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freshh. 11-11-2014 03:49 PM
White House says Obama is ‘looking forward’ to executive action on immigration
 
So, the press secretary seems to think that expanding deferred action to include 2 million additional people is bold action. :| There is video available on the source page. Brief mention about the number of potential beneficiaries starts at 3:13.

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It’s time for another showdown in the country’s capital. Republicans won the Senate and full control of Congress in the midterm elections.. The president is reportedly about to counter with executive action on immigration reform, though nobody knows how far he’ll go.

White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest told Fusion’s Jorge Ramos that the White House hasn’t made a final decision, but the president is ready to make good on his promise to act on behalf of the nation’s undocumented immigrants in the absence of a new law before the end of the year.

“The president is disappointed that this legislative solution won’t be achieved, but the president is looking forward to taking executive action on his own, to solve as many of these problems as he can,” Earnest said.

Few things will rile Republicans more than unilateral White House action on such a contentious issue, especially coming off of their midterm gains. Earnest acknowledged the White House’s displeasure with the election results while describing them as a call for more movement in Washington.

“[Voters] want their elected representatives in Washington, D.C. to get some results, and we haven’t seen a lot of results over the last two years in the United States Congress in particular,” Earnest said.

It’s a fine line given the departing Democratic Senate majority, but the White House wants to cast Republicans – who have internal splits on this issue – as the main reason for legislative delays and justify executive action now that they’ve won more power. Leading Republicans caution that such a confrontation would be playing with fire.

“If we get sidetracked with old ideological fights and holding each other accountable for long-held differences, we’re not going to make much progress,” Earnest said when asked about Senator Mitch McConnell’s warning that immigration executive action is “like waving a red flag in front of a bull.”

Republicans could respond with several tactics. The attorney general oversees the legal argument Obama will make for his authority to take action under current immigration law, and Republicans could block the Senate confirmation of Loretta Lynch, who Obama tapped to replace Attorney General Eric Holder. The could also withhold funding, though another shutdown looks unlikely, or even supersede Obama with a new immigration bill, which the president has always said he favors over acting on his own.

The White House is feeling heat from the left on the details of their executive action plan, even though they’re not yet known. Activists and immigrant groups shared a recent New York Times editorial’s fear that the plan won’t go far enough in the face of sure opposition. They argue that if the fight’s inevitable, it might as well be over a strong position.

“So why not be unapologetic, go bold, and really protect millions of our families that are waiting for the president to act,” said Cristina Jimenez, the managing director of the youth immigration activist group United We Dream, in an interview with Jorge Ramos.

A potential plan allowing upwards of 5 million undocumented immigrants to remain in the U.S. could be cut to a couple million or less as the president focuses on smaller slices of the nation’s 11 million undocumented.

“If we’re in a position where we think that changing the lives of two million immigrants in this country is timid, I don’t think that’s most people’s definition of timid,” Earnest said.

Earnest also hoped that looming showdowns wouldn’t distract from seemingly lower-hanging legislative fruit elsewhere.

“We shouldn’t allow those differences to interfere with our ability There is common ground around areas like trade, in areas like investing in quality early childhood education programs. Both sides agree that tax reform is long overdue,” Earnest said.

The battle lines aren’t drawn yet, but the president’s pen is ready. So are his opponents. Real reform may emerge from the fray, but our politics may be left more fractured than ever.
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g33k 11-11-2014 03:59 PM
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Obama has the last word...

VeryNicePerson1 11-11-2014 07:27 PM
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meh...dunno what to say anymore.

Whatever happens...happens.

I just want him to announce the details already.

MIdreamer 11-11-2014 08:42 PM
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Well, 2 million is better than nothing.

IamAman 11-11-2014 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MIdreamer (Post 546100)
Well, 2 million is better than nothing.
It's 2 million better.

Source- I am a math minor.

drvenom 11-11-2014 10:34 PM
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That's a small figure. It makes me a bit nervous. I hope he gets to 5 million.

