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alexandernigth 07-16-2013 11:19 PM

New details about tps plan
 
The Plan B of the migratory reform exists and is included in the list of possible scenes inside the negotiations that are carried out in Washington DC. On Monday Univision.com it brought that the conversations in the Congress stagnated when the republican leadership adopted two rules: they will debate a project different from the pass for the Senate and will not send to the plenary session any plan that does not have the support of the majority of the majority. According to the rule announced by the president of the Congress, John Boehner (Ohio), they integrate the majority of the majority a minimum of 118 republican legislators and in the day of today " there are no sufficient votes ", said to Univision.com the legislator Joe García (democrat of Florida). With this information in account, they put new possible scenes out. The first one that those who support the reform. The first one that those who support the migratory integral reform yield and allow that the citizenship should be only for some undocumented; the second one that suelten the citizenship and they tie the residence to legalize the majority of the undocumented ones. The White House, the leader of the Senate (Hary Reid, democrat of Nevada) and the legislator Luis Gutiérrez (D-Illinois) insist on the Plan To, the offer of the Senate, and do not mention publicly other alternatives because in thAis debate anybody dares to assume defeats before time. But he warned that the condition imposed by Boehner, " that one of the majority of the majority " remains in foot and it allows to anticipate that " it is far from a result " in short time. It indicated that for many republicans the reform can wait still a time, " until December. The first one that those who support the migratory integral reform yield and allow that the citizenship should be only for some undocumented; the second one that suelten the citizenship and they tie the residence to legalize the majority of the undocumented ones. The White House, the leader of the Senate (Hary Reid, democrat of Nevada) and the legislator Luis Gutiérrez (D-Illinois) insist on the Plan To, the offer of the Senate, and do not mention publicly other alternatives because in this debate anybody dares to assume defeats before time. But he warned that the condition imposed by Boehner, " that one of the majority of the majority " remains in foot and it allows to anticipate that " it is far from a result " in short time. It indicated that for many republicans the reform can wait still a time, " until December (of this year) or February or March " (of 2014) (…) " after the primary ones ", but that for others the time becomes exhausted and it is necessary to take decisions to repair now a migratory system that is "torn". Sharry, nevertheless, said that still " there is hope " of that those who do not purify the step " are going to do something " before the autumn. There is another idea that is going out, and is the idea of citizenship for some but not for all ", added Sharry. " For example dreamers or agricultural workers or those who have had TPS for more than 10 years ". The executive director of America's Voice mentioned besides the fact that a measure could be the temporary cancellation of the Law of the Punishment in order that legal permanent residents could ask immediate relatives (spouses and children single minors), a similar measure to authorized in 2012 by the Administration Obama and that it came into force in March of this year. The law of the punishment sanctions with three years out of the country to undocumented that they remain more 180 days without permission of legal demurrage in The United States and 10 years if the not authorized permanency happens of one year. The punishment is fulfilled from when they go out to his native lands in search of the card of residence or green card. Sharry assured that " we are going to do efforts looking for the majority of the majority since the republicans want " and that the negotiations continue. " It depends on the republicans that it comes near to a majority for an offer " of migratory reform. Of achieving it, the Chamber might vote for a migratory reform in the autumn in order that a Committee of Conference harmonizes both versions and, as said Pacheco, "to "press" in order that the final version recovers the plan of the Senate. Sharry said that about this " they are not going to speak ", and that of not obtaining it, then the Plan B will come up to the President Obama in order that by means of an executive action it approves TPS's species that legalizes temporarily the majority of the undocumented ones. Ultimately probably there is no a way towards the citizenship for 11 millions of undocumented, maybe only for 3, 4 or 5 millions. Nobody knows it. " The negotiations continue ", assured Sharry.


SOURCE http://noticias.univision.com/inmigr...#axzz2ZAAi8aBE

star293 07-16-2013 11:27 PM

Re: New details about tps plan
 
wut about dreamers?

Happyman0607 07-17-2013 12:06 AM

Re: New details about tps plan
 
Tl;dr

Dres2011 07-17-2013 12:59 AM

Re: New details about tps plan
 
Basically an executive order from Obama granting TPS? whut? estimates it could benefit between 3 to 5 million people.......


Sounds like Obama is trying to an hero in this bitch.

desice 07-17-2013 12:59 AM

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i stopped reading... seriously, google translate?

