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Malign0n 09-17-2013 06:40 PM

Obama: Suspending more deportations not an option
 
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama says he won't take further unilateral action to stop deportations for some immigrants living in the U.S. illegally.

The Obama administration last year suspended deportations of some immigrants brought here illegally as children. But with immigration legislation stalled in Congress, advocates are pressuring Obama to expand that to cover parents of those children or other immigrant groups.

Obama tells Spanish-language TV network Telemundo "that's not an option." He says broadening the policy would essentially be ignoring the law. And he says he would have a tough time defending it legally.

Obama says the path to fixing immigration laws is through Congress. But he says House Speaker John Boehner's refusal to put a Senate-passed overhaul to a vote is holding it back.

Source: AP/Huffpost Wires

VeryNicePerson1 09-17-2013 06:42 PM

Re: Obama: Suspending more deportations not an option
 
Well then, that seals the deal then...

...although I didn't really see a DACA for all happening...but realistically I thought he would expand DACA to Age 30+...

...was fun while it lasted...:?

Happyman0607 09-17-2013 07:13 PM

Re: Obama: Suspending more deportations not an option
 
Thank god... And yes he's absolutely right, it would be ignoring the law and makes our daca status that much less credible. This would hurt daca recipients if he was to stop further deportations.

freshh. 09-17-2013 07:25 PM

Re: Obama: Suspending more deportations not an option
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Happyman0607 (Post 513033)
Thank god... And yes he's absolutely right, it would be ignoring the law and makes our daca status that much less credible. This would hurt daca recipients if he was to stop further deportations.


How would providing deferred action for people that are drastically affected by CIR make DACA less credible?

This is the same administration that repeatedly said their hands were tied when it came to helping us. That was not true then and isn't true now.

If CIR doesn't pass, then I don't see how expanding deferred action (and halting the deportations) to include certain subgroups of the undocumented doesn't become an option.

Ianus 09-17-2013 07:42 PM

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Lol,I don't buy it.The President was saying the same thing on when not even DACA was possible even though I had posts indicating that executive action could be taken.

I think at the very least those whom are older Dreamers and those who are stateless.

TodoBien 09-17-2013 09:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Malign0n (Post 513022)
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama says he won't take further unilateral action to stop deportations for some immigrants living in the U.S. illegally.

The Obama administration last year suspended deportations of some immigrants brought here illegally as children. But with immigration legislation stalled in Congress, advocates are pressuring Obama to expand that to cover parents of those children or other immigrant groups.

Obama tells Spanish-language TV network Telemundo "that's not an option." He says broadening the policy would essentially be ignoring the law. And he says he would have a tough time defending it legally.

Obama says the path to fixing immigration laws is through Congress. But he says House Speaker John Boehner's refusal to put a Senate-passed overhaul to a vote is holding it back.

Source: AP/Huffpost Wires

whats the link to the source , he said something like this but MONTHS ago

Kristof 09-17-2013 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TodoBien (Post 513048)
whats the link to the source , he said something like this but MONTHS ago

Yeah, source please or at least a date.

Happyman0607 09-18-2013 02:08 AM

Re: Obama: Suspending more deportations not an option
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 513039)
How would providing deferred action for people that are drastically affected by CIR make DACA less credible?

This is the same administration that repeatedly said their hands were tied when it came to helping us. That was not true then and isn't true now.

If CIR doesn't pass, then I don't see how expanding deferred action (and halting the deportations) to include certain subgroups of the undocumented doesn't become an option.

Because daca was established for those who grew up here and came here with no fault of their own. In the future if any sort of amnesty is going to be given it'll be to us. If Obama hands everyone who came here illegally working permit knowing they are breaking the law then he is in fact ignoring the law that you can't come to the United States and be rewarded for it.

You all seem to forget why DACA is even here for us. It's because we had no control over coming here, we grew up here, went to school here and don't even know the country we were born in.. It's meant to let us get on with our lives till they do something.

Lets face it. Immigration reform is a great economic benefit but it has to be voted through congress because this whole country runs on what the people want and you need their represenatives to go into congress and pass on paper what their constituents want. If they want reform, it'll pass. In the meanwhile Obama is a president not a king, he can't just pardon 11 million people and ignore the law because he thinks it's good for the country.

I'm a little baffled at the fact I even have to explain this but there it is.

P.S. I'd love to have everyone pardoned just as much as the next guy, but in my opinion, it would be a terrible idea and I believe it would hurt our daca status if that was to happen.

