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That very young age talk is troublesome lol, he keeps using that dreamer who came here at age 4 as an example. Hopefully the democrats involved in the talks stand their ground on the original under 16 criteria.

http://politicalnews.me/?id=14031&pg...RATION-LEGALLY

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Man that age has gotta be 15. Anything younger than that shit is not fair! Really hope nobody is left crying! Pray for the best! Here we go!

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I doubt he's going to compromise on age, he's been going on about qualifying age for weeks now. And think about it, the younger the age the more republicans can vote for this en masse, and he could still draw a sizeable bloc of democrats. Can any of you see Durbin having the heart to even block this if it's like ten and under? I can't see it. I hate to say it, but the younger the age, the better the chances this passes, which alone will still be hard because of the house.

And let's say it does bar most dreamers, would anyone on this forum really stand in the way of those who could it help? Would we not all still stand together and support it as one?

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Somebody tell me how old was Gaby Pacheco when she was brought here, quick!!

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She came at seven years old, so she's prob going to be safe.

http://weareamericastories.org/audio/gabby-pacheco/

Knowing all the details I'm getting, I'm thinking the bill will only apply to those who came here before 12 or possibly even ten and under. I think we are nearing the realization it probably won't be a 16 and under bill. The Republicans seem to want to attract those here who have little or few memories of their homelands.

The age limit could have a second purpose though. By limiting the number of people eligible for it, you prevent a huge disruption towards the services of SCIS, two million and a half people rushing to get those non immigrant visas would cause a virtual collapse. Through provisions like this, you go from two and a half million towards possibly even 500,0000, thus making it more acceptable to those who are not in favor of a even more strained USCIS and question the logistics.

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what's up with the paranoia man,

don't worry.

the age limit can be 15 days old and this bill still won't go through the house.

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If the age of entry requirement is too low, it will certainly lose support from key dems. This is an issue that we should all be concerned about regardless if you came here at age 1. I hope Rubio does his h.w and makes this bill suitable for most dreamers.

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But put it at the normal "16 and under" clause, and this could surely be as easily defeated by hostile republicans. The consensus then points towards a lower age limit regardless of which end of the political spectrum you view it from. And even democrats reject such a rubio compromise with a lowered age it will still look somewhat politically driven to deny the right of a normal life for people who have been here since childhood itself.

The genius of the Rubio compromise bill then is that it will divide the dreamer movement. Those whom it will apply too will support it passionately, while those whom it does not apply to it will accuse it of being unfair and unjustified.

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I agree. Rubio's continuous use of the word children is not an accident. I expect the age of entry to be lower than previous versions, but I sincerely hope that's not the case. :|

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Guys, I think its going to be for those who came before 16. I am sure Rubio is getting all that feedback now from Durbin, Pacheco, and other DREAM Activists.

Don't panic. I think age can be compromised on because it doesn't take a dumbass to figure out that people age as a result of governmental inaction. The issue that is of major concern to the GOP is chain immigration.

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I disagree. I think it's going to be something along the lines of the DA in terms of age. Dude, why the hell would they pick 12? why would they pick 7?

I am not even worried about age. I am sure the DREAM Activists that are speaking on our behalf are raising the issue of age.

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I have to disagree, firstly as for Rubio's consultation with the fellow dreamers, that was supposedly a one-off meeting, so it doesn't seem as if he's in active consultation with them, and as for some dreamers who were in the meeting with him, many such as representatives from C4D state he hasn't even been back in contact. So I wouldn't count on agents with their own interets and goals and no true meaningful link to Rubio to heavily advocate for us.

Secondly, if you look at the dream act's progression through the decades, the age limit keeps dropping, even the 2010 version reduced the age by a few years, I do not expect this attempt by a tea party republican to be any different. The discourse of the dream act becomes ever more stricter and limited.

Thirdly, reducing the age limit makes political sense. The lower it goes, the more republicans would be supportive with or without chain migration provisions(which rubio's version does not bar at all in any sense), and which gives him an even greater imperative to be more strict regarding other provisions.)

This article, although from 2010, captures the main gist of my argument.

And I never said it would be 7 and under, or even really 12. Just that it would be lower then the dream act's "16 and under". And according to tea party republican logic, the most favored dreamers are those who cam e at very young ages. They're not exactly loving of those who came here 14+ with knowledge of their homeland and life outside the states(not that I think it's a bad thing.)


Additionally, Rubio's own spokesperson said they're still trying to find the correct "qualifying age", if he was truly sticking to tradition, why not just make it a 16 and under bill from the start. This is a compromise bill, this will not exactly be the dream act 2.0, therefore I would expect a lower age limit.