Malign0n 11-11-2014 11:15 PM
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What does 2 million entail? What sub population in the 11.5 Million equates to 2 million individuals.

drvenom 11-11-2014 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Malign0n (Post 546114)
What does 2 million entail? What sub population in the 11.5 Million equates to 2 million individuals.
I'm not sure. I remember that one of those agencies had estimated that about 4 million undocumented immigrants had minor USC children. I'm thinking those people would be the first in line. Maybe they'll take this group and require them to be here over 10 years. That might get to the 2 million figure? Or maybe people who have been here over 20 years? I don't think anyone really knows at this point, but 2 million is too low of a number.

How much is the press secretary likely to know about the president's intentions? Just wondering if the press secretary is just forecasting like we do here, or if his statement is based on inside information (i.e. Obama or one of his team members told him that's the number they are shooting for.).

g33k 11-11-2014 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by drvenom (Post 546116)
I'm not sure. I remember that one of those agencies had estimated that about 4 million undocumented immigrants had minor USC children. I'm thinking those people would be the first in line. Maybe they'll take this group and require them to be here over 10 years. That might get to the 2 million figure? Or maybe people who have been here over 20 years? I don't think anyone really knows at this point, but 2 million is too low of a number.

How much is the press secretary likely to know about the president's intentions? Just wondering if the press secretary is just forecasting like we do here, or if his statement is based on inside information (i.e. Obama or one of his team members told him that's the number they are shooting for.).
Remember that not everyone who qualifies will submit application.

Malign0n 11-12-2014 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by drvenom (Post 546116)
How much is the press secretary likely to know about the president's intentions? Just wondering if the press secretary is just forecasting like we do here, or if his statement is based on inside information (i.e. Obama or one of his team members told him that's the number they are shooting for.).
You may have a point. It may be that Earnest came up with that number to make the point that whatever they're shooting for, it's not "timid". Hoping that the 2 million number is not the case.

2Face 11-12-2014 12:48 AM
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Well looks like parents of US Citizens should start getting ready for this. 2 million seems like a small number. It is what it is. I have given up on this Congress and whatever Barry does is what happens. All I know if my parents and your parents are excluded, it is unfair and this will be a very sad holiday season. Good luck to all your families.

drvenom 11-12-2014 12:53 AM
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Damn, I didn't make the cut. My wife is barely 3 months pregos. Damn, I took too long. I'm always missing the cutoff. Damn it!!! lol

biscuitneck 11-12-2014 02:18 AM
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Trying to guess is really frustrating. Whatever the number is, if any, how will they determine who gets to go to the front of the line?

Let's say an undocumented couple enters the U.S. and two years later the mom gives birth to a child here on U.S. soil. As the parents of a U.S. citizen who is still an infant, it would make sense that these guys would go to the front of the line over just about everybody else.

Now let's twist it a little bit: what if it's the parents of a U.S. citizen who is now, for instance, 18 years old? Do they deserve to go to the front of the line over an individual who has no children but yet has been here in the country for let's say, 20 years?

I get that one of the biggest things is keeping families together and whatnot. I'm not disputing that, but some kind of well-thought-out plan needs to be put together.

drvenom 11-12-2014 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by biscuitneck (Post 546136)
Trying to guess is really frustrating. Whatever the number is, if any, how will they determine who gets to go to the front of the line?

Let's say an undocumented couple enters the U.S. and two years later the mom gives birth to a child here on U.S. soil. As the parents of a U.S. citizen who is still an infant, it would make sense that these guys would go to the front of the line over just about everybody else.

Now let's twist it a little bit: what if it's the parents of a U.S. citizen who is now, for instance, 18 years old? Do they deserve to go to the front of the line over an individual who has no children but yet has been here in the country for let's say, 20 years?

I get that one of the biggest things is keeping families together and whatnot. I'm not disputing that, but some kind of well-thought-out plan needs to be put together.
What if one of the parents is a US citizen? The combinations are endless lol :)

Pianoswithoutfaith 11-12-2014 02:55 AM
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I cant wait for the details of this if any to come out

g33k 11-12-2014 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 546142)
I cant wait for the details of this if any to come out
10+ years in US should be enough. . .

