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hollisterco 06-01-2012 07:36 AM

Dreamers get more lip service Rubio ally offers a "1/4 DREAM Act" while Obama stalls
 
A Hispanic Republican from Florida boldly broke with his party’s orthodoxy on illegal immigration yesterday, introducing a bill to help undocumented young people stay in school — but it wasn’t Sen. Marco Rubio.

While the Florida senator’s much-touted but still vague plans to offer a GOP version of the DREAM Act have yet to materialize, Rubio’s friend Rep. David Rivera of Miami introduced the Studying Towards Adjusted Residency Status (STARS) Act, which would allow undocumented high school graduates who arrived here at a young age and are accepted into a university to apply for conditional non-immigrant status that could put them on an eight-year path to citizenship.

Rivera’s initiative came as leaders of United We Dream, a leading group of undocumented students, presented White House officials with a letter signed by more than 90 immigration law professors who argued that the president has “clear executive authority” to halt deportations of students who might benefit from such legislation, according to the New York Times. The Obama administration says its policy of “prosecutorial discretion” spares otherwise law-abiding young people, but student groups such as the National Immigrant Youth Alliance say the administration has broken its promises.

The students, disenchanted with Obama’s failure to secure passage of the DREAM Act in 2010, have expressed interest in Rubio and Rivera’s proposals as a way to save young people from being deported from the only country many of them have ever known. With the latest poll of Latino voters showing Mitt Romney trailing President Obama by 34 points, Hispanic Republicans have been looking to moderate the party’s hardline stance against illegal immigration. Without a change in the party’s image, said one Texas Republican this week, the growing Latino demographic may transform Texas into a Democratic bastion by 2020.

But this week Rubio took an inspection tour of the U.S. prison at Guantanamo, which seemed intended to burnish his foreign policy credentials as a possible vice presidential candidate, and left immigration to Rivera, his former ally in the House, who is under investigation for tax evasion.

Rivera said he was moved to introduce the bill by the story of a constituent, Daniela Peleaz, who came to the United States from Colombia with her family when she was four. Now Peleaz, a high school valedictorian who has been accepted to Dartmouth, faces the possibility of deportation.

The legislation authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to suspend the deportation of an undocumented immigrant and to grant him or her temporary non-immigrant status if he or she is 19 years of age or younger, arrived in the U.S. before age 16, has lived here for five consecutive years and has been accepted by a four-year college or university. After five years, those students who have graduated could apply for a five-year extension of non-immigrant status. After eight years of non-immigrant status, the students would be eligible to apply for permanent residence.


Rivera’s bill faces the same obstacles that have stymied Rubio: a Republican presidential candidate who is uninterested in immigration reform as a campaign issue, a party on Capitol Hill that is actively hostile to the idea of helping undocumented youth, and a Democratic president who already seems to have the Hispanic vote wrapped up.


Rivera’s initiative is even more limited than the limited approach that Rubio says he wants to take. Gaby Pacheco, a United We Dream leader, described the bill as a “¼ DREAM Act.”

“It mirrors the DREAM Act with a component for achieving permanent residency after ten years, but it has no provisions for military service, and it applies to a much smaller group,” Pacheco said. She said DREAM activists were nonetheless open to supporting the bill if it would spare any young people from deportation, but that they needed more time to study its provisions.


Ira Mehlman, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which favors reducing both legal and illegal immigration, dismissed Rivera’s bill as a form of amnesty “that is not going to be acceptable to us or the vast majority of the American people.”

Pacheco said the DREAM Act students enlisted the law professors to pressure the Obama administration to halt deportations while Congress tries to address the issue.

“Even Republicans are saying something needs to be done,” she said. “We’ve been hearing from Celia Munoz [Obama's adviser on Latino affairs] that the president says, ‘I wish had the power’ to stop the deportations. Well he does.”


The letter from the law professors said the president has wide leeway under the law to defer deportations.

