Obama to Decide on Immigration by End of Summer
 

So, yes, the WH is "undecided." However an E.O. is forthcoming. I just think we may need to dim our expectations.

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I'm suspicious of the fact that they are going on record to say that they have NOT received any recommendations for the deportation review/admin.relief from DHS and DOJ. Was the public lied to about this taking place between March-June and being put on hold or was it not done at all? Surely, I am not the only one seeing through this...it's very nerve-racking.

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Of course they are lying. The only thing they are undecided on at this point is timing. The WH knows which groups they will help. And they have known that all along. That's why I honestly think it will be parents of USC children. Guttierez and company have been emphasizing the impact of deportations on family units for the last year.

Waiting until the end of August recess is about helping vulnerable Dems in tough Senate races.

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Parents of USC would great but would leave people like imaman out

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Considering by law it's required to have a 60-day notice...what do you know, right at election time. I often feel desensitized to political shenanigans, but this has been played too many times.

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Boo! He told us that last year.

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The WH is starting to realize the buzz they've started. I think they're just issuing rumors like these to calm the public down. The people that will be included logically will be subject to tough residency and background check rules. Most likely it will included older Dreamers, parents of USCs, and parents of DACA beneficaries.

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I'm touched :)

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let the dreamers become green card holders and let them join the military!

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The original Dream Act (like 14 years ago) was supposed to give dreamers green cards after they finished college or the military. It was a win/win.

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If the White House does something about other groups of undocumented immigrants it will hurt us DACA recipients.

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I don't know what to say to this... Which groups are you talking about specifically? And how would it affect you?

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Think about it. If nothing gets done about immigration reform and in the future we're in that grey area of well... These kids have established lives, they work and pay taxes etc... Brought here at no fault of their own.. It'll be a piece of cake to pass legislation for a GC/citizenship asap.. On the other hand if you hand out work permits to everyone and their mother, it'll be a big issue of well, do we really want 11 million law breakers competing with us for jobs PERMANETLY? and effecting the outcome of elections?

It's much easier for Americans to accept legalizing 500k-1mill Americanized childhood arrivals rather than 11 million competing with them.. Just my 2 cent.. Id love for everyone to be legalized, I just see it hurting us more than helping us..

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Hello
My name is Moby

the reason I write this is to express my deeper frustration on Obama's undocumented alien treatment since 2012.

I came here in U.S. as H4 when I was 18. I've disqualified DACA despite the age couldn't even helped to determines a path to my independence - I couldn't get work permit, buy liquors & tobacco, and drivers license, so on so. as soon as my age turned to 19, my visa got expired. unlike my sister who came in with her age 9 so she could have DACA in 2012.

now, my age is 31 and literally I can't do anything but stuck in home whole day. imagine. every single day is doomsday, and i can't find any proper reason to live as a human being. I wasted my 20 ages with earned nothing, and no romance neither. nobody even wants to marry me. but I was just stick with it because of Obama's initial promise - comprehensive immigration reform.

But now, forget it. Obama throw my last only hope for saving dear selected group of peoples - Dreamers and their parents only.

I've never been missed paying taxes every month and year, but Obama didn't even considered about such case.

well..I'm in complication or AKA. "so fucked."

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I still remember in the past, when I had expressed my disagreement on DACA year around 2010 to 2012 because I knew it'll be end up with the result like today where we are. "If DACA has passed, Democrats won't be aggressive on Comprehensive immigration reform and of course, the Republican will always be denied for related issue. So, It's better to stick all together as comprehensively than for a few."

but then one of dreamers here replied me like, "no, it's not. once DACA passes, next move will be much easier. who knows if you may qualified? so, help us and lets do it!"
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and then their word goes totally opposite and evenworse, betrayed me and rest of 5 millions of undocumented fellows through what United We Dream claims, which they wants to save DACA parents Only! HA!

I knew It'd supposedly happened since a couple of years ago. They are so self fish and good in lying.

though the thing would've changed for everyone as last resort but "United We Dream" screwed it up in the end.

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Wtf just happened?

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Forgive me, but how long have you lived here? More to the point, are you a full-time employee and for how long have you been? How many years have you been a taxpayer; therefore, a contributor?

DACA only required five years of residence in the U.S. and being a "youth" - 30 year-olds are young, but they aren't kids by any stretch of the imagination.

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I've been here since I was 3 and yes I am a full time employee and hold a very good job. I can guarantee I contribute more than 95% of everyone here in taxes.

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I asked you how long have you been working and paying taxes.

The very good job you hold, I assume you do because of DACA. Good for you. How do you contribute more than the 95% "here" ? Because I can guarantee you that you have not paid more than I have.

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Ahahaha Please, do give me a breakdown of your 35K/year job and tell me how you have managed to pay more than me in taxes.

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Wait what's going on here

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?!?!

Lol; it's not 35k.