2Face 11-12-2014 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by g33k (Post 546148)
10+ years in US should be enough. . .
Geek brah I am PRAYING they will go by years of residence in America and I sincerely HOPE they make people pay back taxes and pass strong background checks.

drvenom 11-12-2014 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 546157)
Geek brah I am PRAYING they will go by years of residence in America and I sincerely HOPE they make people pay back taxes and pass strong background checks.
My parents and I have always payed our Taxes so it should be smooth sailing if they do it by years of residence. Muahaha. I hope he goes bold enough to cover at least 5 million people. The two million mark that was mentioned, while it is something, is not enough.

Pianoswithoutfaith 11-12-2014 11:46 AM
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I too am praying they need to pass some English tests

Sorrybrah 11-12-2014 12:17 PM
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Gotta break the bad news again. Lucky anchor baby parents.

biscuitneck 11-12-2014 01:51 PM
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I have nearly 15 years of well documented residency here, and I will gladly pay any back taxes that i owe. In fact, i tried getting an ITIN to do that a few years back and i was unsuccessful. A lot of applicants get denied simply because the IRS may believe you're trying to use the ITIN for other purposes like opening a bank account, getting a driver's license, etc., as opposed to getting one because you want to actually pay taxes. I was trying to get it for both purposes, hoping that it would help me in the future as well.

chocolatedrop 11-12-2014 01:52 PM
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Obama Has a big surprise in store for his EO, no one even knows what it will contain,which to me means he is going to piss off the immigration community. We are now in the second week of Nov, not one leaked memo out lining who will be eligible. I could see the AG workers, some sort of change to the visa law and something with marriage to a USC or LPR. This is just to hush hush and 10 years in the country providing proof .. I bet he throws some sort of fee and or have been paying taxes for x amount of years into the loop. Which would rule my mom out.

freshh. 11-12-2014 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by chocolatedrop (Post 546180)
Obama Has a big surprise in store for his EO, no one even knows what it will contain,which to me means he is going to piss off the immigration community. We are now in the second week of Nov, not one leaked memo out lining who will be eligible. I could see the AG workers, some sort of change to the visa law and something with marriage to a USC or LPR. This is just to hush hush and 10 years in the country providing proof .. I bet he throws some sort of fee and or have been paying taxes for x amount of years into the loop. Which would rule my mom out.
About your mother, I don't think that's an option. The administration is fully aware of the fact that undocumented people work under the table or using SSNs that do not belong to them. If they were going to use "x number of years of tax payment" to disqualify people, that would have been in the Senate bill (as opposed to having the opportunity to pay taxes, which is what is in the Senate bill).

And I agree. I thought at this point, there would be some information leaked to us. Anything! I am hoping the 2 million was just a talking point (since that's a number Jorge Ramos suggested some estimates are) and not an actual figure being considered by the administration. I estimated in a another post that approximately 5 million people could benefit, including the parents of DACA beneficiaries, based on some 2012 numbers of undocumented immigrants.

However, I could see that number still including long term residents (non-DACA DREAMers), parents of USCs, parents of DACA beneficiaries, and spouses of USCs/LPRs who have been here for 10+ years (About 3.1 million). The vast majority of the undocumented population recent immigrated. As of 2012, " 62 percent of undocumented immigrants have been living in the United States for 10 years or longer."