“We did not want doubt about the president’s legal authority to muddy the waters of the debate,” Hiroshi Motomura, a law professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, and author of the letter, told the Times.

But with the president reluctant to be seen as protecting illegal immigrants and the inability of Republicans like Rivera and Rubio to sway their party, the political prospects of relief for undocumented students are worse than ever.


Jefferson Morley is a staff writer for Salon in Washington and author of the forthcoming book, Snow-Storm in August: Washington City, Francis Scott Key, and the Forgotten Race Riot of 1835

http://www.salon.com/2012/05/31/drea...ice/singleton/

Smooth 06-01-2012 10:03 AM

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Fuck this bill. If it were to pass, call it game over for those who also came here before the age of 16 (some at the age of 2 or 3) but have aged because of governmental inaction. This shit is fucking intensely inhumane and inconsiderate.

2Face 06-01-2012 10:11 AM

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The Obama Administration is guilty of the BIGGEST back stabbing job ever in the history of mankind. He has used Latino votes to become the first African American President and he has then gone on to deport non-criminal children of undocumented immigrants. This guy is not issuing an EO to JUST HALT DEPORTATIONS. How can we expect him to issue an EO to grant us work permits? We must be kidding! Feck we have no supporter..how the hell is this thing gonna work out...on the other hand we have another guy who's trying to squeeze more and more votes outta this issue..unbelievable he is Latino too.

2Face 06-01-2012 10:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 257348)
Fuck this bill. If it were to pass, call it game over for those who also came here before the age of 16 (some at the age of 2 or 3) but have aged because of governmental inaction. This shit is fucking intensely inhumane and inconsiderate.

Relax brah. God is great. The sun rises every day. There is proof for you. It shall rise one day for us too. Don't get worked up about this new House bill. It has no chance and if Rubio is planning on introducing something similar in the Senate, it will have no chance. But I can tell you this. The coming months will decide our future. I am telling you if Obama does not issue EO or if the bill doesn't pass BEFORE the elections, I am fecking carving my own path..either marriage or GTFO. I am not waiting for that backstabber to issue an EO after he wins the election. I'm gonna start applying to Jobs in Canada. Toronto is much cleaner and pleasant than America anyways.

cacheton011 06-01-2012 10:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 257348)
Fuck this bill. If it were to pass, call it game over for those who also came here before the age of 16 (some at the age of 2 or 3) but have aged because of governmental inaction. This shit is fucking intensely inhumane and inconsiderate.

SOBATE!!! lol

This bill is going nowhere. If Obama doesn't do shit for us by Christmas, I think I'll be making an early exit next year. Why? The exchange rate for the U.S dollar to MXN peso is $1 to 14.4 pesos. I hope it keeps going up...

Smooth 06-01-2012 10:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 257350)
Relax brah. God is great. The sun rises every day. There is proof for you. It shall rise one day for us too. Don't get worked up about this new House bill. It has no chance and if Rubio is planning on introducing something similar in the Senate, it will have no chance. But I can tell you this. The coming months will decide our future. I am telling you if Obama does not issue EO or if the bill doesn't pass BEFORE the elections, I am fecking carving my own path..either marriage or GTFO. I am not waiting for that backstabber to issue an EO after he wins the election. I'm gonna start applying to Jobs in Canada. Toronto is much cleaner and pleasant than America anyways.

Indeed, Allah Akhbar (sorry if I misspelled that). It just angers me greatly. WHY IN THE FUCK DOES AGE HAVE TO A FUCKING FILTER IN THIS SHIT?

Some relief has to happen this year. Fuck the lip service from both sides.

freshh. 06-01-2012 10:41 AM

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Edited posts for excessive profanity. Last warning, Smooth. I agree with you, but DAP is a public forum and what is posted here is a reflection of all of us.

Calling people out is going overboard.

gebodupa 06-01-2012 10:46 AM

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Lol at 19 years of age, and younger than 16 when they came in, and lived here for 5 years. This basically qualifies only those who emigrated between 1993 and 2008, and were also born between 1993 and 2007.

