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boosterman 10-24-2012 04:26 PM

Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
Hopefully my parents will benefit from this :)

Quote:

In the interview, Obama said he is confident his administration will pass immigration reform and achieve the equivalent of a grand bargain with Congress.

After failing to achieve comprehensive immigration reform in his first term, the president said Republicans, given the large Latino vote, will be invested in changing the system.

"I'm confident we'll get done next year is immigration reform," Obama said in the transcript of the interview posted online by the paper. "And since this is off the record, I will just be very blunt. Should I win a second term, a big reason I will win a second term is because the Republican nominee and the Republican Party have so alienated the fastest-growing demographic group in the country, the Latino community."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...erm/?hpt=hp_t2

frbc13 10-24-2012 05:03 PM

Re: Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
For some reason I feel like I've heard this before....huh....must be deja vu or something

theguywitheyes 10-24-2012 05:30 PM

Re: Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
Go.....pass....

JJ Glo 10-24-2012 06:27 PM

Re: Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by frbc13 (Post 351548)
For some reason I feel like I've heard this before....huh....must be deja vu or something

It does ring a bell doesn't it?...

First year....immigration reform....feels just like 2008.

https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/1...kDMwtdJIQ2.jpg

MDxOD 10-24-2012 06:27 PM

Re: Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
He was confident first term

chlehqls 10-24-2012 06:34 PM

Re: Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
So much for off the record.

Meh, DACA got implemented which is the best thing in this volatile political atmosphere. Something will most likely happen in the second term. He has to secure the Latino vote somehow for his base for the next generation of Democratic Presidential candidates (Cory Booker? Julian Castro?)

Rational and reasonable guesses on my part.

NK74 10-24-2012 08:41 PM

Re: Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
I am sorry to say it won't happen. It won't be Obama's fault either. The president is one branch out of the three. As long as Republicans have the House and the ability to filibuster in the senate, it's very tough for immigration reform to happen.

What will change their minds though is if they start losing safe seats in places like Arizona, Nevada, Texas along with the presidency and they realize that they cannot be a viable national party without courting the hispanic vote.

yonah 10-25-2012 11:03 AM

Re: Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
If the economy doesn't start picking up dramatically within the next 4 years I can't see it happening... Then again I never say DACA happening either...

sdh02 10-25-2012 12:00 PM

Re: Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
I think CIR is still hard thing to do considering this economy.. but at least he should try to pass DREAM Act in first year and try CIR again before his second term ends..

WillHayes 10-25-2012 03:26 PM

Re: Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chlehqls (Post 351668)
So much for off the record.

Meh, DACA got implemented which is the best thing in this volatile political atmosphere. Something will most likely happen in the second term. He has to secure the Latino vote somehow for his base for the next generation of Democratic Presidential candidates (Cory Booker? Julian Castro?)

Rational and reasonable guesses on my part.


Secure Latino Vote? Why bother? He lied about passing it in his first term, and Latinos are still supporting him. All the next Dem running for Pres. has to do is say he'll do it in the first term, and Latinos will fall for it again.

Please show me one concrete action he took to try and pass CIR, besides speeches. He didn't lift a finger. He knew Latinos would still support him.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...-EKT4hmgcF4-zY

JJ Glo 10-25-2012 05:37 PM

Re: Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillHayes (Post 352767)
Secure Latino Vote? Why bother? He lied about passing it in his first term, and Latinos are still supporting him. All the next Dem running for Pres. has to do is say he'll do it in the first term, and Latinos will fall for it again.

Please show me one concrete action he took to try and pass CIR, besides speeches. He didn't lift a finger. He knew Latinos would still support him.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...-EKT4hmgcF4-zY

He doesn't have to do much work convincing Latinos with the passing of DACA the Republicans being so against illegal immigrants.

If Romney loses this election, Republicans will have to turn their focus more on Latinos.

RS22 10-27-2012 03:21 AM

Re: Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
It's very simple. If there are votes for CIR in Congress, he can get it done. If there aren't, he can't.

What happened in 2009 is that all the Republicans who previously supported CIR reversed their position (1) because they didn't want to give Obama any political victories and (2) because of pressure from the xenophobic elements of their base who helped defeat 2007 effort. Obama is hoping that the Republicans will reverse course again and support CIR if they lose the Presidential election because of the Latino vote. We'll see. Only one way to find out.

RS22 10-27-2012 03:31 AM

Re: Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillHayes (Post 352767)
Secure Latino Vote? Why bother? He lied about passing it in his first term, and Latinos are still supporting him. All the next Dem running for Pres. has to do is say he'll do it in the first term, and Latinos will fall for it again.

Please show me one concrete action he took to try and pass CIR, besides speeches. He didn't lift a finger. He knew Latinos would still support him.

How can he "lie" about something that is based, in part, on what Congress is willing to do? He said that he would push for CIR. But when it became clear that the Republicans, and even some Democrats, were not going to cooperate, there's not a whole lot he can do. Heck, they couldn't even get the Dream Act through Congress, much less CIR.

This is just a lesson in the limits of Presidential power. The same thing happened on climate change legislation. And this is why we need to elect people up and down the ballot -- from the President to Senators to Congressmen -- who support immigration reform.

WillHayes 10-27-2012 02:08 PM

Re: Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RS22 (Post 354950)
How can he "lie" about something that is based, in part, on what Congress is willing to do? He said that he would push for CIR. But when it became clear that the Republicans, and even some Democrats, were not going to cooperate, there's not a whole lot he can do. Heck, they couldn't even get the Dream Act through Congress, much less CIR.

This is just a lesson in the limits of Presidential power. The same thing happened on climate change legislation. And this is why we need to elect people up and down the ballot -- from the President to Senators to Congressmen -- who support immigration reform.

Congress didn't want Obamacare, it passed anyway, without a single Republican, and with some parts of the bill needing the "nuclear option". Some Democrats didn't want to vote for Obamacare, he made them vote for it anyway. Ex: Ben Nelson got the "Cornhusker kickback", and Mary Landrieu got the "Louisiana Purchase", so they would vote for it. Look these names up and you'll see the Obama hypocrisy.

circasurvive 10-27-2012 02:12 PM

Re: Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RS22 (Post 354950)
How can he "lie" about something that is based, in part, on what Congress is willing to do? He said that he would push for CIR. But when it became clear that the Republicans, and even some Democrats, were not going to cooperate, there's not a whole lot he can do. Heck, they couldn't even get the Dream Act through Congress, much less CIR.

This is just a lesson in the limits of Presidential power. The same thing happened on climate change legislation. And this is why we need to elect people up and down the ballot -- from the President to Senators to Congressmen -- who support immigration reform.

No, he promised he would pass immigration reform. Yes, it was Congress's inaction that killed it, but again, don't promise something you know 100% that you won't fulfill.

DA User 10-27-2012 05:08 PM

Re: Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
I think 2013 is the year for CIR/DA.

Justin2014 10-27-2012 05:35 PM

Re: Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
I think there is a reason why he said since this is off the record. =p

frbc13 10-29-2012 01:37 PM

Re: Obama 'confident' about immigration reform in a second term
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DA User (Post 355244)
I think 2013 is the year for CIR/DA.

Of course you do


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