Severity 07-17-2013 12:59 AM

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I did not like that writing style at all.

Malign0n 07-17-2013 01:06 AM

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I couldn't follow, this format is difficult to read.

star293 07-17-2013 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Malign0n (Post 498683)
I couldn't follow, this format is difficult to read.

yeah i didn't quite understand what the article was talking about..

he probably used google translate lol.

Sgt.Peppers 07-17-2013 01:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Severity (Post 498681)
I did not like that writing style at all.

Your comment made me LOL hard.

dado123 07-17-2013 01:52 AM

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Maybe I am burned out for today, but I did not get too far on this article.

Malign0n 07-17-2013 02:02 AM

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Ranging from a pathway to Citizenship for a few undocumented folks [DREAMers/Agricultural Workers] to extending a large scale temporary "residency" status like TPS

A Plan B of Immigration Reform exists and includes a list of possible scenarios that may be included in the negotiations currently ongoing in D.C.

Monday, Univision.com reported that the talks of reform were stalled in Congress when Republican leadership adopted two rules; discuss a legislative outcome distinct of the Senate Bill that is also supported by the Majority of the Majority (Hastert Rule).

"Under the ruling of the Speaker, John Boehner (R. Ohio), any proposal would require at least 118 Republican legislators and today there aren't currently sufficient votes" said Congressman Joe Garcia (D. FL)

With these facts in mind, there are other possible scenarios. The first, the Supporters of Comprehensive Immigration Reform cede and allow citizenship for only a fraction of the millions of the undocumented; while removing such a pathway and only legalizing the remainder.

The White House, Majority Leader (Harry Reid, D. NV) and Congressman Luis Gutierrez (D. IL) insist on Plan A, the Senate Proposal (legislation with a Pathway to Citizenship), is the only route to take. While keeping mum about alternatives in public not daring to take any less.

Not anticipating victories, Garcia said "that only between 60 and 70 House Republicans "support" a Comprehensive Immigration Reform comparable to the Senate Plan" but he also assures that the Senate Plan is Not Dead. Whoever stumbles on this opportunity loses and the 'Majority of the Majority" would never cede to give Democrats the political victory.

Uncertain Future

"Right now, We are hopeful and are looking forward to the Group of Seven's proposal" says Gaby Pacheco, activist fighting for DREAMers in the US.

Covered by deferred action, a program started by the Obama administration that stops the deportation of undocumented youth who entered the country as children (dreamers) and granted a temporary work permit, Pacheco said that immigration reform could be "divided and voted for in parts " in the House Judiciary Committee," but when the time comes, will join together. "

"The other plan is what we are seeing right now," she added. That immigration reform faces a barrage of amendments in the House and then is finally approved. And then at the Conference Committee, it harmonizes with the Senate version, which includes citizenship, comes from the House of Representatives.

"Could be a tactic", says Pacheco

The activist also mentioned the possibility of a Plan B without residency or without citizenship, as many in Congress are thinking about the mid-term elections of 2014 and 2016 presidential elections, a topic that keep strategists awake in both parties.

A Climate of Nerves

The immigration reform scenarios are complex and are still being drawn in Washington DC

Frank Sharry, executive director of America's Voice, argues that the legislative route is valid and must be exhausted.

But he warned that the conditions imposed by Boehner, "that of the majority of the majority" and he remains standing to anticipate that "is far from an outcome" in a short time.

He indicated that for many Republicans that reform can wait some time, "Until December (of this year) or February or March (of next year). "...after the primaries". But for others the time is running out and there must be decisions made now to fix a broken immigration system.

Sharry, however, said he still "optimistic" of those who do not rush the passage "will do something" before autumn.

Range of options

"There are various options" with the House of Representatives, said. "They (the Republicans) approve of some measures to come to an agreement and to say they did something and share the
"blame" with the Democrats.

"Others don't want to really do anything, nothing." and leave things as they are, Sharry said. But there is a sector that "wants to do something" but cannot under the rule imposed by Boehner.

The group cited by Sharry Garcia is composed of 60 or 70 Republicans that if they join the 95 percent of Democrats who supported the Senate immigration reform, totaling more than the 218 votes needed for the bill to become law. But first he says it must pass the Boehner condition: 118 Republican votes to reach the full reform.

