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Props to these dreamers. But that said, I just don't see the point of wasting time after idiots like this. His views will never change just like our views will not change. He and others live in a completely twisted world. It's like arguing with a brick wall, both for him and us.

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Heated? Good one.

Still, considering how convinced he is with his own bullshit he's probably at home getting a bleach enema thinking he got ebola, lol.

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This is the type of stuff that people need not to do.There is no need to confront a congressman like this..IMO

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Why not? This guys going to be running for president, this will expose his view on immigration

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Rand Paul ran out of there lol

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The dreamer girl is smashable/10 just saying. That back tattoo is hngggg

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the whole point of the dream act and existence of dreamers is becausee we were brought here by somebody else. it was not our decision to come here. we were too young to make that desicion. so we didnt break the law.why should we get penalized for someone else's mistake. we have no other counryt to go back to. this is our country. why doesnt this cantaloupe phucker get this through his thick KKK hood.

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Because it does nothing good and doesn't put is in a good light. IT is as simple as that.... He had normal answers and she was just repeating some bullshit over and over. In my opinion she embarrassed half of dreamers by just the way she acted.

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Dreamers don't seem to understand our compassion for kids does not extend to adults who willfully flout our laws. I don't fault you for living in my country illegally. You had no choice. However, rather than showing even a modicum of appreciation for the opportunities afforded by DACA, you are now arrogantly DEMANDING your parents receive the same.

You may not realize, the more demands you make, the more support you'll lose. Citizens are becoming annoyed by your sense of entitlement. We are a very generous nation; and most feel compassion for innocent children. However, despite the fact that it was not your decision to violate our laws, this country "owes" you nothing. We certainly don't owe your parents legalization. Nor should people be rewarded simply because they gave birth while living here illegally.

Moreover, millions are waiting to enter this country through legal channels. Millions more, such as my husband, played by the rules, jumped through numerous hoops, and waited for approval to gain legal entry. It is a huge slap in the face of every legal immigrant for millions to be rewarded for violating the law. Can you honestly not empathize with them?

There's a limit to everything, including generosity and compassion. No one enjoys being used. My country is being used to the max. Thousands continue to stream across the southern border with absolute impunity. The U.S. has become a free-for-all, and the laughingstock of the world. We have no idea who is entering illegally. At the very least, this is a national security issue. The majority of illegal border-crossers are adults, not toddlers holding blankies. Yet, the mere mention of securing the border is met with baseless accusations of racism. A country that does not protect its sovereignty will cease to be a country.

Bottom Line: You are digging your own grave. Gratitude and humility are far more appealing than arrogance and a sense of entitlement. Again, despite Obama's promises, the United States of America owes you NOTHING. I am sure a simple "thank you" on occasion would be appreciated by the kind citizens of this country.

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Millions of people are waiting in line entering legally but the majority of them a good 61% will eventually become illegal aliens themselves. Many people here are overstayers. The constitution itself says whoever is born here is entitled for citizen ship. Why shouldn't children of illegal aliens obtained citizenship? What did you do exactly to earn this citizenship anyway? Just because Youre parents were born here?


Many kids if illegal aliens become assimilated with the already established society here. Your ancestor here from somewhere and through that , you assimilated just find. Illegal aliens are contributing to the American society, reports after reports show illegal aliens are paying taxes. Many of them if not the majority just want to work.

With DACers feeling entitled, I do agree with you there. Me myself have argued about that many times here but that's only the result American society has birthen them. You yourself have shown that entitlement with this post. What federal crime have illegal aliens done exactly that is worse than many of the crimes you personally have committed with out retribution?

Imagine if American people took that stance with many of the crimes committed with out knowing.

" people who robbed other peoples Wi-Fi should be sent to jail!! People pirating content is sick and they outta be arrested!!"


You yourself should understand how entitled most Americans feel. So dreamers feeling the same way shouldn't be a surprise to you.

This country was after all founded on immigration and there was a point where this country immigration system wasn't so complicated that millions of people would comehere easily . Imagine if current immigration policies had existed even 200 years ago ? I doubt your parents would be here.


But before you begin to blame illegal aliens you have to understand why they're even coming here as so. you can't just blindly behind the law " they're illegal and that's all. What part of illegal and not legal do you get" is stuff the opposite side uses alot.

You need to understand why policies like NAFTA is screwing the lower countries over and why Americans trust for drugs is causing this war on drugs that has affected thousands of people. Illegal immigration also exist because of the many business here that hire them in the first place. Why not get armed against them?


The argument that illegal aliens are taking jobs away is also silly on the fact that companies like Wal-Mart enter towns, destroy their markets, and outsource millions of jobs overseas. I don't see you complaning about then or the many companies who are getting money back in their tax because they used so many loopsholes.

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There are so many other ways to show his view on immigration. For Americans, this is a slap in the face, she doesn't seem grateful at all. This will cause some to vote against party lines, arrogance is not well tolerated by people who feel as though you have no legal right to begin with, regardless if you were brought here as a child and an EO allowed you the right to even hold that card. He will use that same video to show how ungrateful immigrants can be once they get "papers so to speak"

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Enough, what have you contributed to this country (besides being dropped by your mother in a US hospital) to make you feel as if you are superior than another group of human beings? I am thankful for the opportunity but people like you really need to learn humility. Being a US citizen doesn't entitle you for a lifetime of thanks and appreciation from anybody you come across. Learning how the world revolves will be a good first step. Stop being so close minded. The government doesn't owe us but a little relief would help us and is appreciated.

Your argument is really superficial and doesn't even scratch the surface. You think with emotions rather than facts.

Maybe you should show us how to not be so entitled by being an example.

Holy art tho US citizen 'enough' has appeared let us worship thy master and kneel at his presence.

That's horrible but you get the point.