I maintain though that even with a lowered age position, this bill should still be supported, because there would still be hundreds of thousands of souls that could prosper from it. Dreamers should not hold dreamers back.

http://newamericamedia.org/2010/12/t...ds-reality.php

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It looks like there maybe no maximum cut off age. Retroactive Provisions is looking pretty to me.

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[quote=DA User;254853]It looks like there maybe no maximum cut off age. Retroactive Provisions is looking pretty to me.


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I disagree with you! Do you remember Harry Reid's first reaction to Rubio eliminating the path to citizenship and instate tuition?

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-bu...t-unacceptable
If this is truly a compromise bill, then what are the dems getting? Remember that ultimately Reid and Durbin have to sign off on anything that comes up for a vote in the senate. Dems are reluctantly considering supporting this bill and if Rubio tries to restrict it any further by making the entry age and maximum age lower than the original dream act, I'm sure democrats will oppose it. The two dream act lite bills introduced in the house by a republican didn't change the entry age. To be honest i haven't heard any prominent republican object to the entry age through all the years of debate. Regardless, this bill can always be amended if it even reaches the senate floor.


Make it too strict and I'll doubt he'll have a lot of democratic support. If this bill passes the house, it will be because of the number of democratic votes it gets. We all know a lot of the house republicans are going to vote against it.

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If any of you knows anybody or has any power, we really have to let them know that it's cruel to leave any Dreamer behind. There is a good case to be made to put an age limit on when someone came here - an 18 year old for instance could have crossed over alone and made the decision. 17 year old...I think that's a young adult. 16 year old? that's more sell-able though some might object. Personally I think the cutoff will be 16, but who knows. I think when giving examples, the younger examples bring more sympathy from the average person.

As far as a dreamer's age now, I don't think there should be any limit because it doesn't change the fact that they were brought here as a child and any limit they put would have to be retroactive.

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Make it too strict and I'll doubt he'll have a lot of democratic support. If this bill passes the house, it will be because of the number of democratic votes it gets. We all know a lot of the house republicans are going to vote against it.[/quote]

I disagree with you, Rubio and many other republicans do object to the broad age range of the dream act. Here is this for a reference, words uttered by Senator Rubio himself according to Daniela Peleaz when she met him in March.


Daniela Pelaez, the North Miami Senior High valedictorian whose possible deportation caught national attention, met with Rubio in Washington, D.C. last month and told Univision News that the senator was also concerned that the age groups covered by the original DREAM Act were too broad.
“Those were the biggest concerns for him,” she said.

Immigration-reform advocates said they were skeptical that the election-year effort would offer a substantive solution.
“Will the Republican-led DREAM Act in an election year right the wrongs of Republican anti-immigrant legislation like Arizona and Alabama’s laws? We’re skeptical,” said Ali Noorani, Executive Director of the National Immigration Forum."

http://univisionnews.tumblr.com/post...tive-dream-act


With the man even saying these words, anti-illegal immigration organizations like FAIR also wanting a lower age limit, and Rubio primarily just using this bill as a political ploy so that he can showcase democratic failure on the issue, as well as to advance his own party, mark my words, I feel very strongly that there will be a lowered age limit.

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I've got a strong feeling that age is going to be 12. But I really hope its 15 or 16. It makes sense. Lets not forget that Durbin and Co. will have a chance to offer amendments!!

I disagree with you, Rubio and many other republicans do object to the broad age range of the dream act. Here is this for a reference, words uttered by Senator Rubio himself according to Daniela Peleaz when she met him in March.


Daniela Pelaez, the North Miami Senior High valedictorian whose possible deportation caught national attention, met with Rubio in Washington, D.C. last month and told Univision News that the senator was also concerned that the age groups covered by the original DREAM Act were too broad.
“Those were the biggest concerns for him,” she said.

Immigration-reform advocates said they were skeptical that the election-year effort would offer a substantive solution.
“Will the Republican-led DREAM Act in an election year right the wrongs of Republican anti-immigrant legislation like Arizona and Alabama’s laws? We’re skeptical,” said Ali Noorani, Executive Director of the National Immigration Forum."

http://univisionnews.tumblr.com/post...tive-dream-act


With the man even saying these words, anti-illegal immigration organizations like FAIR also wanting a lower age limit, and Rubio primarily just using this bill as a political ploy so that he can showcase democratic failure on the issue, as well as to advance his own party, mark my words, I feel very strongly that there will be a lowered age limit.[/quote]

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I disagree with you, Rubio and many other republicans do object to the broad age range of the dream act. Here is this for a reference, words uttered by Senator Rubio himself according to Daniela Peleaz when she met him in March.


