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Ianus 03-16-2013 10:07 PM

Senators eye higher visa fees to pay for border security, other parts of bill
 
I guess it is time to start saving if the Gang of 8 intend on making the fees for legalization potentially high.
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The bipartisan group of U.S. senators working on immigration-reform legislation is considering higher visa fees and fines to offset the cost of expensive provisions in the bill, according to The Wall Street Journal.

The framework of the bill calls for additional border security, a system to track people when they enter and exit the U.S. on visas and improved employment-verification systems, The Journal reports.

Those involved in the Senate discussions say there are two clear places to find revenue: Higher visa fees from businesses that want to bring highly skilled workers to the U.S. and fines on undocumented immigrants now in the country who choose to pursue legal status.

However, such an approach could spark a backlash from businesses and immigration advocates.

The Senate effort is expected to make more visas available to companies that want to bring skilled workers to the U.S. It now costs between $1,575 and $5,550 in fees to obtain the most popular of those visas, the H-1B visa, and that's before taking to account the fees companies pay lawyers to file the applications. The senators expect to unveil in early April

RJD 03-16-2013 10:38 PM

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hopefully dreamers don't get a high fine

youngunner 03-16-2013 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RJD (Post 445967)
hopefully dreamers don't get a high fine

Yeah I don't think the Dreamers will get the same treatment as others do. They already mentioned several times that we will get treated differently (most likely better).

2Face 03-16-2013 10:50 PM

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Well lets start throwing the numbers then. I think anything over $3,000 per individual would be totally absurd. First of all, DACA beneficiaries should not be fined any more. They should be immediately awarded Green Cards. But the rest of the individuals should expect to pay between a grand and 3 g's as a fine. Furthermore, they should expect to present proof of payment of taxes of EACH year they have been present in the United States. Can't wait until this bill is released.

Tovicmar 03-16-2013 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 445971)
[i] Can't wait until this bill is released.

Me too! In such way I can read the bill and all speculations end.

Happyman0607 03-17-2013 12:58 AM

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Word around the kitchen is it's gonna be released this week, keeping my fingers crossed lol I'm not even in a rush for a GC or anything, I'm just curious to see what's in it lol although I'd love to be a permanent resident tomorrow :D thinking of applying for the Navy

DA User 03-17-2013 01:27 AM

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Great news. I think $10,000 per person is fair as long as it will help pass.

Pluribus 03-17-2013 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 446007)
Great news. I think $10,000 per person is fair as long as it will help pass.


C'mon DA User, what kind of optimism is that from you? 10 grand? C'mon.

I can imagine the thoughts of lawyers around the country at the sight of 10 grand. We might as well buy them condos.

zone2oo0 03-17-2013 02:49 AM

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10k, come at me..

danieltij 03-17-2013 04:20 AM

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Sounds like DA User is willing to pay anything to get some sort of relief. Cant blame him though

johnfreyan 03-17-2013 10:46 AM

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How many of us illegal immigrants know their fellow illegal immigrants who can afford 10k a head? I know I don't.

Anything larger than 3k~4k is approaching the realm of "Well, we don't want to legalize them, but we gotta pass something so..."

freshh. 03-17-2013 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 445971)
Well lets start throwing the numbers then. I think anything over $3,000 per individual would be totally absurd. First of all, DACA beneficiaries should not be fined any more. They should be immediately awarded Green Cards. But the rest of the individuals should expect to pay between a grand and 3 g's as a fine. Furthermore, they should expect to present proof of payment of taxes of EACH year they have been present in the United States. Can't wait until this bill is released.

We came to the conclusion that saving $3,000 to $5,000 would be a safe estimate for my mother. I doubt anything we DREAMers have to pay, if we have to pay any penalties at all, will be as expensive.

As far as the proof of tax filings, that may be rather difficult for some people to present if they were working in cash the entire time they have been here and they didn't have an ITIN/SSN to file taxes. So, I think they may give people the period of interim status to get caught up with the IRS and deal with anything they may owe.

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Originally Posted by Happyman0607 (Post 446000)
Word around the kitchen is it's gonna be released this week, keeping my fingers crossed lol I'm not even in a rush for a GC or anything, I'm just curious to see what's in it lol although I'd love to be a permanent resident tomorrow :D thinking of applying for the Navy

I certainly hope it's released this week. They go on break for Easter at the end of this week (March 25th to April 5th).

DA User 03-17-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pluribus (Post 446014)
C'mon DA User, what kind of optimism is that from you? 10 grand? C'mon.

I can imagine the thoughts of lawyers around the country at the sight of 10 grand. We might as well buy them condos.

You do know that you need half million for the investor Visa right and you have to create jobs? Correct me if I am wrong.