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Enough its enough of this ignorance. ppl like you always saying that we dont speak english. can you please show me where in my comment i was demanding DACA for my parents. hooked on phonics moron.

secondly, i was never demanding anything. we dreamers are only asking the US gov to recognize us as US citizen because thats who we are except in paper. we have no other counrty to call home besides US. it is all politics. US immigration system not only its broken and its on crack overdose. and these crackhead and bigot politicians refuse to fix it and playing cruel game with the lives of million of people.

As for millions are waiting to come to US legally argument, tell it to the cubans who are granted permanent residency as soon as they start to walk on US soil. we, dreamers are on the other hand are already here. we live life in poverty. we work hard and pay our tax. educate ourselves and unlike most US citizen kids we pay our tuition and not rely on government aid and grants to earn our degrees.

not all undocumented immigrants came from southern border. many, amonst the million are visa over stayer are from different continents. i am not going to teach you the names of other continents that you should have leaned in grade school. and there is huge world outside the american hemisphere just so you know. maybe you should go back to school and learn that. oh wait... cross that going back to school thing then you going to blame me for your alcohol and pot addiction.

BOTTOM LINE: i am more US citizen then you are. i have worked hard,paid taxes, live in poverty, educated myself and lived the american dream. all we dreamers want that US government to acknowledge us as citizen of this great nation. Unlike you my mom didnt get drunk and opened her legs and i fell out on american soil. i Have earned my citizenship and not asking for an hand out.

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You have made quite a few assumptions. First and foremost, I have no criminal record. I have never committed a federal offense, or a crime under any jurisdiction. Why would you assume I am a criminal? However, if I were, it would be irrelevant. Or, are you suggesting we should condone illegal immigration simply because we have citizen scofflaws?

Furthermore, had I committed a federal crime, if caught, I would expect punishment. Actions have consequences. If I committed ID theft, fraud, or tax evasion (all federal offenses), as an adult of sound mind, I realize if caught, I will be arrested and prosecuted. If convicted, I will serve time in a federal penitentiary. It's just that simple.

Millions of U.S. citizens are incarcerated; because, in this country, adults are held accountable for violating the law. Are you suggesting we should exempt illegal aliens? Should they be absolved, while citizens are punished? I'm not sure I am following your train of thought. Perhaps you will expound.

I did not mention Birthright Citizenship, crimes committed by illegal aliens, assimilation, contributions, taxes, jobs, or corporations. They are not germane to the topic of this thread. You replied to my initial post on this forum. You have no knowledge of my stance on those issues. Why would you presume to know my opinion?

The U.S. welcomes more legal immigrants than all other countries combined. We have a very generous policy. Is there room for improvement? Absolutely! But, if it were impossible to enter this country through legal channels, please explain how 40 % of illegal aliens are visa overstays. They were issued visas. However, they chose to ignore the terms. That was their decision. If the terms required leaving after a specified period, and the visa holder chose to stay, that is their fault, not the U.S. government. This country is under no obligation to extend visas or grant foreign nationals permission to stay.

Millions chose to enter without inspection. Again, that was their decision. They knew they entered in violation of U.S. immigration laws. They didn't care. Why should they be rewarded with legalization? How does rewarding lawlessness benefit a country?

Amnesty was granted to 3 million in 1986. Citizens were given the same promises we hear today. Then, as now, we were told with the passage of that law, immigration would be strictly enforced, employers would face steep penalties, and the borders would be secured. Ted Kennedy gave a passionate speech, in which he stated resolutely, that would be the LAST time we would need to address the issue of illegal immigration. U.S. immigration laws aren't broken. They are simply not enforced. Otherwise, we would not have untold millions living here illegally.

Now, rather than 3 million, we have 11+ million. Actually, no one knows the true number. Why should any citizen believe CIR would be enforced, given the abysmal failure of the current law? How many times should citizens fall for this ruse?

As a sovereign nation, we are entitled to dictate the terms of our immigration policies. Some applicants are approved, while others are denied. That is our prerogative. Immigration policies should benefit this country. We have no legal or moral obligation to fulfill the aspirations of foreign nationals. Nor are we here to accommodate the impoverished of the world.

Black Americans did not enter another country illegally to flee from oppressive Jim Crow laws. They didn't feel entitled to demand acceptance, legalization, and a path to citizenship in a foreign land. No, they remained in THEIR country and fought and died for their rights. I fail to understand why illegal aliens cannot do the same in their countries of origin.

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I am not the topic of this thread. Furthermore, my contribution, and that of any other citizen, is irrelevant to the issue of illegal immigration. We have a right to live in this country, both contributors and non-contributors. Likewise, if I visit a foreign country, I cannot expect to receive the same benefits and privileges as citizens; particularly, if I entered without permission. That would be the height of arrogance.

If you are not one of the arrogant, ingrate Dreamers, my comments are not applicable to you. However, you are intellectually dishonest if you deny the existence of arrogant and entitlement-minded Dreamers. Why should people living in a country illegally feel "entitled" to anything? Perhaps you can help me understand this mindset.

I don't need your appreciation. However, when citizens only see Dreamers protesting and demanding rights and privileges reserved for citizens, it certainly doesn't bode well. It sends a negative message. Learn to accept constructive criticism. I am not your enemy.

Whether you like it or not, this is not your country, despite having lived here illegally for years. I am not trying to be cruel. I am merely stating a fact. Public opinion will influence your fate. Why would you choose to portray yourselves in such a negative manner? It defies logic.

I understand you were brought here by your parents. As previously stated, I do not fault you. That was not your decision. However, your parents entered illegally or overstayed visas as adults. They knew they were violating the law. Their motives for doing so are irrelevant. I am sure most embezzlers are also trying to improve their lot in life. We have laws for a reason. When laws are ignored, adult offenders must suffer the consequences. Otherwise, our laws are meaningless.

