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Ianus 10-22-2014 06:39 PM
Immigration Official: Agency 'Going to Be Ready' for Obama Orders
 
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/exe.../21/id/602249/
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The Obama administration is readying executive orders that would benefit as many as 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States, the new head of the Citizenship and Immigration Services said on Tuesday.

"We're going to be ready," Leon Rodríguez told a session on immigration law and policy at Georgetown University in Washington, NBC News Latino reports. "Our agency will be shouldering the primary responsibility for executing whatever it is."

Rodríguez, who was sworn into the position in July, declined to elaborate further on the administration's plans,NBC News reports. The agency is part of the Department of Homeland Security.

His comments come amid a report that USCIS has published a draft solicitation seeking a contractor to produce 4 million green cards a year for the next five years. The cards would allow immigrants to live and work in the United States.

The contract also would include 9 million in the early stages — and one estimate suggests that as many as 34 million cards will be produced in total.

The plan was developed "in case the president makes the move we think he will," an agency official told the Daily Mail on Monday, even though USCIS' Document Management Division is not yet committing to buying the materials.

Immigration advocates have pressed the Obama administration to grant green cards to hundreds of thousands of illegals as part of President Barack Obama's broad unilateral actions he plans to announce on the issue after next month's elections.

He also could expand the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which Obama created by executive order in 2012, and could grant work permits to as many as 6 million illegals.

Republicans fear that Obama will move boldly with the orders in light of widespread disappointment among Hispanics over his inaction on the issue. The situation has been exasperated by the hundreds of thousands of illegals, primarily minors traveling alone, who have been apprehended at the South Texas border in recent months.

DHS said earlier this month that 479,377 illegals were arrested at the border in the fiscal year that ended on Sept. 30, up from 414,397 last fiscal year. About 53 percent of those taken into custody by Border Patrol officers were caught in South Texas after crossing the Rio Grande River from Mexico.

Obama had planned to announce his orders not long after Labor Day, but did an about-face last month and postponed it until after the election to protect vulnerable Democrats.

"Overall, the feeling is going to be they've been sucker-punched, because the timetable for the end of the summer had been really clear," Angela Kelley, an immigration policy expert at the Center for American Progress, said last month after the postponement.

The group is close to the White House. Obama has since promised to move boldly on immigration by the end of the year.

"If you expect a guy to ask you to marry him, and then he keeps putting off the proposal, you're going to want a two-carat ring instead of a one-carat ring," Kelley said.

Djdieg007 10-22-2014 08:17 PM
Re: Immigration Official: Agency 'Going to Be Ready' for Obama Orders
 
Why are people even throwing green cards in the article if Obama can't do that.

Lateralus 10-22-2014 08:24 PM
Re: Immigration Official: Agency 'Going to Be Ready' for Obama Orders
 
They can barely handle renewing DACA for us. How are they going to process potentially millions of people? I'm going to be happy if my parents can benefit from this but it seems like it's going to be a administrative nightmare. Hey USCIS how about hiring some of us DACA recipients to process these cases? We know what to do and we'll sure as hell won't take forever to process these cases!

DACAuser 10-22-2014 09:53 PM
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so we finally get green card???

2Face 10-22-2014 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Lateralus (Post 543994)
They can barely handle renewing DACA for us. How are they going to process potentially millions of people? I'm going to be happy if my parents can benefit from this but it seems like it's going to be a administrative nightmare. Hey USCIS how about hiring some of us DACA recipients to process these cases? We know what to do and we'll sure as hell won't take forever to process these cases!
LMFAO. Imagine that shit. DACA benefiaries as USCIS adjudicators. Approving cases left and right. :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

And you know shits about to get real when Ianus comes out of nowhere and posts a story like this one. If nothing happens by the start of 2015, then this president can't be trusted. He literally PROMISED and he is on record saying it numerous times that he will take administrative action. And if people are thinking they're getting green cards, they better get their minds checked. There's no green cards. This is going to be DACA but only thing is everyone who's been here for a set number of years will be eligible.

Pianoswithoutfaith 10-23-2014 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DACAuser (Post 543998)
so we finally get green card???
Basically! Ya DAUser!!

IamAman 10-23-2014 01:25 AM
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A lot of people use work permits and green cards interchangeably when talking about it, but they mean DACA style relief here. If they do go through with this, it might take some months for approval, but I sure as hell am not going to bitch about it. You guys are already complaining about something that hasn't happened?

2Face 10-23-2014 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 544009)
A lot of people use work permits and green cards interchangeably when talking about it, but they mean DACA style relief here. If they do go through with this, it might take some months for approval, but I sure as hell am not going to bitch about it. You guys are already complaining about something that hasn't happened?
AMAN brah your patience and vigil will pay off for sure. Surely this time you will be included. The older dreamers laid the foundation for what is called DACA today and should be eligible for it.

Pianoswithoutfaith 10-23-2014 11:58 AM
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Its going to be interesting if such a DACA like action happenes, all those centers are going to be super filled. They estimate that what a good 500,000 number of people would apply for DACA no? Now its some 11 million people... Yup, I can so see cases taking years...

Malign0n 10-23-2014 02:50 PM
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Everyone is forgetting that te administration has some leeway with green cards too. Every year where the number of applicants for green cards doesn't match the limit then they basically give all those applicants their cards and the rest of the available green cards are basically disregarded and forgotten. The administration is looking at "recapturing" unused green cards from previous years and issuing them to people who need them.

