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Or read above in which I said I would support any legislation that helps us. Show a little respect as well and don't automatically assume things. Heck, even read my previous posts in which I stated I always could have been benefited by the Dream Act and how I would be willing to support nearly anything pertaining to immigrant friendly legislation.

What I want from this community is to take a step back after reading news in the last couple of days and think rationally and without desperation clouding your judgments. Is that too much to ask? There has been too much hyping from this forum lately that I fear what would happen if this bill was immediately shot down from both GOP and Democrats. I learned this lesson back in 2010-11's Dream Act and vowed to never irrationally throw blind support for any legislation if it could not be passed. Same logic applies here guys.

Like I said before, I support any legislation in which it helps us and you guys. It does not matter to me as long as it is feasible. So far, that has not been the case from what I have witnessed.

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People like Reid and Durbin still don't fully understand what we go through. They know we have craptastic lives, but they have yet to realize it's also full of sh*t. They can never understand us because they've always been USCs with no such difficulties like we face constantly. With this in mind, they have to fkin realize that we're desperate and they need to step back and realize that we simply don't give a fk if the bill offers us a clear cut pathway to citizenship (we'll get there eventually while we're legal residents).

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Woah buddy,

Maybe it's you who should read my previous comments.

First off I made no statements "automatically assuming" that Rubio's bill will ultimately pass. I just said that it's too early to come to a conclusion that this bill won't even make it to the senate.

And I also said that meanwhile this bill hasn't been introduced, we can all try to be proactive and call or email Reid to try and let him know that we need any sort of relief at this very moment, and that a direct path to citizenship doesn't have to be the only solution.

I have nothing but respect for every dreamer on this forum which is why I try to be positive to try and keep myself and everyone else's morale up. But be forewarned because I will not, have not given any false hopes by saying things like "The DA will pass this month". We all know how upsetting reading a negative comment is

Maybe you should try to understand that before you make false accusations of how I "Automatically assume things"

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chlehqls, I see what you are saying in terms of stepping back and thinking this thing rationally. I can assure you that Drock and I are thinking rationally. We support Rubio's ideas so far, but we are still waiting to see what the bill will look like to make the FINAL judgement. There is a distinction to be made.

What pisses us off really bad is that fuckers, like Reid, and bitch ass, whiny pro-immigration organizations, like the Tequila Party, are already rejecting the idea of an alternative--even if that alternative has a CHANCE of being fair, reasonable, and probably the only fucking thing viable for the next few years--unless the Dems. combine the DA with some tough kick ass border enforcement measures and get the GOP to vote yea.

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The "automatically assuming" part was referring to how you assumed that I need to show you respect just because of how I said that the Dream Act would not necessarily benefit me. I took offense that you partly "assumed" that I was not showing any respect toward my fellow individuals who can benefit from this act just because I said I wouldn't benefit from the Dream Act.

I'm not showing you any disrespect at all or to people who want this bill to pass. I even said that I support this bill wholeheartedly. I think there is a slight misunderstanding between us and if it came as wrong, I will apologize since I am not looking to pick fights at all. My purpose is to really push the individuals here to clearly think before throwing support and make up their own rational opinions based on what they hear, see, and feel. And yes, optimistic views are always better than being negative, but I'm going by history here in which the 2010-11 Dream Act did not pass even with majority of two Houses. I just cannot buy into the hype right now but I will support anything that can bring relief to majority of Dreamers.

Again, not my intention at all. We can't afford to fight and bicker on this site over the merits of any legislation.

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Wow. Thas why democrats don't support it

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I knew it.

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For all of you who are saying that u will vote republican in the future if it passes and that if it doesn't pass you will tell all your friends and family to vote republican. You ARe SIMPLY being BRAIN WASH by republicans. This is what they want. To mess with our heads and get all brain wash. So that republicans get Hispanic VOTES. THEY DON'T CARE if it passes. They just want to mess with ur head

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And again, I think that we all agree in a violent way. I agree with both you and Drock but I just cannot believe in my person opinion based on the current political atmosphere that this has a chance in both Houses. I totally understand your frustrations and it is warranted, to a degree. I personally would not use the language to describe Reid or other political organizations but they aren't completely justified either. Heh.

No you guys are right. I am hoping to be proved wrong that this bill will somehow warm itself to the GOP establishment and even the Democrats who are often seen voting out of their own merits rather than party line. I just hope that my judgment will be wrong.

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:- ) Please do not be alarmed by vivid language. I do, however, disagree with you on that. Reid deserves to be called an asshole and IS strategically retarded. And so does that stupid organization. Pragmatism is needed here--not partisan purists. Reid and the Tequila Party are coming off as entities that are using issues to defeat their ideological opponents. They don't care about POSSIBLE pragmatic solutions or alternatives. They care about defeating their opponents.

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Its starting to feel like Management 101. If you want to stall, you open committees have discussions and forums. You keep gathering thoughts and doing busy work. Now the Reps. cant stop their cause they need the votes so they will introduce it right before its time to vote, it will clear the House the same day but the Senate will flip out. The Dems will have absolutely no time to argue their points so Reid will just table it.
-Reps look like Moses, and Dems look like the Gestapo.
-This is the only way to get voters in a frenzy and angry and have them vote their way at the last minute, and once in control go back to a self deportation rhetoric and save face.