Your closing statement shows a level of immaturity. I will assume you are quite young. I have no dog in this fight. Hence, my opinion is based on fact, not emotion. My life will not change one iota with the passage or failure of CIR or the Dream Act.

I am not God. Nor do I feel superior to other human beings. In fact, I am a very humble and compassionate person. I am a citizen of this country, and you are not. That's a fact. It is not pompous to state a fact. Yes, illegal immigration is a complex issue. However, according to the law, you are either here legally or illegally. You are here illegally. I realize sometimes the truth is a hard pill to swallow. But, it is what it is.

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You lost me with your "moron" personal attack. I do not debate those incapable of civil discourse. Enjoy our day.

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Personally, while I agree that the way Dreamer protestors are handling this is all kinds of wrong and may create backlash, I always wonder why people talk about illegal immigration as national security issue when I have yet to see an illegal immigrant actually commit some act of terror similar to Hamas, Al Qaeda, and even the individual acts such as the Boston Marathon bombing (and that person had a green card).

Really, terrorism is well-funded and the money runs incredibly deep. You can buy your way into the U.S on a tourist visa, you can enter the U.S on a student visa with a college acceptance letter, you can get a visa for starting a business in the U.S that employs Americans. 9/11 happened and wouldn't have been stopped if the border was secure because the terrorists weren't going to enter via the border. Entering from the border is dangerous. You can get killed, eaten alive, and raped. Ain't no way a terrorist is going to go through all of that just to bomb the U.S when there are other ways.

Also, I understand why people are going to protest so that their parents can also live here. To you, they are criminals. To them, they are the people who loved them and took care of them. However angry I used to get at my mom, she did the best that she could and while she didn't know the implications of her actions (because most people aren't that knowledgeable about immigration in the first place), I wouldn't turn my back on her either.



In regards to visa overstayers, immigration law is onerous and time consuming if one wishes to live or work here. Depending on the visa class and type, there is no practical way to adjust to a green card/permanent residency unless one has a knowledgeable immigration attorney (through their company, paid for by their savings) or they received a green card through a lottery. What typically happens is that an immigration attorney takes on many cases and does not send documents within the USCIS stipulated time frame. Many of the petitions and processes have such a large backlog (years even) that the applicant may have moved, a document may need to be resent, or the immigration firm is no longer operating.

I remember one person who had a green card, had sent in an address request change to USCIS as soon as he landed in NYC (confirmed on a USCIS document), and USCIS still mailed his greencard to the old address so now he has to find the money (but meanwhile can't legally work because he needs to show a green card and USCIS has stopped issuing temporary I-551's) to get a new greencard. He technically still has permanent residency, but for those who are coming in to this country, "following USCIS rules" is not so simple and is not simply due to that person's error.

I know another person who came in on a visa that no longer exists (USCIS stopped issuing the visa in 2003/2004) and there aren't that many attorneys who are knowledgeable about how he could obtain legal status through that type since it's not common.

And this is dealing with people who have knowledgeable attorneys. We haven't begun to think about people who have spent money for attorneys who blatantly lie and take advantage of immigrants who want to do the right thing and become legal.

Since you mentioned petitioning your husband as you are a U.S citizen, that is one of the more simpler/easier petition processes a person can do to become legal. While there are hoops to prove that this is a bonafide marriage, it normally takes around a year from start to finish. In fact, practically all visa overstayers could marry a U.S citizen and adjust their status that way but many choose not to because that's committing fraud. As much as people talk about criminals, this is one thing that would be a no-brainer for any smart criminal to do.

However, most people are seeking proper means of correcting their status, not knowing that falling out of status means that there is no way for them to actually adjust their status. And if you are advised by the wrong attorney after spending $$$$? Good luck.

As to those who enter without inspection, many people are desperate and they come in to the country to help their families. As mentioned by another poster, NAFTA decimated Mexico. The geopolitical nature of immigration is that you can't separate immigration from world issues. This is why we had waves of Jewish, Irish, and Italian immigrants coming into the U.S within the 1900s. Mexico has ALWAYS been a border country of the U.S and only within the last two decades (which coincide with NAFTA) have we seen a dramatic rise in Mexicans crossing the border. Interestingly, though the U.S presents itself as a sovereign nation, its foreign policy over the years reflects less isolationism and more pulling its political weight and influence for its own advancement. Meanwhile, countries deal with the aftermath and the U.S says "it's not us, it's you."

Anyway, after Reagan's amnesty program and NAFTA, you have the Clinton administration passing the 10 year ban which effectively meant that for immigrants who came here illegally or overstay their visa, even if they return back to their home country, they are banned for 10 years from re-entering (legal petition and otherwise). As a result, many people stay rather than take their chances. Personally, I believe that if Clinton hadn't done that, we wouldn't see the estimated 11 million today.

Furthermore, I don't have the numbers, but I believe that if we looked at countries of the 3 million who received amnesty from Reagan, it would include Mexico, but not to the degree that people would expect for a border country (or even reflected by the numbers now). The reality is that the people who are coming in through the border NOW are immediately working and sending money back home. Many countries around the world have remittances as a sizeable amount of their GDP.

Which is why it is curious that people are framing the debate about citizenship when it's really about work. People want a greencard so that they can go home to their families as they wish, but if you have a travel visa and a work card... Most people would take it.

I don't understand why Black American history was brought into this, because as I see it, while you do have refugees from civil wars receiving asylum from many countries, the majority of foreign nationals who are entering are not fleeing a similar set of oppressive laws such as Jim Crow in their home country nor are they a persecuted minority. The ebb and flow mirrors the economy of their home countries.