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g33k 11-12-2014 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by chocolatedrop (Post 546180)
Obama Has a big surprise in store for his EO, no one even knows what it will contain,which to me means he is going to piss off the immigration community. We are now in the second week of Nov, not one leaked memo out lining who will be eligible. I could see the AG workers, some sort of change to the visa law and something with marriage to a USC or LPR. This is just to hush hush and 10 years in the country providing proof .. I bet he throws some sort of fee and or have been paying taxes for x amount of years into the loop. Which would rule my mom out.
I don't see anything wrong about paying taxes for x amount of years. Even though we are undocumented, we still have to pay taxes. I would be more than happy if he adds this clause. I pay a lot of taxes. My parents paid over 40k in taxes last year. Its only fair to those that have always payed taxes.

chocolatedrop 11-12-2014 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 546187)
About your mother, I don't think that's an option. The administration is fully aware of the fact that undocumented people work under the table or using SSNs that do not belong to them. If they were going to use "x number of years of tax payment" to disqualify people, that would have been in the Senate bill (as opposed to having the opportunity to pay taxes, which is what is in the Senate bill).

And I agree. I thought at this point, there would be some information leaked to us. Anything! I am hoping the 2 million was just a talking point (since that's a number Jorge Ramos suggested some estimates are) and not an actual figure being considered by the administration. I estimated in a another post that approximately 5 million people could benefit, including the parents of DACA beneficiaries, based on some 2012 numbers of undocumented immigrants.

However, I could see that number still including long term residents (non-DACA DREAMers), parents of USCs, parents of DACA beneficiaries, and spouses of USCs/LPRs who have been here for 10+ years (About 3.1 million). The vast majority of the undocumented population recent immigrated. As of 2012, " 62 percent of undocumented immigrants have been living in the United States for 10 years or longer."

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Wow didn't know that so many of us has been here that long. I like your thinking,but do you think people will want to pay back taxes for something that isn't permanent? What would be the cost of the application, this isn't going to be easy to impliment,USCIS isn't running any faster,with the flood of applicants I bet it will take them 2 years to get 100,000 approved.

chocolatedrop 11-12-2014 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by g33k (Post 546188)
I don't see anything wrong about paying taxes for x amount of years. Even though we are undocumented, we still have to pay taxes. I would be more than happy if he adds this clause. I pay a lot of taxes. My parents paid over 40k in taxes last year. Its only fair to those that have always payed taxes.
I know we should be paying taxes,but I will bet a dollar too a dime,that a lot of us are not. See for the adults that have been working under someone's SSN ,how can they prove its them, Jobs that pay under the table don't want you to pay taxes,thus off the books. This is going to prove difficult for many to show proof...Also they estemated 1.8 million of us last I checked it was in the low to mid 600,000.00 all of which were not approved as of yet. and we are on renewals already. I see this as one big sham USCIS is going to drag there feet on approvals and we all know that nothing can be done once your app is submitted to get them on the ball. Even if Obama goes big I bet less than one million will be approved before he leaves office, And whatever USCIS's criteria uses ,will determine how fast an adult gets approved.

biscuitneck 11-12-2014 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by g33k (Post 546188)
I don't see anything wrong about paying taxes for x amount of years. Even though we are undocumented, we still have to pay taxes. I would be more than happy if he adds this clause. I pay a lot of taxes. My parents paid over 40k in taxes last year. Its only fair to those that have always payed taxes.
When you say "we still have to pay taxes"; are you referring to the deductions that are applied to every paycheck we get, or are you talking about actually filing a tax return?

See, a lot of undocumented people received an ITIN from when they were infants and their parents applied for it listing their children as dependents. Therefore, these people can file taxes that way easily. Some of us didn't get so lucky. I started working in January of 2003, like a lot of people, using a made up SSN and a different last name to somewhat protect my identity; and as much as i would like to pay those taxes, i can't really file them that way. I wonder if some people do or try to. I attempted to obtain an ITIN years ago and failed. I explained on another thread how the IRS sometimes thinks you're trying to obtain an ITIN for other purposes (open a bank account, get a driver's license, etc.) rather than to actually file taxes consistently on an annual basis. My lawyer told me it's not uncommon for the IRS to deny it to applicants, particularly to undocumented adults.

I didn't make all that much back then, but i make a very decent amount of money now and the deductions on my paychecks are brutal, but i'm obviously not complaining at all.

If they add a clause regarding taxes, i hope they at least give applicants the chance to pay back taxes. I will gladly pay whatever i may owe and more. That would be the least of my concerns!


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