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Rev_Scholar 11-12-2012 08:21 PM

Immigration Reform Effort To Begin In Senate Post-Inauguration
 
Find the link here.

It is almost inevitable that something will get done. Keep your fingers crossed lads.

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WASHINGTON -- Senate Democrats are planning to quickly revisit immigration reform after President Barack Obama's inauguration, according to several Democratic sources.
What type of legislation they will end up pushing has yet to be discussed in detail. But the party feels emboldened by Tuesday's election results, in which Republicans suffered a blistering defeat among Latinos. And there is a sense that the political landscape couldn't be more ripe for a legislative topic that's proved dicey in the past.
"I am optimistic," Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said of immigration reform at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast on Thursday morning. Schumer chairs the immigration subcommittee. "It is a little bit of a mirror image like the fiscal cliff. I think there are a large number of Republicans who understand that the anti-immigrant position, no immigration, we couldn't even pass a [worker visa] STEM bill through the House because the Republican caucus said you can't have a net increase in any immigrants."
A Democratic Senate source who spoke on condition of anonymity told The Huffington Post that the full push for reform won't happen immediately, but will begin soon after Obama starts his second term. The Dream Act, which would give legal status to undocumented young people who came to the U.S. as children, will be included in the efforts, according to the source.
"This isn't going to happen during lame duck," the source said.
The Obama administration has been a bit coy on what it views as its list of second-term priorities, with much of the early focus being spent on fiscal and tax policies that will take effect at the end of the year. But one close Obama advisor, not authorized to speak on the issue, said it made eminent political sense to try immigration reform at the top of the second term. And the president himself seemed to preview his intentions of doing just that during an interview with Univision late in his campaign, saying it was amonghis biggest failures.
"I can promise that I will try to do it in the first year of my second term. I want to try this year," Obama said in another Univision interviewearlier in the campaign.
The election provided a referendum of sorts on the Republican party's immigration platform, and the results were close to pitiful. More than 70 percent of Latinos supported Obama over GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney. Polling found that a majority of Latinos were put off by Romney's rhetoric and legislative positions on immigration, particularly his opposition to the Dream Act and a deferred action policy by Obama that would impact the same undocumented young people.
That dynamic extends to congressional Republicans, who -- with the help of five Democrats -- killed the Dream Act in the Senate in 2010 and have blocked other immigration measures as well.
The hope among reform advocates is that Tuesday's results have dramatically changed the landscape. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Wednesday that immigration reform is "very high" on his list of post-election priorities, and that Republicans could block itat their own "peril."
Schumer said Senate Democrats "basically have the outlines" for immigration reform, which includes pressuring Republican members who previously showed support for visa measures to come back to the cause. Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) will be targeted in particular, Reid and Schumer said.
"I think [Republicans] are going to want to do it now," Schumer said. "[It] is at the top of the list because the nation demands it and needs it. And, again, I think in the exit polls, two-thirds of Americans basically agreed with the concept of real immigration reform."
He's right: Americans in general, even Republicans, support immigration reform more than the congressional GOP would suggest. Sixty-five percent of voters support giving undocumented immigrants working in the U.S. a path to legal status, including 37 percent of Republicans, according to exit polls. Other polling indicates that a majority of non-Latinos also support the Dream Act and its allowance for young undocumented immigrants to eventually earn citizenship.
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) planned earlier this year to introduce a Dream Act-lite that would allow some undocumented young people to gain legal status, but not citizenship. He dropped those plans after Obama's deferred action directive, but some have called for him to take up the effort again, and he will likely be a leader among the Republicans on immigration reform. Alex Conant, his spokesman, declined to comment on Rubio's plans on the issue.
Some have also called for Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) to rejoin the effort for legislation to help undocumented youth. Hatch was an original co-sponsor of the Dream Act with Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) in 2001, but voted against it in its most recent iteration. Hatch spokeswoman Antonia Ferrier said "he'd be happy to listen to his colleagues" on immigration reform, but will keep his focus on economic issues as the lead Republican on the Senate Finance Committee.
McCain's office did not respond to a request for comment on how, or if, he will be involved.
Another Democratic Senate source, who also spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss planning, said they hope to have Republicans put forward their own plan so there can be a debate over whether immigration reform should include pathways to citizenship, for example. The source added that the Democratic plan would likely be similar to the broad bill put forward this session.
"The thinking has been done about what are the different elements that are going to be included in a bill, and now it's just a question of what Republicans are going to agree to," the source said.
UPDATE: 5:15 p.m. -- House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) told ABC News on Thursday that immigration reform would be a priority in the next Congress.
"This issue has been around far too long," he said. "A comprehensive approach is long overdue, and I'm confident that the president, myself, others can find the common ground to take care of this issue once and for all."