I've argued on this board before that I do not and will not compare the black civil rights movement or even the gay civil rights movement to the immigration reform movement because there are few and far similarities.

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I appreciate your articulate responses, and I do not agree with the name calling and assumptions that other Dreamers have made about you, just because people don't agree with our views (hey, at least you don't sound like a hillbilly!).

Just speaking for myself here:

I do not feel entitled to anything. I am well aware that the United States is a generous nation. The United States and the citizens do not owe me anything. It's true. I, however, owe the United States a lot and I would like to be given an opportunity to give back, to prove that I love my this country as much as you love it, if not more. I would like to prove myself, and DACA has given me a chance, but of course I'd like to be able to participate in the democratic process, and travel, and lots of other things I can't do right now with DACA only. I am all alone in this country, and perhaps if my parents were here I'd want the same for them, but they're not. They did, however, lived here without documents for many years. Life as an immigrant is not easy. All non-DACA recipients want at least an opportunity to work, to pay their taxes, drive, to live without fear of separation of their families, give back. Perhaps you see it as entitlement, but I don't think it is: it's simply humane (and kind of logical if you see it from a economics perspective). The law is not perfect nor logical nor humane, and I feel sorry for those who have to wait years for their families to be united. So the goverment is the blame a little(!) as well for making it impossible to legally emigrate for some people or fix their status (thanks President Clinton!), and because the goverment agencies that handles these cases (USCIS, DHS, etc) takes foreveeeerrrrrrrr, as in up to 20 years, to process an application. A lot of these undocumented immigrants have petitions pending, it's literally now just a matter of time. I wish I could add more to it, but I would take a whole lot of room, trying to explain myself, and still wouldn't change your opinion. Have a great weekend!

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Thank you for your civility. You are the first person on this forum to reply without animus. You are clearly a mature and intelligent person, and of the caliber most citizens would welcome and support. Sadly, you are being represented by far too many seemingly more interested in self-aggrandizement and arrogant antics than furthering your cause.

I am not here to antagonize. I thought perhaps I could offer a different perspective, and express the feelings shared by many citizens. Reading comments on this forum, it became apparent that many Dreamers have a misconception. It is automatically assumed, opposition equates to racism, xenophobia, nativism, or anti-Hispanic sentiment. Nothing could be further from the truth. Are there racist opponents? Are you hated by some? Absolutely! However, I can attest to the fact, most do not share their position.

While I vehemently oppose CIR, I support legalization for any person who entered this country as a child, and knows no other home, as long as they are not a reprobate and can contribute to this country. We already have enough criminals and parasites. We certainly don't need more. Children follow their parents. Generally, they do not have a choice. However, I believe the entry age should be lowered. I don't consider a 20-year-old who entered this country at 15, someone who "grew up" here. A person who entered as a toddler would know no other country; but, a 15-year-old would.

It is always a national security threat when foreign nationals enter without inspection. Some may have nefarious intent. We simply don't know. While it is true the 9/11 terrorists did not enter through our southern border, foreign nationals from terrorist nations have been apprehended crossing illegally from Mexico. BP has also reported many learn Spanish to portray themselves as Mexican nationals. Our enemies would be foolish not to take advantage of our porous border with Mexico, especially now. While the BP is processing children and families, drug smugglers and other miscreants have unfettered access.

If 57,000 children can traverse the dangerous terrain, surely it is possible for sophisticated terrorists. They have the means to fly close to the Rio Grande, and have transportation waiting on the U.S. side of the border. They don't have to trek across the scorching desert.

I understand why you and other Dreamers want to help your parents. However, the in-your-face arrogance is counterproductive. They aren't "asking" for help. They are "demanding." They are also demanding a seat at the negotiation table, as though they have a right to dictate U.S. laws. I am sure you can understand why such temerity would infuriate citizens. I know for a fact, the group currently protesting at the White House is losing support for your cause. Again, humility will garner far more support than arrogance. It takes gall for people who are not citizens of this country, here legally or illegally, to protest outside the White House demanding anything.

I clearly understand why you will not abandon your mom. I wouldn't either. I don't believe most would. However, your mother made a conscious decision to circumvent the law. It isn't necessary to be well-versed on U.S. immigration policies. She knew she did not have authorization to enter this country.

We can't enforce laws based on familial ties or emotion. There are thousands of citizen mothers serving time in prison for various offenses. I am sure their children would prefer to have them home. Would it be fair to pardon the parents of Dreamers, while U.S. citizens are required to pay for their crimes? I think not.

I oppose CIR because it is amnesty. We tried amnesty in 1986, and are now suffering the consequences. Amnesty only serves to incentivize illegal immigration, because it rewards lawlessness. CIR does not include punitive measures. It pardons illegal aliens for crimes such as ID theft, fraud, and tax evasion. Employers are also given a pass. A U.S. citizen would be prosecuted for such offenses.

You know yourself a SSN is required for employment in this country. Millions of citizens have had their identity stolen by illegal aliens. This wreaks havoc for the victims. Citizens have been denied unemployment benefits because illegal aliens are using their SSN to work. Others have been denied medical coverage. It also ruins good credit. The list goes on. Illegal immigration is not a victimless crime. People are suffering. It takes years to resolve problems associated with ID theft, if ever. Should the perpetrators escape punishment? They will, with the passage of CIR.


I do not doubt there are cases such as your examples. The ineptitude of government agencies is astounding; which is precisely why fraud and waste is rampant. Government programs lack oversight. If we had competent agencies, we would not be in this mess. CIR would be yet another failure.

While some may come with the intention of remaining compliant with the terms of their visa, others enter on visas intending to never leave. I believe we should assist those with bona fide visa issues. But, we should not reward those who came here with the intent to violate the law. A distinction must be made.


