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pavpatel 11-20-2014 05:36 PM

Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
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One of the most hoped-for aspects of President Barack Obama’s executive action on immigration – a reprieve from deportation for parents of undocumented immigrants brought here as minors – will not be part of the plan expected to be unveiled this week.

Obama plans to speak Thursday night about executive action on immigration. He is expected to speak about it again on Friday when he travels to Las Vegas to appear at Del Sol High School, whose student body is 63 percent Latino.

Several media outlets, quoting unnamed sources described as having first-hand knowledge about the executive order, indicated that it might include so-called “deferred action” – or a reprieve from deportation – for the parents of undocumented immigrants brought as minors, known as Dreamers, and for people not here legally whose children are U.S. citizens or legal permanent residents.

But on Wednesday, word leaked that the parents of Dreamers, as well as farmworkers, are said to be left out of the executive order.

“It’s devastating,” Cesar Vargas, one of the most vocal leaders in the movement to get undocumented immigrants who came as children a path to citizenship, told Fox News Latino. “It’s our parents, the reason we fight. This shows that the president is not going far enough.”

Vargas’s mother, who is undocumented and has lived in the United States for 26 years, could benefit from the executive order under one possible part that would suspend deportation for parents of U.S. citizens. Vargas’s sister became a naturalized citizen through marriage, he said.

Vargas himself is protected by a 2012 initiative known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, that suspended deportation for undocumented immigrants who came to the United States before they were 16 and meet several other criteria. He wants to see this reprieve extended to a much broader group of people.

Vargas said his mother, who is 70 and is from Mexico, now would be able to travel back home to visit the grave of the father whose funeral she could not attend.

“She’s happy,” he said, adding that his family had hired inept lawyers to try to legalize their status. “We know we won’t be separated” through deportation.

It remains unclear what the final draft of the executive action would include. But some media reports quoting people described as knowledgeable about the plan say it may include tightened border security, and expanded work visas.

The New York Times reported, “White House officials have said that the president remains open to signing a legislative overhaul if Republicans relent, but that his patience has run out. By taking action now, Mr. Obama is daring the Republicans, who will take over control of Congress in January, to try to stand in the way of change that is favored by many in the growing, politically powerful Latino constituency.”

Arturo Carmona, the director of Presente.org, an online Latino organizing group, said his organization is delivering a petition to the White House on Thursday with 100,000 signatures urging the president “to be bold and inclusive, to end the suffering of over 11 million undocumented immigrants.”

“Republicans will not be merciful, whether he takes executive action for one million or 5 million or 11 million,” Carmona said. “So we are urging the president to go all the way, to provide relief to a community that has been loyal to him. It’s the right thing to do for the economy and for the values that our country stands for.”

Obama has maintained that he must act because the House GOP never did even after the Senate passed a sweeping bipartisan bill more than a year ago that included a pathway to citizenship for most of the 11.5 million people in the country illegally.

At least some Republicans pushed for acting now to deprive Obama of that argument, although immigration advocates have little hope of the House arriving at a bill that could pass the Senate and that Obama would sign.

"Right now if he does this and makes all these declarations of the House won't do anything and yada yada yada, what's our response? You're right, we haven't done anything," said Rep. Mike Simpson, R-Idaho. "Our only defense is we are working on it."

Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va.,has explored options including a lawsuit to stop Obama on immigration, aides said. House Republicans already had announced plans to file a lawsuit against Obama over his health care plan.
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/pol...r-reports-say/

VeryNicePerson1 11-20-2014 05:39 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
It is what it is, we all gotta move on as best as we can, as we have always done.

Task_1539 11-20-2014 05:42 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
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Vargas himself is protected by a 2012 initiative known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA,
Wait, what? I thought he didn't have any sort of benefit.

JTLbp 11-20-2014 05:46 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
I haven't heard anything on DACA and military, has anyone heard otherwise?

satnam 11-20-2014 05:47 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
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Originally Posted by JTLbp (Post 547282)
I haven't heard anything on DACA and military, has anyone heard otherwise?

Military lets you become a citizen. The president can't create a path to citizenship.

Unless this is considered a loophole... it should not be happening.