AngelGdo 11-12-2012 08:40 PM

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Immigration is starting to get some serious P = MV!

ways 11-12-2012 08:51 PM

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my mom said that she said on the Hispanic news that people should start getting their documents rdy because something can happen by May

chlehqls 11-12-2012 09:03 PM

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Wow, not doing it in the Lame-duck session? That's pretty ballsy and will really put the GOP in the spotlight since they're the ones to most likely to resist.

2Face 11-12-2012 09:08 PM

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Here's the most important part of this article I agree with. It is important to fix the immigration system and pass something at the "top of the second term." Reason being that it will take significant time for ALL 13+ million of us to adjust. And THEN is when the show begins. Gradually we see how this affects the economy and if it indeed is a positive change as we all predict and I certainly think this will be the case. Obama is going to be on a legacy building approach. I'm sure this will happen at the top half of next year. The Dems will ruthlessly push something. Let's see how much they give in to GOP demands.

DA User 11-12-2012 09:15 PM

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There is not the time to tackle CIR in lame duck. Very little time. You can't rush this high profile bill in lame duck. What they did in 2010 Lame Duck for Dream Act was wrong too.

2Face 11-12-2012 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 369596)
There is not time to tackle CIR in lame duck. Very little time. You can't rush this high profile bill in lame duck. What they did in 2010 Lame Duck for Dream Act was wrong too.

DA..you see us kids just got one slice of the Pizza last June. You will directly get the full pie hopefully by summer next year!

DA User 11-12-2012 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 369606)
DA..you see us kids just got one slice of the Pizza last June. You will directly get the full pie hopefully by summer next year!

What about the 31+ who got nothing had been waiting longer than most Dreamers?

2Face 11-12-2012 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 369624)
What about the 31+ who got nothing had been waiting longer than most Dreamers?

They will get the full pie!!! Damn man.

MadMan 11-12-2012 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 369624)
What about the 31+ who got nothing had been waiting longer than most Dreamers?

I hope older Dreamers can receive relief!

Smooth 11-12-2012 10:27 PM

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I say comprehensive immigration reform will happen next year. I am betting my well-being on this.

If it does not happen, we can all meet somewhere, and all of you can just beat the beh-jesus out of me.

MadMan 11-12-2012 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 369662)
I say comprehensive immigration reform will happen next year. I am betting my well-being on this.

If it does not happen, we can all meet somewhere, and all of you can just beat the beh-jesus out of me.

Aw. I couldn't hurt you Smooth! I like you too much. But all of us can meet in Vegas or SD and drown our sorrows in alcohol and etc if nothing happens.

Something will happen next year no doubt.

danieltij 11-12-2012 11:10 PM

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Does anyone else think DA is more likely to pass first than CIR within the next 2 years?

Smooth 11-12-2012 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by danieltij (Post 369710)
Does anyone else think DA is more likely to pass first than CIR within the next 2 years?

Considering that Republicans have been declaring that they want to solve the issue (aka border security, dreamers, non-dreamers, etc..), CIR is more likely to pass than the DA. Some GOP legislators, such as Senator John Cornyn, consider the DA to be a bandaid.

2Face 11-12-2012 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMan (Post 369664)
Aw. I couldn't hurt you Smooth! I like you too much. But all of us can meet in Vegas or SD and drown our sorrows in alcohol and etc if nothing happens.

Something will happen next year no doubt.

I'm down for Vegas. I would actually be willing to do shit that I'd rather leave there before coming home :mrgreen:

2Face 11-12-2012 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 369715)
Considering that Republicans have been declaring that they want to solve the issue (aka border security, dreamers, non-dreamers, etc..), CIR is more likely to pass than the DA. Some GOP legislators, such as Senator John Cornyn, consider the DA to be a bandaid.

I honestly think whatever happens...DACA beneficiaries will surely have Dream Act passed AKA Conditional Green Card AKA Green Card with 365 day travel restriction..I think it was something like that. The battle will be about what type of benefit to give to the rest of the undocumented population..just guest visas or path to green card like us?

Smooth 11-12-2012 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 369747)
I honestly think whatever happens...DACA beneficiaries will surely have Dream Act passed AKA Conditional Green Card AKA Green Card with 365 day travel restriction..I think it was something like that. The battle will be about what type of benefit to give to the rest of the undocumented population..just guest visas or path to green card like us?