I said I am married to a legal immigrant. However, I did not petition him. He was a naturalized citizen prior to our marriage, after being subjected to a lengthy and costly process. Understandably, he is a staunch opponent of CIR. Frankly, I would not marry a person who relied on my status to gain citizenship. I certainly would not marry a person here illegally. I am sure some marriages are based on love. But, there is also fraud. Not to mention, the number of posters on this forum contemplating marriage solely to gain legal status. That's appalling.

I understand their desperation. However, that does not justify violating our laws. If they are not working under the table, they are using a stolen or fake SSN. Even a fake SSN can be a valid number assigned to a citizen or legal immigrant. Again, it is not a victimless crime. Citizens suffer.

I couldn't agree more. NAFTA was a huge mistake. However, there must be consequences for violating the law. Perhaps a 10-year ban is excessive, I'm not sure. I do know it can't be too difficult to return to this country illegally given the number of repeat deportees.

I don't believe there are only 11 million living here illegally. We have been told there were 10-11 million for the past decade. They estimated 800,000 prior to the 1986 amnesty. In reality there were in excess of 3 million. Therefore, I think it is safe to assume we have at least twice, if not three times as many than estimated. There may be 10 million in California alone.

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I had to split my response. When I tried to post, I received a message that it exceeded the length. Sorry.

You are absolutely right. Remittances account for Mexico's #2 source of revenue. Billions are sent each month. That is money leaving this country, which creates another problem. Most of those billions would remain here to boost this economy if millions were not here illegally sending billions home. To compound the problem, millions who send monthly remittances are receiving tax-funded benefits. They use their U.S.-born children or fraud to collect. Therefore, U.S. taxpayers are supporting them while they are boosting Mexico's economy.

I have never believed the goal is citizenship. In fact, only a small percent of those with green cards ever apply for citizenship. Illegal aliens want legal status, period. The U.S. is simply a means to an end. Most are here to simply get what they can. Some will save money and return to their countries of origin to start businesses or build homes. The U.S. is being used.

Mexico's middle-class is growing by leaps and bounds, while the U.S. middle-class is being decimated, in part, due to illegal immigration. If the U.S. could dump millions of impoverished on Canada, we would also prosper, especially if our citizens send billions in remittances to boost our economy. It would be a win-win. We would not have the burden of supporting our impoverished, while we would reap the benefit from their employment in another country.


I used the example of Black Americans during Jim Crow simply to illustrate, with courage and resolve it is possible to improve one's life without fleeing to another country. Mexicans should fight to restore some semblance of law, and replace their corrupt government. As long as they flee to the U.S. nothing will change.

However, I do agree no valid comparison can be made between the plight of Black Americans and illegal aliens. As citizens, Black Americans had a right to protest and demand equality in this country. It is an affront to compare their plight to that of people living here illegally.

Politicians on both sides of the aisle are crooks. Neither party has the best interest of the citizens of this country at heart. They do the bidding for Wall Street, K Street, and well-funded special interest groups. If they don't care about citizens, they certainly don't care about you. We are all mere pawns. They will say and do anything to retain their cushy seats in Congress. They lack integrity. The citizens of this country should clean house.

I wish you the best, and hope you will one day realize your dream.

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Thank you for your kindness. As I explained to "kabs" my issue is not with bona fide Dreamers, who were brought here as children, and know no other home. I do not fault you. I support you. But, I cannot support CIR. Frankly, I don't know anyone who does.

Immigration "reform" should not include amnesty. It should involve streamlining our legal immigration process, granting foreign STEM graduates an opportunity to remain here, and other necessary improvements.

However, people who willfully violated our laws should not be rewarded with legalization. No country can sustain this level of unabated massive illegal immigration. Too much damage has been done. I realize massive illegal immigration has been facilitated by the U.S. government. I also realize many are here simply to work.

While I certainly feel compassion, my loyalty is to this country and the citizens who are seeing their wages depressed, businesses bankrupted, displaced jobs, crime, and destroyed neighborhoods. There are no jobs Americans won't do for a decent wage and benefits.

I also notice, unlike prior immigrants who came here with a desire to become an American, the majority of illegal aliens seem to have no such aspirations. Many refuse to assimilate, and arrogantly expect to be accommodated in Spanish. Again, the government and businesses are complicit. No other group has been so coddled. Other immigrants either learned English, or they could not survive in the country. It was sink or swim. There has never been a press 1 for English and 2 for French, Italian, German, etc.

I believe another amnesty would be the final nail in the coffin. If we reward millions again, in ten years we will have perhaps 40 million more demanding the same. Repeating the same failed policy would be national suicide. Rather than progressing, we would become a replica of the failed third-world countries illegal aliens fled. That is not what I want for my country.

Good luck! Have a great day and a wonderful weekend.

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Correct me if I am wrong. Isn't DREAMACT same thing as CIR? I thought the comprehensive reform focused towards legalizing children.

Likewise, I do agree with you that adults, my mother included, who came to this country illegally should not be eligible for the comprehensive reform. They made the choice of breaking the law, and should be held liable for their action. I know I am being selfish, and our parents have sacrificed much for our sake, but they made a conscious decision, and were well aware of the consequences. My mother said to me once, she will be just happy if I, alone, get legalization, because she knows that I would take care of her rest of her life.

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enough, i don't understand why you don't support CIR. Is the current CIR you oppose or you oppose any CIR? You're right, this immigration system is broken. Something needs to be done. If you're against any CIR, then you're pretty much indirectly admitting that nothing should be fixed. Do you think it's realistic to wound up all the illegal immigrants and deport them out? All 8+ million or so? That's a heavy burden on the taxpayer money and simply, impossible to do.

I came here when I was 7. My family went through the green card process. We went to the green card interview. We got denied. We appealed. Never heard back. Still technically "pending" 10+ years later. Do you know how difficult the immigration process is?