Daniela Pelaez, the North Miami Senior High valedictorian whose possible deportation caught national attention, met with Rubio in Washington, D.C. last month and told Univision News that the senator was also concerned that the age groups covered by the original DREAM Act were too broad.
“Those were the biggest concerns for him,” she said.

Immigration-reform advocates said they were skeptical that the election-year effort would offer a substantive solution.
“Will the Republican-led DREAM Act in an election year right the wrongs of Republican anti-immigrant legislation like Arizona and Alabama’s laws? We’re skeptical,” said Ali Noorani, Executive Director of the National Immigration Forum."

http://univisionnews.tumblr.com/post...tive-dream-act


With the man even saying these words, anti-illegal immigration organizations like FAIR also wanting a lower age limit, and Rubio primarily just using this bill as a political ploy so that he can showcase democratic failure on the issue, as well as to advance his own party, mark my words, I feel very strongly that there will be a lowered age limit.[/quote]

Well he has to deal with Reid eventually. This is what Reid's spokesman had to say.

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Exactly, unless a compromise is made it's going to be literally a showdown between two sides who both pride their own dream acts and refuse to embrace the other side's, leading to a failure and more years of waiting for everyone,if another serious attempt is even made in the future. Personally, I would like a broad age range, but if not, I would personally support ANYTHING(give the arms act even) that legalizes a substantial number of dreamers, republicans don't seem as if they'll endorse anything that looks remotely close to the dream act. Hence why Rubio is reworking the act to his own vision of what it would look like as those comments above showcase. I hope Reid and Durbin and the bunch feel the same way in terms of action and getting something done.

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Dudes, just wait. My balls are getting blisters. These are all what-ifs, and it could go either way.

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wow, you guys are obviously unemployed....no more essays please.

Age cap will be set at 7, so only a few of us will qualify. The rest of you can wait for CIR. OK?

lol

Let the harassment begin..... j/k

Age cap will be 30 with retro/provision and only those brought here under the age of 12 will qualify. Dems and Reps will debate and bring that number to 15 or 16.

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It will pass. Rubio says humanitarian issue. Well 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 age that u have had when u entered the USA is not being all humanitarian at all. So it will be at least 14

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All DA bills have been 15 and under so I doubt this will change.

Most likely 15 and under and that is what all the DA was about even in the lame duck on 2010.

Why did you pick 12? I have seen 10 in recent articles but I still think it will be 15 and under.

[quote=immigration truth;254854]?

I really think now the Retroactive provisions will be added. None of the articles talk about maximum age.

USA wants educated people so I don't see a reason why someone with a 4 year degree from USA would be left out.

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If Rubio follows any Tea Party "logic," I can assure you that the Democrats will NOT support it.

I have said this before, but let me say it again; According to the United States Immigration Law, children under the age of 16 are considered children. Your age is esssentially "frozen" as a child if you are under 21 when a parent becomes a US Citizen and you have a pending petition with USCIS. Also, under the American law, everyone under the age of 18 is a child.

If I use some of the ridiculous logic that I have read on this thread and forum from some members and relate it to the Foster care system in the US, then it'd mean that only children that were "2 years old, 7 years old or at most 12 years old" should be allowed into the Foster care system, not those that were admitted into the Foster care system at ages 13 and above, right?

Do people see how ridiculous that sounds? Everyone's situation is different, and we do not know the circumstances that led them into being under the care of the State and subsequently the Foster system. At the end of the day, whether the child is a month old or 17 years old, they are still minor children and both should be afforded the same opportinities.

I hope those members on this thread (and forum) that are very excited to see more people written out of the Dream Act (that isn't even written yet, for all you know, Rubio just wants to sell his book), see how ridiculous their reasoning is.

How about Rubio just disregard everyone that is presently over the age of 16, whether you came here as a day old baby or not, and just give temporary visas to those that are presently 16 years of age and under?

How about they give temporary visas to only those undocumented kids that came here before the age of 7 and are presently not up to 7 years old, after all, those of us over the age of 18 are now adults, and do not/are not being forced to stay here? Right?

I know things are tough, but that's when people's true characters come out, and I can say that with the exception of a few people on this thread, there are a lot of weak and selfish characters here that very excitedly want to kick everyone else that came here at an older age than they did, and that are older than they are, off benefitting from the Dream Act. I'm glad that for me, the Dream Act doesn't define who I am or where my future will be at the end of the day so I do not put my faith and trust in politicians and activists.

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Guys,

I know we are on edge. But, chill. We are all arguing hypothetical cases, which are all possible given the well-reasoned arguments that both sides have given. But, worst case scenario that the majority of dreamers do not like the age range, we do not have to call for a filibuster. We must first pressure Rubio and his conservative supporters to change their minds if, again, the age range is inappropriate.