Now, they also have to be accepted by a 4-year American university, only then can they get a non-immigrant visa.

=====!!!=====

Here's the punchline, anyone who is18.5 or younger, can leave the country without a ban, and simply apply for a student visa. If one already has an acceptance letter from an American university, and has shown that they are willing to leave when their status goes south, their petition will most likely get approved. You used to be able to do it from within the US, but I think they have changed it a bit.

The only thing this non-immigrant status would grant, is the right to work, which is usually also granted to graduate students with their visas. 8-year waiting period for the right to apply for PR? Come on.

This is not a dream act, it does not actually do anything, and if the legislature actually wastes their time and takes it up, it will be the biggest political farce of all.

Smooth 06-01-2012 10:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 257355)
Edited posts for excessive profanity. Last warning, Smooth. I agree with you, but DAP is a public forum and what is posted here is a reflection of all of us.

Calling people out is going overboard.

Profanity my rear-end. You gave me an infraction for saying this:

Fuck this bill. If it were to pass, call it game over for those who also came here before the age of 16 (some at the age of 2 or 3) but have aged because of governmental inaction. This shit is fucking intensely inhumane and inconsiderate.


Don't lie. And, it is inhumane. You disagree or view my post as trolling because I bet you would benefit from the STARS Act. IT IS INHUMANE, period because many of us would be filtered out based on a factor that we cannot control. Stop being so freaking authoritarian and let us express our opinions.

freshh. 06-01-2012 10:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 257358)
Profanity my rear-end. You gave me an infraction for saying this:

Fuck this bill. If it were to pass, call it game over for those who also came here before the age of 16 (some at the age of 2 or 3) but have aged because of governmental inaction. This shit is fucking intensely inhumane and inconsiderate.


Don't lie. And, it is inhumane. You disagree or view my post as trolling because I bet you would benefit from the STARS Act. IT IS INHUMANE, period because many of us would be filtered out based on a factor that we cannot control. Stop being so freaking authoritarian and let us express our opinions.

I gave you the infraction for what I had to remove. This isn't the first or second time other users have had to tell you to tone it down. I was going to delete the entire post, but what you said in the beginning is the truth. STARS is inhumane and doesn't address the overall need of the undocumented student population.

I'm 25. DREAM Act is my last hope, just like you.

Smooth 06-01-2012 10:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 257355)
Edited posts for excessive profanity. Last warning, Smooth. I agree with you, but DAP is a public forum and what is posted here is a reflection of all of us.

Calling people out is going overboard.

No. You sent me a private message, and you clearly highlighted why I got an infraction. And, it wasn't for "calling people out" or profanity.

You defend what you would benefit from. I don't believe you are 25.

2Face 06-01-2012 10:56 AM

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Smooth, it's alright bro. Don't spoil your weekend because of some stupid news like this. It has no sense in it. You are a graduate of an American institution. You know this bill will not pass!! So don't overeact. Just let the game play out. Both Rubio and Obama are cornering themselves. Watch what happens...I guarantee you one of them will have to fold and completely surrender and this will mean something will happen for us.

Smooth 06-01-2012 11:01 AM

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II. Posting GUIDELINES
Make sure you post in the right forum.
Try to use proper grammar and write clearly.
Try to stay on topic. If you have something off topic to say, do not hesitate to create another thread in the appropriate section.
This forum will not censor explicit language, but we ask that you refrain from using it unnecessarily.


What happened to censoring profanity or explicit language? Who deems it to be necessary or unneccesary? I can argue that my language is necessary/justified because the actions/intentions of Daniela and Rivera are inhumane to another level.