I'm pretty sure I'm not going to change your mind nor will you change mine. If you oppose this CIR, what should it be then? If you oppose any CIR, then you're basically not looking to fix this.

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I kinda want to reply Enough but his post sound the same as the ones we read on Washington post. And you cannot reason with these people at all.

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The problem doesn't lie with CIR,it's the solution that must be addressed in a humane matter amongst our Congressman.There is no way one huge bill will get thru congress...If both parties could stop bickering long enough to come up with a solution to this problem,we won't be here in 10 years. After all this is America one of the most capitalistic countries around where everyone feels that your dreams can come true. I don't agree that for a decent wage and benefits Americans will do those jobs, America has become dependent on cheap labor,A lot of those employers won't even seek an American worker, Why all the push for Tech workers,You honestly think its because there is a shortage of skilled labor in this country...Um I think not,but I do believe that a company would rather pay a foreign worker less than an American worker. African Americans received there rights from a Civil war in the USA nothing was giving to them,and the rest was through protest and laws being changed.

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[quote=Pianoswithoutfaith;537398]I kinda want to reply Enough but his post sound the same as the ones we read on Washington post. And you cannot reason with these people at all.[/QUOTE

It's not about these people,These people are Americans who feel that they are being bombarded by foreigners,they same way they feel about Blacks,Gays and anything else that doesn't conform to this white anglo nation called America,they all forget that there ancestors immigrated here.If the right group gets upset over this Steve King fiasco no body is going to touch immigration no matter who gets unseated in congress!! Its more of Enough's out there that can begin to raise all types of problems for the undocumented. CIR is an issue like no other, how do you begin to send 11million + back home? You can't you come up with a solution that can be carried out and implemented. Enough has a heart when it comes to DREAMERS as do most americans,but the truth of the matter is no other country would even care that much about a DREAMER or undocumented adults they would be shipped back home ASAP ..

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And is what makes the US different from those countries.

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Yes it does " God Bless America"

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No, the DREAM Act is designed for those brought to this country as minors. CIR would include all categories living here illegally.

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I do not support CIR because is it amnesty. Been there, done that. It doesn't work. Einstein defined "insanity" as: "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Another amnesty would be utter insanity.

There is little difference between the law passed in 1986 and the current CIR bill passed by the Senate. The 1986 law hasn't been properly enforced. Why should we believe CIR would? As I previously mentioned, we are offered the same promises today as then. We are being told with the passage of CIR, millions will become contributing members of society, employers will be severely punished for violations, our borders will be secured, and this law will solve our "broken" immigration system. In reality, the system isn't broken. The government simply lacks the will to enforce the law.

As in 1986, CIR will grant legal status to millions. But, none of the other promises will be honored. Millions more will stream across the border to replace the newly-amnestied. Greedy corporations will employ the new illegal aliens, and they will not receive as much as a slap on the wrist. It will be illegal business as usual. Mark my words, if CIR becomes law, it will be a huge magnet for millions more to come. That was exactly what followed the passage of the 1986 law; and the reason it did not solve the problem.

Moreover, why would companies currently reaping huge profits from exploiting cheap, illegal labor choose to comply with the law? They already know there will be no punishment. The illegal workers who are being paid under the table surely will not opt to have taxes withheld and lower their take-home pay. No, they will continue to flout the law. Lawless people will not magically become lawful with the stroke of a pen.

Our government can't competently process tax returns, which is why IRS has paid billions of tax dollars to fraudulent filers. DHS is a colossal failure. They can't even monitor simple tourist visas. Of course, they are promising a quality entry/exit system. I'll believe that when pigs fly. As kabs mentioned, USCIS is inept and can't handle a simple address change. You have also illustrated what an abysmal failure they are. Do you honestly believe such incompetent agencies are capable of handling even more? USCIS already has a huge backlog. This will only exacerbate the problem.

Something definitely must be done to end this travesty. But, rewarding those here illegally is certainly not the answer. We must send a resounding message to the world that we will NOT tolerate illegal immigration. This can only be accomplished by refusing to grant pardons to those currently living here illegally.

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We already have an immigration law. The current law should be "reformed" to improve the legal process, to make it easier for those who play by the rules. We don't need a law to reward violators, which is the primary purpose of CIR. Amnesty has already been proven to be a failure. Why repeat a mistake?

Most citizens today no longer believe in the "American Dream." That has been destroyed by corrupt politicians, greedy employers, and massive illegal immigration. This will be the first time in U.S. history that children cannot expect to surpass their parent's success or wealth. Unlike former generations, more people in their 20's and 30's are being forced to remain home with their parents. It's a sad state of affairs.

No, "America" hasn't become dependent on cheap labor. However, greedy, unscrupulous employers have indeed become addicted to cheap labor. That certainly won't change with the passage of CIR. This is one factor in the huge income disparity in this country. Corporations reap huge profits, which they do not share with consumers. Do you shop for groceries? If so, you should realize food prices have skyrocketed. Where are all of the so-called "savings" for consumers? I haven't noticed any in the past decade. If anything, prices continue to climb.

You're right. There is no shortage of qualified IT professionals or engineers. In fact, an IT company in Pittsburgh was filmed during a workshop, in which they were instructed on how NOT to hire citizens. There is also no shortage of Americans willing to work construction, hospitality, restaurants, or any of the other so-called "jobs Americans won't do." This is their strategy for replacing citizens and legal immigrants with cheap foreign labor, both legal and illegal. I am glad you realize this.

Yes, Black Americans did indeed fight and die for their rights. As citizens, they were entitled to protest and demand change.