Good point. I cannot wait for next year!:D

vivace 11-12-2012 11:55 PM

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If CIR passes, even DREAMers get taken care of, too.
I'd rather see CIR pass so my mom AND I can get our papers.

MadMan 11-13-2012 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 369745)
I'm down for Vegas. I would actually be willing to do shit that I'd rather leave there before coming home :mrgreen:

Alright. When DA or CIR passes, everyone come here to celebrate!

:-D:-D:-D8)8)8)

DA User 11-13-2012 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MadMan (Post 369640)
I hope older Dreamers can receive relief!

With another DHS policy?

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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 369662)
I say comprehensive immigration reform will happen next year. I am betting my well-being on this.

If it does not happen, we can all meet somewhere, and all of you can just beat the beh-jesus out of me.

I think it will be in February of 2013.

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Originally Posted by danieltij (Post 369710)
Does anyone else think DA is more likely to pass first than CIR within the next 2 years?

I think CIR/DA will pass in February of 2013. I have nothing more to say.

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 369747)
I honestly think whatever happens...DACA beneficiaries will surely have Dream Act passed AKA Conditional Green Card AKA Green Card with 365 day travel restriction..I think it was something like that. The battle will be about what type of benefit to give to the rest of the undocumented population..just guest visas or path to green card like us?

Will they add Retroactive?

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Originally Posted by vivace (Post 369771)
If CIR passes, even DREAMers get taken care of, too.
I'd rather see CIR pass so my mom AND I can get our papers.

A USC son/daughter over the age of 21 can petition their parents. Once YOU become a USC than you can petition for your mother.

vivace 11-13-2012 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 369832)
A USC son/daughter over the age of 21 can petition their parents. Once YOU become a USC than you can petition for your mother.

Yeah, sure. But it would be much nicer if my mom can get her papers at the same time that I do. If the 2010 version of DA passes, she'd have to wait around at least 13 years for me to petition for her. She's already dying to go home and visit her aging mother. Ain't nobody waiting 13 years for me to become a USC.

I can forego DA in favor of CIR.

DA User 11-13-2012 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by vivace (Post 369903)
Yeah, sure. But it would be much nicer if my mom can get her papers at the same time that I do. If the 2010 version of DA passes, she'd have to wait around at least 13 years for me to petition for her. She's already dying to go home and visit her aging mother. Ain't nobody waiting 13 years for me to become a USC.

I can forego DA in favor of CIR.

Of course. We all want CIR/DA to pass soon. I was just giving out an option. It would be a last resort though. Still better than no light in the tunnel.

Rev_Scholar 11-13-2012 01:50 PM

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Wednesday that immigration reform is "very high" on his list of post-election priorities, and that Republicans could block it at their own "peril."
Reid's absolutely right. If the Republicans block any more efforts of immigration reform, they know that they're basically obliterating their chances of ever getting the latino vote, which ultimately means they have a much lower chance at getting a Repub. President elected. They've driven themselves into a ditch, and the recent election will serve as a stern reminder of it.

Dargwe 11-13-2012 04:42 PM

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just for the record, this article was already in the forum

http://dreamact.info/forum/showthread.php?t=34235

Osito 11-13-2012 05:07 PM

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Obamacare passed during the lame duck session of last congress. So they can and have pushed pretty strong/controversial bills during lame duck sessions.

My crystal ball says CIR will be on table around June of next year.

DA User 11-14-2012 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Osito (Post 370424)
Obamacare passed during the lame duck session of last congress. So they can and have pushed pretty strong/controversial bills during lame duck sessions.

My crystal ball says CIR will be on table around June of next year.

Are you sure that Obamacare passed in Lame Duck?

I think CIR/DA passes in February of 2013.

kabs 11-14-2012 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 370945)
Are you sure that Obamacare passed in Lame Duck?

I think CIR/DA passes in February of 2013.

This. Republicans risk losing Latinos for an entire generation. They won't take it there.

Osito 11-14-2012 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 370945)
Are you sure that Obamacare passed in Lame Duck?

I looked it up and I was wrong. It passed Senate on Christmas Eve of 2009 not 2010. so you're right.

my crystal ball only looks at the future and not the past.

DA User 11-15-2012 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Osito (Post 371268)
I looked it up and I was wrong. It passed Senate on Christmas Eve of 2009 not 2010. so you're right.

my crystal ball only looks at the future and not the past.

So what does your crystal ball say right now for CIR/DA?

Osito 11-15-2012 12:47 PM

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my crystal ball is in the shop right now. but before it went in it said to expect it to pass in late spring/early summer. seriously, so hoping it passes.


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