Smooth 06-01-2012 11:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 257361)
Smooth, it's alright bro. Don't spoil your weekend because of some stupid news like this. It has no sense in it. You are a graduate of an American institution. You know this bill will not pass!! So don't overeact. Just let the game play out. Both Rubio and Obama are cornering themselves. Watch what happens...I guarantee you one of them will have to fold and completely surrender and this will mean something will happen for us.

agreed.

freshh. 06-01-2012 11:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 257365)
II. Posting GUIDELINES
Make sure you post in the right forum.
Try to use proper grammar and write clearly.
Try to stay on topic. If you have something off topic to say, do not hesitate to create another thread in the appropriate section.
This forum will not censor explicit language, but we ask that you refrain from using it unnecessarily.

What happened to censoring profanity or explicit language? Who deems it to be necessary or unneccesary? I can argue that my language is necessary/justified because the actions of Daniela and Rivera are inhumane to another level.

This forum will not censor explicit language, but we ask that you refrain from using it unnecessarily.

If you want to take it up with Nick, feel free to do so.

Smooth 06-01-2012 11:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 257367)
This forum will not censor explicit language, but we ask that you refrain from using it unnecessarily.

If you want to take it up with Nick, feel free to do so.

You guys need to define what is necessary and what isn't. Or eliminate the rule. Or do something else. Or ban profanity altogether. Stupid rule.

2Face 06-01-2012 12:27 PM

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Stay strong for few more weeks fellas. Something will come through..I'm sure. Dream is not Dream without us. Simple concept that you and these politicians in particular must digest. Stay the course..that's all we can do.

Kristof 06-01-2012 12:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gebodupa (Post 257356)
Lol at 19 years of age, and younger than 16 when they came in, and lived here for 5 years. This basically qualifies only those who emigrated between 1993 and 2008, and were also born between 1993 and 2007.

Now, they also have to be accepted by a 4-year American university, only then can they get a non-immigrant visa.

=====!!!=====

Here's the punchline, anyone who is18.5 or younger, can leave the country without a ban, and simply apply for a student visa. If one already has an acceptance letter from an American university, and has shown that they are willing to leave when their status goes south, their petition will most likely get approved. You used to be able to do it from within the US, but I think they have changed it a bit.

The only thing this non-immigrant status would grant, is the right to work, which is usually also granted to graduate students with their visas. 8-year waiting period for the right to apply for PR? Come on.

This is not a dream act, it does not actually do anything, and if the legislature actually wastes their time and takes it up, it will be the biggest political farce of all.

I was misinformed and didn't even know about the 18 to 18.5 age thing. Besides, how could I get money to buy a plane ticket to go anyway?

It doesn't matter, I am now one of the many that have passed the 18-18.5 age and now are banned for no reason.

Dreamer12 06-01-2012 12:49 PM

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It gets me a little mad to think that the girl pelaez who inspired this senator to write this bill. She basically created a bill that would benefit her. She didn't think of the older dreamers. I just turn 19 years old, I qualify for this bill berely. But seriously I can't afford to go to a 4 year college right away. Right now I am at a community college. Well hope it passes

Biblio 06-01-2012 01:06 PM

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Articles are saying it's 19 and younger, but the actual bill says:
Quote:

the alien was younger than 19 years of
age on the date of the submission of the appli-
cation under this section, except that the alien
may submit an application under this section
before attaining the age of 21 years in the case
of an alien who, before attaining the age of 19
years, was granted voluntary departure
I'd say that someone wouldn't qualify for the STARS act if they were 19.

Here is the text of the billhttp://rivera.house.gov/sites/rivera...TARS%20Act.pdf
I found it on Rep. Rivera's website.

2Face 06-01-2012 01:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreamer12 (Post 257381)
It gets me a little mad to think that the girl pelaez who inspired this senator to write this bill. She basically created a bill that would benefit her. She didn't think of the older dreamers. I just turn 19 years old, I qualify for this bill berely. But seriously I can't afford to go to a 4 year college right away. Right now I am at a community college. Well hope it passes

damnnnn yo stop this overreaction about the girl. She didn't create the bill. The Congressperson did. It's every man for himself...do what you gotta do to get yourself in lol..eff everybody else.

h3wlett 06-01-2012 01:40 PM

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......

bama_kay 06-01-2012 02:37 PM

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19 year old DREAMers actually wouldn't be applicable for this bill. The pdf of the bill states that aliens "younger than 19" would be applicable for relief. Wow. Same for the 21 thing. You have to be under 21 with a voluntary departure notice before you turned 19 to be able to apply. I definitely don't apply, and I believe a vast majority of other DREAMers wouldn't either.