Aaaand that's not the point...DACA is conditioned on arrival before age 16, being 31 and under, and completion of high school. Beneficiaries are NOT required to work. If you think your employment entitles you to legal status, well, I have news for you.

How long have you been a taxpayer?

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Can I get a tldr

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Cliffs:

Freshh started a thread about how Obama will eventually do an EO sometime this year.

dtrt09 calls this political shenanigans

People made comments on how Obama should expand DACA to other people without USC relatives.

IamAman was touched.


moby says hi and introduced himself.

Sorrybrah says "wtf just happened?"

ManIamHappy stated that he pays more taxes than 95% of poverty dreamers.

Dtrt09 asked to elaborate

ManIamHappy stated that Dtrt09 only makes 35k a year


Dtrt09 objected.

- To be continued.

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95% of proverty dreamers means what ?

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@Sorrybrah wins my vote for favorite post in this thread :))

Who would have thought we have 1%enters among our midst of poverty-Dreamer moochers? Ha!

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I never said employment entitles you to anything. You're the one who brought up that you paid more in taxes than I did. Which I'd be willing to bet my life you don't pay nearly as much as I do in taxes.

Back to my original point which was if the White House does something about work permits for everyone, it is my believe that it would hurt DACA recipients. End of story. I don't care about your 35k/year job and I don't care how much longer you think you paid taxes than I did.

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1) You didn't answer how long you've been a taxpayer.

2) Your beliefs aren't facts. Evidence is. One cannot 'think' has paid taxes for longer. Either you have or have not.

3)It's not $35k.

Here's the kicker for you: 4) Under INA, work authorization is NOT tied to legal status. The president can grant work permits to whomever he wants. 8 USC 1324a(h)(3)

Deferred action it not legal status, as you should know by now. I doubt that the president will give everyone eligibility for work authorization, but he will give it to some, and it's only needed for those "others" to possibly create a backlash against DACA. Too bad. There needs to be done what needs to be done.

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How long I've been paying taxes is none of your business.

I said I believe. I never said it was fact.

I never argued of what he can and can't do, please take some English comprehensive courses so you can understand what it is I'm saying before replying to my posts.

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Well what are you saying?

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Just when I was scrolling up to fill myself in on the drama, thx brah. And this ManIamHappy guy seems like he's talking out of his rear. How does he think those Dreamers like himself came in here in the first place? And secondly his argument is very similar to that of conservatives, "They will take all our jobs!" What about the contributions they'll make in improving this economy, generating revenues by spending more since they'll have a proper jobs, creating new tax revenue streams etc etc? When you start making arguments, you need to look at shit from all angles instead of possessing a skewed position. I'm praying to God Obama's upcoming executive measures provide work permits for EVERYONE undocumented here for over 5-7 years and have clear backgrounds. Plus what is an illegal himself arguing about other illegals taking "his" job. Disgusting.

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Can't tell if you're a troll or can't read what I just said

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For the most part, those individuals that want to deport us could care less if you were brought here at no fault of your own. If they did have that type of compassion, or tolerance that you speak of, then the dream act would have already passed. So, those people that don't want immigration reform are not going to change their minds whether the president issues an EO or not.

Now regarding the job competition, please... I hope you don't believe that. The majority of undocumented immigrants only compete with about 10% of the labor force and it is for the lowest paying jobs. If anything, DACA beneficiaries are the ones that truly compete for good jobs. But even then, there is such a shortage of high skill in this country that DACA beneficiaries should be welcomed. Truth be told, the same thing is true of the rest of the undocumented population, we are a complement to the US's economy (the US has a shortage of the type of unskilled labor provided by undocumented immigrants). Not to mention that we are already part of the economy and the economy is practically in full employment at the moment. So yea... the economy likes us and needs us. I can talk more about the "need" part if you want, but it has a lot to do with the demographic shift of the nation.

I think the best way forward is to stick together and defend each other. I'm glad DACA beneficiaries are able to work now, even if I didn't benefit from it. I hope they will also continue to show support for people in my situation. Anyways, together we are stronger.

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Agree & thx!

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Responding to your first point; I am well aware of the ignorant hicks, you can legalize 10,000 or 10 million they wouldn't be happy. What I'm saying is, if everyone had a permit comes the time to decide what happens, if you have 500K people getting legalized it could be something that they would do with the public not really even paying attention to it. When you have 10+ million, it'll be a bigger deal than 500k and it would make headlines/cause major backlash for the parties.


To your second point: My friend, you're preaching to the choir. We are excellent for the economy and we're really not taking john doe's precious job.. It's just one of their shitty arguments.

Would I like to see everyone legalized? Fuck yea I would.. Everyone should have a good life and a fair shot and living how they want to... Do I think it would hurt daca beneficiaries if everyone had a work permit? ABSOLUTELY!! You can agree or disagree it doesn't matter. That is my belief on it. I don't understand why the previous user took what I said and twisted it around to something it wasn't. We all have common a interest here.