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Very true, you are one of the more resonable people on this website. However, judging from how quick some people here are to throw others under the bus, I can bet any amount of money that whenever this Bill comes out, even if the age range disqualifies half of the members of this forum, the qualifying half will selfishly say that those that were disqualified should be quiet. This forum is beginning to morph into something else, it's unfortunate.

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Yes be quiet. If we qualify and you don't then too bad. I guess you'll have to wait until CIR passes....probably 2030. lol

No more fkn essays please. I read enough essays as it is, so please be concise with your thoughts.

Rubio's bill needs to pass no matter who gets excluded...that includes me. Wake up people, unless Dems take control of congress, nothing will pass in the next 2,3,4 years.

Another generation of dreamers will fail unless we stop being so fkn dramatic.

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Obviously I highlighted and/or underlined and italicized the most important points of my "essay," sometimes people need to explain things in detail in order to fully get their points across.

Your terrible attempt at sarcasm continues to fail terribly, move on if you don't want to read what someone wrote, no one's being dramatic, I call things as I see it, plain and simple.

Also, if the original people that this Dream Act Bill was written for in 2001 are disqualified from the Bill, then it should be renamed, it will no longer be the Dream Act; calling a possibly watered-down and totally different Bill the same name is misleading.

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I am not for a very limited dream act, nor do I claim to be in support of such a strict option. Rather I assert that due to the strict climate regarding immigration, anything that can help a substantial number of people should be supported. The dream act no longer of course applies to me as well, but I am interested in anything that can relieve any dreamer's fears or uncertainty. I would love to see a broad dream act, but if it does not result, I would just as well support a more limited one. Saddening, yes. But realistic? All the very well.

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So many commas in one sentence.

Sarcasm? It might seem like sarcasm but it's not, it's reality. The DA does not define me but I do believe that it can help define others. If something can be achieved, we should all support it otherwise we'll be waiting for something to happen like Givemeachance.

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That's what some people here don't get. It's not that we're selfish, we just know that given the political climate on immigration, a strict watered-down version of the Dream Act is probably the best we can hope for.

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If Rubio comes out with a completely different and watered-down Bill that excludes the people that the Original Dream Act was written for then, it should not longer be called the "Dream Act."

The name should be changed because it is no longer the same Bill, and honestly, the more I think about this Bill and how Rubio is basically trying to manipulate all the work that Durbin has done, the more suspicious I'm becoming of his true intentions. I mean, how did we go from possibly getting Green Cards after waiting for some years, to temporary visas?

Seriously, people think. The Republicans have been sabotaging this Bill especially in 2010, anything more strict will destroy the purpose of this Bill. Why is Rubio so interested in changing this Bill so much and getting support for something that he hasn't even written? Think people, think....

I really hope that Obama can finally get some courage and tackle this issue with an Executive Order temporarily while Congress irons out the details of the "Dream Act," and at least covers ALL Dreamers both Original and New.

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Commas indicate pauses in sentences (not full pauses like full stops, but pauses nonetheless), I am sure that I punctuated my sentence correctly smartass, I cannot say the same for you with all the abbreviations that you use. Hopefully you do not write your so called "essays" in that manner.

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lol. Check your first sentence.

No, I do not write essays in this manner. Bye bye now.

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Why are you running? What's wrong with my first sentence? No tell me, I want to know since you are so "wise?"

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This response is not meant to sabotage you nor support your accuser's remark about the number of commas used. It is, instead, meant to be a tiny grammar lesson that schools seldom teach.

Commas do indicate pauses. However, they indicate pauses between dependent clauses/fragments within a sentence. It is incorrect to use commas to join independent clauses/full sentences. Note, "I eat" is a sentence; it is not a matter of length.

"Obviously I highlighted and/or underlined and italicized the most important points of my "essay." Sometimes people need to explain things in detail in order to fully get their points across.

Your terrible attempt at sarcasm continues to fail terribly. Move on if you don't want to read what someone wrote. No one's being dramatic. I call things as I see it, plain and simple."

Just trying to help. Take it or leave it.

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Let's stay on topic. We have bigger issues to deal with than comma usage and criticizing the length of another person's response.

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Thanks for the writing lesson, but I graduated from a credible 4-year university and earned As in my English courses, so I am all set. I am also from an English-speaking country, so my first language is English, I do not need grammar/writing lessons.

I am not a person of weak character that can be easily pushed in another direction because people have decided to gang up against me since they are upset that I dare say that there are some selfish people on this forum, it's the truth!

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I apologize for going off topic, and I respect the work this website does and what it stands for regarding the Dream Act. I just wanted to make my point clear to the members that responded to my comments as I have no respect for people that feel entitled to receiving temporary visas from the US while stepping over those that paved the way for them.