Dream becomes Reality 06-01-2012 03:28 PM

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Guys, don't get worked up over this Bill, it is NOT going to pass. It's way too narrow to make a reasonable impact on immigration reform.

hollisterco 06-01-2012 07:23 PM

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oh wow i only read the before 16 part but they still have the stupid under 19 clause? damm fuck these guys no wonder everyones mad i thought they got rid of that since it hasn't been mentioned in any of the recent articles, i agree with helwett on his post, this is why i tell you guys dont be so trusting of the GOP or any DA they have, they're the reason nothings been done to begin with, and not only with a nay, but by being the biggest pricks spreading rumors about us and getting people in general riled up about hating us

they vote in racists like JT Ready, Russell Pearce, and that new guy last week in PA, and just about every state legislature in the south and letting them spread their shit against us thru laws all cuz they don't wanna cater to minority voters and are 'afraid' that ppl won't like all the asshole moves theyve been pulling for years instead of maybe easing off on it, BOHNER was the one who said the GOP DA wouldn't pass, so believe me when i say its only an election year gimick to try and steal hispanics away from the Obama vote, not that i like how he lied but what choice do they offer

ps: yea i doubt the bill will pass, guys like gutierrez aint stupid, but the trick here is that the majority of ppl dont read into the fine print, and those are the votes Republicans always aim for and get, ppl who still vote on shit like gay marriage or church or shit that doesnt matter, not only will they divide and split Latino Hisp. support, they're also trying to take credit for the DA, however, there is good, each time the DA is in the news it helps us, eventually itll be talked about so much that real debates about it will start taking place, thats where the Dems ripped us off in 2010, this is the beginning but for that this bill cannot pass bc its a counterfeit watered down DA

Dreamer12 06-01-2012 08:05 PM

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Wow! I'm mad now

JohannBernoulli1667 06-01-2012 09:22 PM

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Well, I wonder what the Rubio 'Dream Act' will actually be called. He better do not call it the Dream ACT. He should name it something along the lines of the NAACT...(Non ANMESTY Act)

Smooth 06-01-2012 09:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 257431)
Well, I wonder what the Rubio 'Dream Act' will actually be called. He better do not call it the Dream ACT. He should name it something along the lines of the NAACT...(Non ANMESTY Act)

hhahaha yeah.

dtrt09 06-01-2012 09:53 PM

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Am I the only one suspicious of the Democrats' silence??????? And the Obama campaign's silence on these proposals???? It's as if they are testing how little people are willing to settle for and then plannning on aiming for the low standard.

Listen, I've been through a lot, personally and profesionally, and I can understand naivity of those who haven't had real world experiece, but, believe me, I am not trying to bring anyone down... I smell backroom deal. Just who exactly it will screw is what we'll find out.

greentea 06-01-2012 09:56 PM

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The Democrats silence is probably based on insider info that Rubio is just spewing bullshit and won't continue on with this charade.

Honestly, this seemed like a bigger disappointment than previous DA attempts, atleast the majority of democrats supported it, unlike the majority of GOP.

Dreamer12 06-02-2012 12:00 AM

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I just called Rubio. He said it will pass

minus 06-02-2012 01:06 PM

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Is this a sign what's to come from Rubio? I really hope I'm wrong about Rubio's Dream Act and that his intentions are genuine.

sauronsauroff 06-02-2012 05:07 PM

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Rubio and other republicans, if you're not interested in realistically pushing for any form of DA, just say so and drop the act. Stop screwing with our lives.
I have a plane ticket out of here for July that I need to decide whether to postpone or not.


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