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We are indeed being bombarded by illegal foreigners. Most citizens welcome those who come to this country legally. They have generally been an asset. No country's citizens would relish the thought of a foreign incursion of this magnitude. Please don't involve Black Americans and gays in the illegal immigration debate. Citizens of every race, ethnicity, and sexual orientation have a right to be here. Illegal aliens do not. It isn't racist to expect our laws to be enforced.

Yes, most Americans have immigrant ancestors. However, we are not a "nation of immigrants," as most proponents of CIR erroneously proclaim. My parents, grandparents, 6 of my 8 great-grandparents, and all of my 16 great-great-grandparents were born here, or never lived here. Therefore, none were immigrants; and I am definitely not an anomaly.

Citizens are already upset. This incident is but one of many. Two BP agents were recently killed by illegal aliens. One was killed by two Mexican nationals deported numerous times. In addition, the current surge at the border has awakened many to this scourge.

If the majority are coming illegally to work, enforcement of the current laws would make illegal employment very difficult or impossible. The SS card must be replaced with a tamper-proof card using biometrics. Fingerprints cannot be duplicated. Of course, some will continue to enter illegally or overstay visas to give birth to exploit their children. That's another issue that must be addressed.

Yes, I do feel compassion for most Dreamers. But, I feel nothing but disdain for Dreamers who arrogantly make demands. Even people who were staunch supporters are now questioning their stance.

I do have one question: Why didn't Dreamers attempt to adjust status once they reached adulthood? Couldn't you have returned to your countries of origin and applied for a student visa to re-enter this country legally? I have often wondered why Dreamers continued to live here illegally as adults, using fake/stolen SSNs just as their parents. Children are innocent. Adults should be held accountable for their behavior.

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What does amnesty mean to you? CIR opposition use the word amnesty as in it's the end of the world or this horrible thing. Amnesty is forgiveness. What is wrong with a second chance to be a functioning member of this country? What is so wrong in forgiveness? You want to blame illegals for this current state of economy? It's pure scapegoat. Blame Reagan, Clinton, and Bush. Reaganomics. Bush tax cuts. Clinton didn't really do anything and I find him equally overrated as Reagan in terms of their popularity as presidents. Try blaming those 3 presidents instead of scapegoating a very small fraction.

So basically, you don't support CIR, but you don't exactly know what solution there should be. Sounds like a typical Republican propaganda. So you don't believe in granting those a second chance in working here legally, yet it's the same fraction that argues illegals should pay taxes. I never understood that logic. How are they suppose to pay income tax if they can't work legally? FIY, my family's been paying income tax every year since we've been here, through our own-assigned SSNs. It's not rewarding illegals to give them a chance to work legally. It's to provide the country a chance to pay income taxes and make the U.S. a better functioning economy.

So again, you have no plan here. Not give illegals amnesty. So I'm directly asking you. You think the U.S. government should wound up 8+ million illegals, and have an immensely huge taxpayer burden by shipping each one out? And how are you going to ship every single one out? It's not a realistic plan imo and it's a huge waste of taxpayer money. If you don't believe in that, then suggest an actual plan. Just keep letting illegals remain in their current status, while continuing to whine about them?

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I can only speak for myself,I was brought here on a B-2 visa to visit my mom for a summer visit,well she never sent me back home I was 11yrs old at the time. After your date ends and you continue to stay you are subject to the 3 or 10 yr bar. It doesn't matter that I was minor and my mother screwed me, and I didn't know anything was wrong until it came time for me to apply for a drivers license,immigration wasn't in the four front as it is now. I have never ever used anyone's ss# or name..when I turned 18 my life was over before it even got started. Yes I have worked under the table,but believe me what I did Americans were right beside me. I was fortunate to meet a wonderful woman at 23 whom I have been with ever since our 1st date & that was almost 9years ago..Because of DOMA being struck down I was able to adjust my status, 1 year prior to that I just made the cutoff age of 30 for DACA..whew...This is the only country I truly know, I know it's not a black or gay issue..its a people issue...trust some of these Dreamers were pretty upset about the LGBT community being included in CIR,unfortunately DOMA passed and CIR didn't,,KARMA's a bitch so they say!!! I told very few of my status, I cried often and prayed that one day everything would work out.. For real ,Americans need to see what other countries have to offer or lack thereof to see how beautiful America is and all the freedoms that are given. I wonder if the majority of the undocumented were from a caucasian country would we even be here today.

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Amnesty is a deal-breaker. We amnestied 3 million and now have probably an additional 20 million or more. I can only imagine the number we would receive if we passed another. No, it wouldn't be the end of the world. But, it would certainly lead to our ultimate demise. You claim to love this country. If so, you should also want what's best. Enjoy your life here. Your parents made their bed.

No, I don't blame illegal aliens for all of the problems in this country. I have never even implied such. However, illegal immigration is indeed a factor. Illegal aliens are costing U.S. taxpayers billions. It isn't cheap providing each illegal alien child a tax-funded K-12 education, including ESL classes, and free breakfast/lunch programs. That's just the fiscal burden. School standards are steadily declining. Many illegal alien children arrive here illiterate in their native language. It's a daunting task to teach children who don't understand English, yet can't read or write in Spanish. Citizen children are suffering due to this unnecessary intrusion. I shudder to think of the upcoming school year, with tens of thousands of the "new arrivals" enrolling in public schools.

Millions of illegal alien women have given birth in this country. Most have had their pre/postnatal care and delivery paid by U.S. taxpayers. In addition, millions then rely on U.S. taxpayers for assistance in the form of Medicaid, WIC, welfare, subsidized housing, and food stamps. We aren't talking peanuts here. It costs billions of dollars to provide those benefits and services. There are other costs borne by U.S. taxpayers, but these are a few examples.

Every dollar spent on illegal aliens could have helped a citizen, or paid to repair our crumbling infrastructure. We don't have unlimited funds. We are already trillions of dollars in debt. Now, U.S. taxpayers are asked to spend even more on the hordes crossing the southern border daily. We can't support the world. Our own poor citizens are suffering.

