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highhysteric 11-11-2016 12:16 PM

United We Dream Said Not To Go Forward with New Applications?
 
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A day earlier, United We Dream (UWD) held two calls — one in English and one in Spanish — that brought together 3,000 people through their 55 affiliates in 26 states, where community members shared their deep anxiety over whether their parents will be deported and DACA protections will be stripped from DREAMers. UWD staff themselves are concerned: Most of them have DACA or are completely undocumented.
The group’s message to DACA-holders was to continue their renewal process if they are already in the middle of it, but not to go forward with new applications because of the specter that the personal information possessed by United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) could be shared with other parts of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). To that end, UWD said it is pressuring the White House to clear a backlog of DACA applications and wants further measures implemented to ensure the USCIS personal data will not be shared with other agencies.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarra...X8#.ljKZx8wXvA

I completely forgot about that meeting with United We Dream. The general consensus here is to continue applying until Trump removes it, but I think their concerns are legitimate to advice not to do new applications. It's a gamble right now when our future is so uncertain and they have all our information.

QueenB 11-11-2016 12:41 PM

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Thanks for sharing.

vaan 11-11-2016 12:48 PM

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The thing that's killing me isn't even the possible bad outcomes, it's this damn waiting game! I'm like dude just put me outta my misery at this point. This whole "what if this and what if that" and the mix of the defeatist attitude with some ppl on here is driving me nuts

carnivore 11-11-2016 12:52 PM

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Boycott uscis!!!

VeryNicePerson1 11-11-2016 12:56 PM

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I am still hanging on the hope that they won't target DACA like this.

Yes they may most likely cancel DACA, but to go the extra mile and use DACA beneficiaries as the first example of their anti-immigrant regime, by pulling the applicants information and systematically send out deportation hearing letters to one of the most productive group of people out of the entire 11 million or so undocumented population, while they scramble and scratch their head on how to find other undocumented individuals who aren't on the record anywhere???

Its them basically saying "We haven't learned anything, please don't re-elect us".

vaan 11-11-2016 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by VeryNicePerson1 (Post 587210)
I am still hanging on the hope that they won't target DACA like this.

, while they scramble and scratch their head on how to find other undocumented individuals who aren't on the record anywhere???

Exactly! I was debating with some one on how the hell would u find these ppl who are virtually invisible. The person was like raids and I'm dude not everyone is Latino and living in an immigrant filled community. If that is the case they'll have to go door to door every where. I know 2 mixed status black families where the undocumented ones never had anything in their name and just sit home in a middle class neighborhood so how will u track ppl like that down.

VeryNicePerson1 11-11-2016 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by vaan (Post 587216)
Exactly! I was debating with some one on how the hell would u find these ppl who are virtually invisible. The person was like raids and I'm dude not everyone is Latino and living in an immigrant filled community. If that is the case they'll have to go door to door every where. I know 2 mixed status black families where the undocumented ones never had anything in their name and just sit home in a middle class neighborhood so how will u track ppl like that down.

Which is why I find it very careless for them to try and deport the 1 million or so DACA beneficiaries and then fall flat on their face trying to find the other 10 million.

Is that what they want as a headline? "Trump administration deports DACA beneficiaries only, can't find anyone else"...is that what they want their immigrant policy accomplishment to be?

highhysteric 11-11-2016 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by VeryNicePerson1 (Post 587210)

Its them basically saying "We haven't learned anything, please don't re-elect us".

What lesson do you think they learned this time around? They won on a rhetoric of hate and suppression and people showed up to vote for them.

This outcome is a game changer. We can no longer pretend current American society is interested in unity and inclusion. The ugliest side of humanity has won and it is terrifying for every minority out there. Now we all feel a bit uncertain about our future in this new Post-Trump world. It's not just him, but about what is being reinforced now in society. All those kids currently in school being bullied for being Latino. And, the wave of hatred that will come. It's so saddening.

VeryNicePerson1 11-11-2016 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by highhysteric (Post 587221)
What lesson do you think they learned this time around? They won on a rhetoric of hate and suppression and people showed up to vote for them.

This outcome is a game changer. We can no longer pretend current American society is interested in unity and inclusion. The ugliest side of humanity has won and it is terrifying for every minority out there. Now we all feel a bit uncertain about our future in this new Post-Trump world. It's not just him, but about what is being reinforced now in society. All those kids currently in school being bullied for being Latino. And, the wave of hatred that will come. It's so saddening.