"The only way to do something is with bipartisanship" said Sharry. "And for this they are looking for that majority of the majority or near majority could support something. We are exploring, perhaps in September, perhaps more inclined to reform right than it passed the Senate, but something, "he said.

One such inclinations, following those of America's Voice, could be a plan that does not include residence or citizenship, as we anticipated last week says Republican analyst Helen Aguirre Ferre, immediately the statements were disallowed by Group of Seven of the House who writes a secret plan.

Limited Reform

"There is another idea that is coming, and is the idea of ​​citizenship for some but not for all," Sharry said. "For example dreamers or agricultural workers or who have had TPS for over 10 years."

The Executive Director of America's Voice also mentioned that a measure could be the temporary override of the Law of Punishment for legal permanent residents to petition immediate family members (spouses and minor children unmarried), a measure similar to that authorized in 2012 by Obama Administration and entered into force in March this year.

The punishment law punishable by three years out of the country to remain undocumented plus 180 days without legal stay permit in the United States and 10 years if the unauthorized stay a year passes. The punishment is met from when they go to their countries of origin in search of a green card or green card.

Sharry said that "we will make efforts seeking the most as most Republicans want" and that negotiations continue. "It's up to the Republicans to reach a majority for a proposal" immigration reform.

To achieve this, the House could vote on immigration reform in the fall for a conference committee to harmonize the two versions and, Pacheco said, "pressure" to recover the final version of the Senate plan.

Sharry said that "if they cannot compromise", and that if it fails, then a Plan B could be reached if President Obama uses executive action to adopt a kind of TPS that temporarily legalizes most illegal immigrants.

In the end there may not be a path to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented, perhaps only for 3, 4 or 5 million. Nobody knows. "Negotiations are ongoing," said Sharry.

Here is a correct translation of this story.

g33k 07-17-2013 02:11 AM

Re: New details about tps plan
 
Bible style...you fall asleep after 3 sentence.

Malign0n 07-17-2013 02:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by g33k (Post 498703)
Bible style...you fall asleep after 3 sentence.

Its the same format as that of the article. At least its better than the google translate version.

g33k 07-17-2013 02:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Malign0n (Post 498705)
Its the same format as that of the article. At least its better than the google translate version.

Was referring to the OP's version lol

Tonyhasadream 07-17-2013 02:30 AM

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They should do something about people who have been married to citizens for a while.

DA User 07-17-2013 02:36 AM

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I think legal status, work and drive should be good enough for now.

zone2oo0 07-17-2013 05:46 AM

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i saw Univision, stopped reading.

NK74 07-17-2013 06:39 AM

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If they temporarily lift bar from reentry and I can wipe my slate clean, I d be ecstatic.

butterflynans 07-17-2013 09:14 AM

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Who is a majority of the majority, who is the majority?

butterflynans 07-17-2013 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Malign0n (Post 498705)
Its the same format as that of the article. At least its better than the google translate version.

Thou shall not thinketh your neighbor was saying your version was bibleth style sir. He was referring to the originale.

freshh. 07-17-2013 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by butterflynans (Post 498759)
Who is a majority of the majority, who is the majority?

In the House, the majority of seats are held by Republicans. In the Senate, the Democrats hold the majority of seats.

dtrt09 07-17-2013 11:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zone2oo0 (Post 498730)
i saw Univision, stopped reading.

Hahahahahaha. Univision publishes so much spin and opinion as "news", it is incredibly offensive. Whenever I happen upon the channel, I want to say "don't insult my intelligence", lol.

johnnytest08 07-17-2013 02:35 PM

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Couldn't those 60 - 70 house republicans sign up with the democrats and sign the discharge petition to force a vote despite Bonehead's 118 majority rule?

g33k 07-17-2013 02:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnytest08 (Post 498822)
Couldn't those 60 - 70 house republicans sign up with the democrats and sign the discharge petition to force a vote despite Bonehead's 118 majority rule?

The Boner is stupid.

Malign0n 07-17-2013 10:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnytest08 (Post 498822)
Couldn't those 60 - 70 house republicans sign up with the democrats and sign the discharge petition to force a vote despite Bonehead's 118 majority rule?

political suicide to go against your party. They would be "primary'ed" out of office.


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