JTLbp 11-20-2014 05:50 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
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Originally Posted by satnam (Post 547283)
Military lets you become a citizen. The president can't create a path to citizenship.

Unless this is considered a loophole... it should not be happening.

I'm assuming that if he could expand MAVNI to include DACA people, there's no reason he couldn't let other DACA people join.

VeryNicePerson1 11-20-2014 05:53 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
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Originally Posted by Task_1539 (Post 547280)
Wait, what? I thought he didn't have any sort of benefit.

The person in the article is Cesar Vargas.

Jose Vargas is the one you're probably thinking of who has not benefited yet from any relief.

Smooth 11-20-2014 05:57 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
Bullshit. Fucking politicization of the issue. Parents of USCs and DREAMERs both fucked up and broke the law. Yet, only parents of USCs get relief? Fuck you.

Cris_32 11-20-2014 06:14 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
I'm hoping for the military path as well...and Yes president can let us enlist in the military

JTLbp 11-20-2014 06:17 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
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Originally Posted by Cris_32 (Post 547295)
I'm hoping for the military path as well...and Yes president can let us enlist in the military

Agreed, he wouldn't technically be granting citizenship, he would just be opening a path to do so. Additionally if he opened MAVNI to DACA people, that should surely be precedent to expand the option of military service to all DACA people.

Unfortunately, I haven't heard any mention of this in details that have been released. I suppose we won't know for sure until the announcement.

Smooth 11-20-2014 06:19 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
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Originally Posted by JTLbp (Post 547297)
Agreed, he wouldn't technically be granting citizenship, he would just be opening a path to do so. Additionally if he opened MAVNI to DACA people, that should surely be precedent to expand the option of military service to all DACA people.

Unfortunately, I haven't heard any mention of this in details that have been released. I suppose we won't know for sure until the announcement.

Looking forward to tonight.

Cris_32 11-20-2014 06:36 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 547298)
Looking forward to tonight.

A lot of us are fingers cross

Shootingstars2014 11-20-2014 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 547298)
Looking forward to tonight.

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Originally Posted by Cris_32 (Post 547302)
A lot of us are fingers cross

Good luck to you and all those others who have been waiting for this for a looooooooong time!!!

txgirl 11-20-2014 06:48 PM

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Im praying for the best. I hope i am proven wrong. I hope everyone gets covered in one way or another. I am praying for a freaking miracle. I am experiencing happiness and sadness all at once.

Smooth 11-20-2014 06:52 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
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Originally Posted by Cris_32 (Post 547302)
A lot of us are fingers cross

Going to wear gold-colored calzones for good luck. Just saying, my homies.

Dreamer0523 11-20-2014 07:35 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 547288)
Bullshit. Fucking politicization of the issue. Parents of USCs and DREAMERs both fucked up and broke the law. Yet, only parents of USCs get relief? Fuck you.


Dreamer0523 11-20-2014 07:44 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
My mom and dad are the beneficiaries of an i-130 since 1999. They were approved in the year 2000 through my dad's sister, which happens to be a citizen. They have been waiting for almost 15 years now to get their green card,. I really do believe Obama should also help people that have been approved through relative petitions. I'm still hoping he will include my parents in the daca.

2Face 11-20-2014 07:46 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
End of the road for those people. Obama is leaving in 2016. He has sealed his legacy. There will never be a CIR in this country. The onus is now on us DACA beneficiaries to earn so much money and use it to help our parents live in comfort. End of the day Obama is done with his immigration game and secured his legacy among immigrants as a "savior" who did an "executive order" and among Republicans as the deporter in chief. Started with a SUPER FUCKING MAJORITY and during the last hour of his presidency issues prosecutorial discretion. Total Fail. But congratulations to all those who will qualify!

2Face 11-20-2014 07:58 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
Willing to bet a million bucks on the fact that the administration deliberately left 31 and over ages dreamers out of DACA and planned for this very day to include them and make a big deal about it. NO DISRESPECT to anyone. I am super stoked for everyone who will become eligible for work permits but I cannot fathom my parents not being included. It is what it is.

Pianoswithoutfaith 11-20-2014 08:14 PM

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2Face my brah!!!

Severity 11-20-2014 08:18 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
Yeah Obama is acting like a pussy I doubt he'll allow enlistment.