I hear ya, cannot argue with that, it is just a wave of uncertainty.

We will all have to wait and see.

Chyno.01 11-11-2016 01:36 PM

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I would still send it in. It is personal opinion.

2Face 11-11-2016 01:39 PM

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There's going to be tons of legal ramifications behind this hypothetically if Trump is to "revoke all EADs" Sadly I am not a man of law as my background is in number crunching so I can't elaborate any further but certainly we will see attorneys come out of the woodwork and chime in. I know for sure I am ready to fight this and get a decent lawyer for back up. There's trouble brewing on the horizon and we will do well to prepare.

Chyno.01 11-11-2016 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 587233)
There's going to be tons of legal ramifications behind this hypothetically if Trump is to "revoke all EADs" Sadly I am not a man of law as my background is in number crunching so I can't elaborate any further but certainly we will see attorneys come out of the woodwork and chime in. I know for sure I am ready to fight this and get a decent lawyer for back up. There's trouble brewing on the horizon and we will do well to prepare.

How is a lawyer going to help you?

2Face 11-11-2016 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chyno.01 (Post 587235)
How is a lawyer going to help you?

Are you a lawyer? Then please go ahead and answer the question. I am not, looks like you didn't read my post, so I can't answer the question. But using common sense again, I am telling you these work permits can't be snatched away by waving a magic wand.

greentea 11-11-2016 02:01 PM

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Obama should just set us as political refugees within the United States.. bam!

astroxp 11-11-2016 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by greentea (Post 587244)
Obama should just set us as political refugees within the United States.. bam!

He can do that AT THIS POINT?

Chyno.01 11-11-2016 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 587241)
Are you a lawyer? Then please go ahead and answer the question. I am not, looks like you didn't read my post, so I can't answer the question. But using common sense again, I am telling you these work permits can't be snatched away by waving a magic wand.

I am not a lawyer either. Hence I asked. I did read the post hence I asked.

The reason I asked is because youre acting like your basement flooded and your calling a roofer to fix it.

carnivore 11-11-2016 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 587241)
I am telling you these work permits can't be snatched away by waving a magic wand.

Are you a lawyer?

2Face 11-11-2016 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chyno.01 (Post 587256)
I am not a lawyer either. Hence I asked. I did read the post hence I asked.

The reason I asked is because youre acting like your basement flooded and your calling a roofer to fix it.

Then maybe you should couple up your questions with some suggestions to encourage some sort of discussion rather than asking me what my lawyer would do when I already said I am not a man of law. The way I am seeing things there is a strong indication that the memorandum signed in 2012 by Barry could be cancelled so the immediate solution to mitigate the backlash would certainly be to get a lawyer because you would be open to deportation. I don't think they will be focusing on deporting everyone but mainly criminals first.

Chyno.01 11-11-2016 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 587258)
Then maybe you should couple up your questions with some suggestions to encourage some sort of discussion rather than asking me what my lawyer would do when I already said I am not a man of law. The way I am seeing things there is a strong indication that the memorandum signed in 2012 by Barry could be cancelled so the immediate solution to mitigate the backlash would certainly be to get a lawyer because you would be open to deportation. I don't think they will be focusing on deporting everyone but mainly criminals first.

Okay that didn't answer my question.

But okay.

2MoreYears 11-11-2016 03:21 PM

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Chyno n 2Face at it!!!! Nice!!

QueenB 11-11-2016 03:38 PM

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We should all know the first thing you need to do when ICE gets you is to get a lawyer! Don't sign anything and the only words to come out of your mouth should be "I need to talk to my lawyer". So, at the end a lawyer will be the only one who could possibly help you. Btw, I am not a lawyer either.

2Face 11-11-2016 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 587280)
Chyno n 2Face at it!!!! Nice!!

2face don't give a shit brah. Its either here or there. When trouble's brewing, gotta come up with a viable solution to mitigate the risk and hit the road with full confidence! We're on a collision course right here. Even prominent activists/DAPers like Ianus are hearing the siren bells on the horizon. My initial thinking here is to mobilize myself IN CASE my work permit is revoked (that would open me up to possible ICE raid/deportation) so I will have an attorney ready to protect my family from being abused at the detention center.


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