2Face 09-18-2013 07:50 AM

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I believe the same words came out of the mans mouth prior to DACA. It's definitely possible but I think he's giving a little more time to Rwpublucans to get their shit together.

VeryNicePerson1 09-18-2013 09:35 AM

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I was not even expecting Obama to issue something like "OK, everyone can get papers now...just prove 5 years of residency and your good to go"

I was expecting something more in line with an expansion of stuff already in place.

For example, DACA keeping the same requirements, but increasing the age cap from 30, to 40 or 50.

Or for example, bringing the registry date up a bit...I believe someone mentioned it was at 1974 or something? Maybe move it up to 1990? 1996?

Stuff like this is what I would expect.

IamAman 09-18-2013 10:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Happyman0607 (Post 513033)
Thank god... And yes he's absolutely right, it would be ignoring the law and makes our daca status that much less credible. This would hurt daca recipients if he was to stop further deportations.


Sounds like a case of "I got mine, so screw everybody else"

Happyman0607 09-18-2013 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 513118)
Sounds like a case of "I got mine, so screw everybody else"

Might sound like it but believe me I didn't forget what it was like being undocumented, I wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy, I truly believe if he was to expand it to everyone else, it'd hurt us with daca, don't forget how a couple weeks ago I was saying I'd rather have citizenship for all or nothing. If he expanded it to everyone do you understand what they would do to him in congress? I have no doubt in my mind they'd try to impeach him or vote on a bill immediately removing all current types of executive pardon programs including daca which would result in not only the older people not having a work permit but the younger ones as well, why would I advocate for something that could potentially hurt me? No thank you.

CIR_DREAM2009 09-18-2013 01:16 PM

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Supporting DACA for yourself while denying it for the rest of the Dreamers is the height of hypocrisy. You should be ashamed of yourself , happyman. smh

IamAman 09-18-2013 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Happyman0607 (Post 513139)
Might sound like it but believe me I didn't forget what it was like being undocumented, I wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy, I truly believe if he was to expand it to everyone else, it'd hurt us with daca, don't forget how a couple weeks ago I was saying I'd rather have citizenship for all or nothing. If he expanded it to everyone do you understand what they would do to him in congress? I have no doubt in my mind they'd try to impeach him or vote on a bill immediately removing all current types of executive pardon programs including daca which would result in not only the older people not having a work permit but the younger ones as well, why would I advocate for something that could potentially hurt me? No thank you.

If DACA was was fair - ie. for all Dreamers, you might have a case because after all, many people take pity on Dreamers' plight, but DACA excluded many deserving people such as myself (if I may be so bold). And let's not forget, DACA was tiptoeing on the legal issue too so legally, there is no difference between you guys and everybody else.

By your logic, politically, he would be better off had he not done DACA at all.

TodoBien 09-18-2013 03:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CIR_DREAM2009 (Post 513144)
Supporting DACA for yourself while denying it for the rest of the Dreamers is the height of hypocrisy. You should be ashamed of yourself , happyman. smh

the real dreamers ,. are our parents , without them risking it all where would we be ? mexico ...

Happyman0607 09-18-2013 05:55 PM

Re: Obama: Suspending more deportations not an option
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 513156)
If DACA was was fair - ie. for all Dreamers, you might have a case because after all, many people take pity on Dreamers' plight, but DACA excluded many deserving people such as myself (if I may be so bold). And let's not forget, DACA was tiptoeing on the legal issue too so legally, there is no difference between you guys and everybody else.

By your logic, politically, he would be better off had he not done DACA at all.

I can agree with that, older dreamers deserve it but I think the rational behind it is, we have to give it to the one who are still young and have many years left to contribute, a 40 year old dreamer is basically at his end of really contributing much (not saying that statement is true or not) but I do believe that's the reason why he had a cut off age.

And politically, no I don't think he'd be better off because if it wasn't for daca, he wouldn't of had so much support from the immigration community because with he, he showed that he didn't forget about us. I'll be honest, if it wasn't for daca I probably wouldn't want him to get re-elected for the pure fact that he said he'd do something about dreamers and didn't. But he did with daca.

chocolatedrop 09-20-2013 10:14 PM

Re: Obama: Suspending more deportations not an option
 
Don't get me wrong DACA has been a life changer for me but Obama didn't do this for us he did it for VOTES pure and simple,cause he needed an ace in the whole to get the minority vote...he was in office for 3-1/2 yrs before he used his ace.There is nothing to be gained by an executive amnesty IJS IMO ..


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