How about this? The higher an undocumented is willing to pay, the faster the path to USC?

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Originally Posted by danieltij (Post 446040)
Sounds like DA User is willing to pay anything to get some sort of relief. Cant blame him though

Thank you.

instantcoffeejoe 03-17-2013 01:02 PM

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Honestly if it ends up being 10 grand I'd still do it, I love this country too much and I don't plan going back to a place that I do not even know anything or anyone.

Obviously, if its lower thats even better :). I really just want a peace in my mind and not have the fear of hiding.

Pluribus 03-17-2013 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 446096)
You do know that you need half million for the investor Visa right and you have to create jobs? Correct me if I am wrong.

How about this? The higher an undocumented is willing to pay, the faster the path to USC?

That whole sentence is so badly written I can't possibly correct it.

So, if I chuck at them $50,000, I can become USC as soon as next month?

Pianoswithoutfaith 03-17-2013 02:58 PM

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We are not investors but high skill workers right DAP User?

dtrt09 03-17-2013 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 446096)
You do know that you need half million for the investor Visa right and you have to create jobs? Correct me if I am wrong.

How about this? The higher an undocumented is willing to pay, the faster the path to USC?



Thank you.

Lol, people who can purchase citizenship don't go down very well with the general American public. Also, it flies in the face of the "integrity" of the immigration system. People who can purchase their citizenship, excuse me, "invest" their way into other societies don't hold any allegiance to those countries. As soon as a better deal opens elsewhere, they'll go there. And once a citizen, you don't have any obligation to reside in your country of citizenship.

Citizenship shouldn't just be a financial transaction.

oeg76876 03-17-2013 04:07 PM

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10k a person? are you guys serious? i probably know like 2 people that would be able to pay that and that's it. the fine wont be extremely high because you don't want 10 million people to stop spending in other things when the country has been struggling with consumer confidence ratings. or should we slow down the economy eve more? remember its 10 or 11 million people not just 100 k

Severity 03-17-2013 04:42 PM

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Family plan 10k :lol:

DA User 03-17-2013 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by instantcoffeejoe (Post 446101)
Honestly if it ends up being 10 grand I'd still do it, I love this country too much and I don't plan going back to a place that I do not even know anything or anyone.

Obviously, if its lower thats even better :). I really just want a peace in my mind and not have the fear of hiding.

Great post,
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Originally Posted by Pluribus (Post 446111)
That whole sentence is so badly written I can't possibly correct it.

So, if I chuck at them $50,000, I can become USC as soon as next month?

It is $500,000. Look up Investor Visa. I think you also have to create jobs?

Pianoswithoutfaith 03-17-2013 05:21 PM

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I think its you must hire 10 persons or 100

I am not sure

TexasDreamy 03-17-2013 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 446150)
Great post,


It is $500,000. Look up Investor Visa. I think you also have to create jobs?

It's $500,000 that you have to invest in creating a business in the US.

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Targeted Employment Area (High Unemployment or Rural Area). The minimum qualifying investment either within a high-unemployment area or rural area in the United States is $500,000.
That means that's money you get back -- and if you are smart it is money you can make back many many times if you make a wise investment in a business.

The application fee for an I-526 is $1,500.

DA User 03-18-2013 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TexasDreamy (Post 446188)
It's $500,000 that you have to invest in creating a business in the US.



That means that's money you get back -- and if you are smart it is money you can make back many many times if you make a wise investment in a business.

The application fee for an I-526 is $1,500.

Right. What happens if you go bankrupt after obtaining the Visa?

Saeko 03-18-2013 03:24 AM

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IamAman 03-18-2013 05:10 PM

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I don't think it's as high as $10k because the Hispanic lobbies would point out that it would cause many people to remain illegal but I have $10k ready in my warchest plus lawyer fees. I'd imagine for Dreamers they won't have to pay nearly that much, but then, old dreamers will get screwed again.

I think a lot of people will be doubletaxed though because they probably use someone else's SSN and won't admit it in fear of getting the other person in trouble.

Juan92 03-18-2013 06:58 PM

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i say 5000 tops for everything, fines, taxes, etc....

DA User 03-19-2013 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 446731)
I don't think it's as high as $10k because the Hispanic lobbies would point out that it would cause many people to remain illegal but I have $10k ready in my warchest plus lawyer fees. I'd imagine for Dreamers they won't have to pay nearly that much, but then, old dreamers will get screwed again.

I think a lot of people will be doubletaxed though because they probably use someone else's SSN and won't admit it in fear of getting the other person in trouble.

I don't think it will even be close to $5K.

Hope they add Retro with no age limit but I would still be happy as long as CIR passes.


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