Plus, we're not even giving out green cards to investors. By law the department of labor and the United States citizenship and immigration services has to work out a deal in order to issue them. But since this never happens it's basically a free category that never really issues green cards

Djdieg007 10-23-2014 03:00 PM
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They need to extend 245i and Make that GC holders can also petition spouses quicker

2Face 10-23-2014 09:15 PM
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This is long overdue. Hoping for access to EAD's for parents of DACA beneficiaries and older dreamers and all those who've been in this country for over 5 or so years. They are fully deserving of EADs if they can demonstrate clean record, good moral character and show solid proof like DACA beneficiaries did.

jamesp 10-23-2014 10:00 PM
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Does anyone here think that Obama has the unilateral ability to fast forward the date for the registry provision (current date is jam 1, 1971) and perhaps roll back the 3/10 year crap enacted in 1996? That in my mind would be a feasible solution.

Pianoswithoutfaith 10-23-2014 10:21 PM
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No, Obama cannot pass bills, he can sign them or veto them. A change such as that would need to go through congress

IamAman 10-23-2014 10:36 PM
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The only thing he might try to do is let unused green card numbers from previous years to be used today - or something. This stuff confuses the hell out of me still.

Pianoswithoutfaith 10-23-2014 10:37 PM
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If he does that, then this could be something else entirely then

freshh. 10-24-2014 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jamesp (Post 544096)
Does anyone here think that Obama has the unilateral ability to fast forward the date for the registry provision (current date is jam 1, 1971) and perhaps roll back the 3/10 year crap enacted in 1996? That in my mind would be a feasible solution.
We've talked about it before, but we are not really sure if he does. If I can find a memo that was posted a few years ago by one of our members, I will post the link. If I remember, correctly, moving up the registry provision to somewhere in the 1990s was discussed in it.

vivace 10-24-2014 10:36 AM
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So priority dates like parents petitioning for their children can't be moved up through executive action?

jamesp 10-24-2014 10:54 AM
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Yes, I recall the memo. It was one of the recommendations to move the registry date from jan 1, 1971 to jan 1, 1996.

Here's the link to Roxana Bacon's leaked memo from a few years back. Read the second paragraph on page 11. DACA implementation appears in line with that recommendation. What hasn't been implemented yet is the update of the registry date - which it seems that the POTUS can legally do without the help of congress.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politic...ion-reform.pdf

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Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 544155)
We've talked about it before, but we are not really sure if he does. If I can find a memo that was posted a few years ago by one of our members, I will post the link. If I remember, correctly, moving up the registry provision to somewhere in the 1990s was discussed in it.

Demise 10-24-2014 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jamesp (Post 544164)
Yes, I recall the memo. It was one of the recommendations to move the registry date from jan 1, 1971 to jan 1, 1996.

Here's the link to Roxana Bacon's leaked memo from a few years back. Read the second paragraph on page 11. DACA implementation appears in line with that recommendation. What hasn't been implemented yet is the update of the registry date - which it seems that the POTUS can legally do without the help of congress.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politic...ion-reform.pdf
Registry provision section says January 1st, 1972. It can't be changed except via an act of Congress. Of course a bill with 1 sentence amending it would be enough.

There is plenty of wriggle room elsewhere, if the law can be interpreted to be more pervasive. E.g. counting only principals for green card petitions (effectively tripling the number of available green cards). Recapturing unused visa numbers is another, but again these visa numbers can only be given to people with approved petitions in given categories with current priority dates. They cannot be passed onto someone otherwise ineligible.

Also, I think someone mentioned investors earlier. It's an open category not because dol does sweet FA. It's open because it requires 500,000 to 1,000,000 dollar investment. People with that kind of money generally already made it big in their home countries and have little interest in moving to US.

Djdieg007 10-24-2014 01:47 PM
Re: Immigration Official: Agency 'Going to Be Ready' for Obama Orders
 
Can he extens the 245i?

jamesp 10-24-2014 02:21 PM
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245i extension would require congressional approval, i believe. on September 11, 2001, Senate was close to passing an extension. And everything went to hell around 9 AM Eastern Time.

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Originally Posted by Djdieg007 (Post 544181)
Can he extens the 245i?

Demise 10-24-2014 09:25 PM
Re: Immigration Official: Agency 'Going to Be Ready' for Obama Orders
 
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Originally Posted by jamesp (Post 544184)
245i extension would require congressional approval, i believe. on September 11, 2001, Senate was close to passing an extension. And everything went to hell around 9 AM Eastern Time.
Be glad it didn't pass. That extension would extend 245(i) by about 3.5 months (August 15th 2001 if I'm not mistaken), and would require anyone seeking adjustment under 245(i) to do so before the end of FY 2002. So no grandfathering would be possible.

Smooth 10-25-2014 11:33 PM
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Cool.

Smooth 10-25-2014 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 543999)
LMFAO. Imagine that shit. DACA benefiaries as USCIS adjudicators. Approving cases left and right. :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

And you know shits about to get real when Ianus comes out of nowhere and posts a story like this one. If nothing happens by the start of 2015, then this president can't be trusted. He literally PROMISED and he is on record saying it numerous times that he will take administrative action. And if people are thinking they're getting green cards, they better get their minds checked. There's no green cards. This is going to be DACA but only thing is everyone who's been here for a set number of years will be eligible.
Nice to see your posts again, bro.

2Face 10-25-2014 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 544271)
Nice to see your posts again, bro.
HOLY crap. Who do I see here? Dude just fell off the earth. Hope you studyin hard man. And yeah brace yourself for an even bigger DACA type executive implementation for our families 8-)

Smooth 10-25-2014 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 544272)
HOLY crap. Who do I see here? Dude just fell off the earth. Hope you studyin hard man. And yeah brace yourself for an even bigger DACA type executive implementation for our families 8-)
PM me.


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