I thought I indicated solutions. Perhaps I should have been more specific. We need a tamper-proof national ID card using biometrics to replace the easily duplicated SS card. Only citizens and legal immigrants will be eligible for issuance. Without said ID, employment is denied, period.

We need enforcement of our federal criminal laws relating to ID theft, fraud and tax evasion. Illegal aliens would face the same federal charges as citizens. A conviction would result in deportation after serving their prison sentence. We would actually protect our border preventing their return. We should also deduct the costs for their incarceration from foreign aid to their country. Why should U.S. citizens foot the bill for foreign criminals?

Our border would no longer be a revolving door for illegal aliens. Of course, this will require the militarization of our southern border. We have troops stationed on foreign land protecting their borders. Why on earth are we not protecting our own?

If we fully enforce our current laws, it would be virtually impossible to work in this country illegally. We also must address the shameful abuse of birthright citizenship.

Republican propaganda? Please. I am not a Republican. Nor am I a propagandist. I am, however, well-versed on this issue. Hence, I can discern BS from fact. I don't rely on rhetoric from the left or right. Both have their share of biases. I prefer to deal with reality.

I have never advocated for illegal aliens to pay taxes. That would imply I believe they should be employed in this country, which I do not. Again, if U.S. laws were being enforced, this would not be an issue.

How did your family receive a SSN while living here illegally? I realize DACA recipients were issued numbers, but eligibility for an SSN requires legal status. Otherwise, if illegal aliens could receive an SSN, they wouldn't use their ineligibility as an excuse to steal valid numbers.

As for "forgiveness," please explain what illegal aliens have done to deserve such. I haven't heard even one express contrition. Even God requires a request for forgiveness. Should we also forgive U.S. citizen thieves? After all, stealing IDs is indeed theft. How about tax evasion? Should we release the citizens currently incarcerated for tax evasion? Or, are illegal aliens the only group deserving of a pardon from the IRS? I served on a federal grand jury. So, I know for a fact we indict, prosecute, and convict citizens for tax fraud.

Again, if we enforce ALL laws, it would be impossible for illegal aliens to work in this country. If they can't work, please explain how they will survive. We don't need to deport. How long will illegal aliens remain here if it were impossible to work? Illegal aliens remain in this country simply because they can. Change the climate. Remove the welcome mat. Stop accommodating lawlessness.

Of course, they can always use their U.S.-born children, which is why changes are required. The U.S. should adopt the same citizenship policy as other developed nations. Unless at least one parent is a U.S. citizen U.S.-born children should not be conferred citizenship. They should have the same citizenship status as their parents. Birthright Citizenship is bankrupting this country, and is a HUGE magnet for illegal immigration.

BTW, I didn't realize I am whining. I thought I was responding to this thread from my perspective. There was a time in this country when everyone was entitled to express their thoughts. I may not agree with you, and you may not agree with me. But, an opposing view does not constitute a "whine." I suppose if I supported CIR my "whine" would be welcome. How very tolerant.

As I previously mentioned, I support those who entered this country as children. I can accept them as new citizens of this country, and wish them well. If that isn't good enough, so be it. If I am considered a bad person because I don't also support amnesty for all, that's fine. It makes no difference to me. Either way, I am content with my life.

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I am sorry your mother created such problem in your life. That is not your fault. I wish only the best for your future in this country.

As for the bolded sentence, this is not an issue of race or ethnicity. Hispanics receive the lion's share of attention because they account for the vast majority of those living here illegally. I would feel the same if the majority were black, white, or green.

Come legally, and you are welcome, period. I judge people by their character, not skin color.

But, since you mentioned race, I have often said if the majority of illegal aliens were black Africans or Haitian, we would not have massive illegal immigration. It would NEVER have been tolerated.

Hang in there. Brighter days are ahead.

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I think most will disagree with you on this. It is great that "you" don't judge people by their ethnicity or race but that does not mean that others don't. If the majority of the undocumented population were white the story would be different. I'm not saying that the anti-immigrant centiment is entirely due to racism, but racism is part of it; I'd say some of the main determinants are racism, xenophobia, lack of education about the economics of migration, and being dooped by extremists.

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This is what I mean by lack of economics education regarding the subject matter. Yes, you are right in that educating the children of undocumented immigrants is costly, and that is the biggest cost that the country bares from such population. Other than that, undocumented immigrants use about the same level of government assistance as the average native born. But it makes no sense to stop the analysis there and say "you see, you see, they are going to collapse the economy." I'll just bring up the demographic change for a bit to give you a taste of the benefits of having immigrants here. The US's population of 65 year olds is expected to double by 2050 and there are not enough young Americans to support that population. Country's solve such problems by enticing new immigrants to come into their country. Even after you legalize the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the US, there will still be a shortage of youth. But legalizing us is a step in the right direction because we help relieve one of the biggest problems facing the US economy. If you don't know what I'm talking about, think "keeping the social security solvent."

I'm astonished that people like you bring up all these cost figures but never talk about the net outcome. Another difficulty that nations face is their inability to integrate the incoming immigrant population (look at Sweden). The US has a good deal in that the undocumented immigrants fit like a glove; look at the huge increase in interracial marriages, Latinos joining the military, ect. Rand, the OECD, and leading economists have all talked about this. The conclusion by the majority of experts and think tanks is that immigrants and their children will bring "long-term" benefits to most Americans.

And since you brought up the debt, immigration has been considered one of the fixes for the national debt. Tons of CBO reports have been published on the matter. These findings were also backed up by leading economists and social scientists. I can give you a list if you’d like. Anyways, I’m bored of writing about this so I’ll stop there.