Pianoswithoutfaith 11-20-2014 09:16 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
"How dare Obama, the person who only made there because of ME not do what I want him to do!!! That PUSSY!!!!"


Right?

Smooth 11-20-2014 09:17 PM

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Fuck...that shit is narrow.....sorry dudes.

2Face 11-20-2014 09:19 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
I think its time we start campaigning hard for a legitimate Democratic, not even a blue dog Dem for President in 2016 otherwise we are all losing our work permits by then.

Smooth 11-20-2014 09:20 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
The intro did not match the rest of the speech.....I thought he was going to go big....Shit, that is depressing. If I were him, I would not even meet up with those dreamers this weekend. They will most likely be pissed.

Why the fuck didn't he eliminate the age cap. If anything, dreamers who are aged out are more deserving those who broke the law and had kids here! What the fuck!

Dreamer0523 11-20-2014 09:20 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
I'm grateful for the permit. But he claims he doesn't want to destroy families, yet he's hurting our parents right now. Way to go Obama.

2Face 11-20-2014 09:22 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
Was the age cap lifted????

VeryNicePerson1 11-20-2014 09:24 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
I have no clue what to take out of the announcement.

Its full of vague...

Pianoswithoutfaith 11-20-2014 09:26 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
I though he did

https://www.scribd.com/embeds/247320784/content

Smooth 11-20-2014 09:28 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
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Originally Posted by VeryNicePerson1 (Post 547383)
I have no clue what to take out of the announcement.

Its full of vague...

Was eating a carne asada burrito. Threw it at the tv when I heard rest of speech.

chocolatedrop 11-20-2014 09:42 PM

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What fine and fees is he talking about? Why does he have to give specifics tomorrow? Shoot if I'm renewing my DACA for two years now, how can new people get approved for 3 yrs.... I'm happy but way confused...something's up his sleeve with these fines and fees....

2Face 11-20-2014 09:53 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 547359)
"How dare Obama, the person who only made there because of ME not do what I want him to do!!! That PUSSY!!!!"


Right?

Looks like someone's family just became eligible. Congrats bro.

WhotheDoctor 11-20-2014 09:57 PM

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do daca kids fall under legal temporary resident , or what?
What was the reason Obama couldn't include DACA parents?
its true his speech was vague

sk16 11-20-2014 09:58 PM

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http://www.uscis.gov/immigrationaction

The age cap is removed! Wat are yall talking about...

VeryNicePerson1 11-20-2014 09:59 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
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Originally Posted by WhotheDoctor (Post 547458)
do daca kids fall under legal temporary resident , or what?
What was the reason Obama couldn't include DACA parents?
its true his speech was vague

He meant legal permanent resident, aka Green Card holders.

He probably left out who he left out so his EO would be harder to challenge, aka politics.

Pianoswithoutfaith 11-20-2014 10:04 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 547447)
Looks like someone's family just became eligible. Congrats bro.


I am still upset he left parents of dreamers out, which includes half my family

sk16 11-20-2014 10:06 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
But this will lead to republicans passing real immigration reform..just watch. They wont miss out on getting the credits.

Pianoswithoutfaith 11-20-2014 10:08 PM

Re: Dreamers' parents to be excluded from immigration executive order, reports say
 
I was just thinking that.... with DA expanded, it literally cuts the work in half for them. If there IS an immigration reform, all people might have to do is just send an application to upgrade their DA

VeryNicePerson1 11-20-2014 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sk16 (Post 547481)
But this will lead to republicans passing real immigration reform..just watch. They wont miss out on getting the credits.

It is indeed possible the repubitards may still given in on immigration reform, they have a super majority in the House and a regular majority in the Senate, and they have it for 2 years.

Obama made his move, now its their turn...but knowing them they seem to already have their 2 years of hating on Obama all planned out.

VeryNicePerson1 11-20-2014 10:10 PM

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Another argument against the republipricks is what Obama mentioned again in his speech tonight...that they should stop looking for a fight, and stop trying to go backwards, and start doing their job by moving America forward into the future and pass immigration reform.

...but no, their probably thinking "WE CANT LET HIM WIN!!!!"


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