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JohannBernoulli1667 11-17-2016 10:57 PM

Obama should pardon - has lawmakers input
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/ar...-democrats-say



The speculation continues, this article has some detail about Republicans even talking about it.

This article claims law makers are discussing options. The only thing is that not Trump would decide whether to sign or not. If it is not one thing is another. Democracy is so disfunctional.

This article

Undocumented immigrants seen risking deportation under Trump
More than 750,000 youth were protected under 2012 Obama order
A group of House Democrats called on President Barack Obama to pardon about 750,000 young undocumented immigrants who are temporarily shielded from deportation under a 2012 executive order, a move that reflects growing concern about a shift in immigration policy expected after President-elect Donald Trump takes power in January.
“By no fault of their own, these Americans are prisoners in their own country, living their daily lives, not knowing if they will be deported to another country,” Representative Lucille Roybal-Allard, a California Democrat, said at a news conference. She and a group of other lawmakers active on immigration policy sent a letter to Obama with their request Thursday.
But a White House official dismissed the idea late Thursday, saying that the president’s clemency power cannot confer legal status upon an undocumented immigrant and that only Congress can do so.

The immigrants, sometimes referred to as “Dreamers,” provided information including fingerprints and relatives’ home addresses when they applied for protection under the president’s 2012 executive order, known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals. They received renewable, two-year work permits and Social Security cards as part of the program. Democrats are concerned that information could be used to facilitate deportations in the next administration.

Trump campaigned on an agenda that included building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border and deporting the roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S. He softened his rhetoric in a “60 Minutes” interview on Sunday, saying he would focus first on illegal immigrants who have committed crimes, who he said are “gang members, drug dealers” and number as many as 3 million.
Many lawmakers in both parties have expressed concern about Trump’s proposals and rhetoric on immigration. A number of

Republicans in both chambers have said this week they are particularly concerned about how he will address the needs of the younger immigrants covered by Obama’s 2012 action.
‘Forced Upon Us’
Republican Senators Jeff Flake of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina are among those who this week said Congress will likely need to take some action to address their status, particularly as those two-year permits begin to expire.
“There will be people timed out of it, so the issue will be forced upon us before long,” Flake said.


Roybal-Allard and three other Democrats sent Obama a letter with their request for pardons, arguing the immigrants who registered for the DACA program “face uncertainty, fear and stress, leading to psychological issues including depression, anxiety and an increased risk of suicide.”
Conversations About Pardons
Representative Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat who signed the letter, said she and other lawmakers have had “private conversations” with the administration about possible pardons, but declined to say what response they’ve had.
Obama’s program allows people aged 31 and under who were seeking or had completed an education and who had been in the country for at least five years to get work permits. He later extended relief to an additional 3.6 million undocumented parents of American-born children, but that is on hold pending a lawsuit. Obama took his action affecting the younger immigrants after Congress stalled for years on legislation called the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act, or DREAM Act, which would have provided a path to legal status.
Frank Sharry, executive director of the pro-immigrant group America’s Voice, said that since the election, his group has been deluged by calls from young people participating in the program.
“Right now, many families have been plunged into crisis,” he said. “Many undocumented families are trying to figure out what to do. If their address is known by the government, should they move? Should they go back to their home country rather than try to weather four years of a Trump administration? Others are saying we should stand up and fight.”
Obama already has deported more people than any prior president, formally removing almost 2.8 million people since taking office, compared with 2 million under George W. Bush and 870,000 under Bill Clinton.

Crilly 11-17-2016 10:57 PM

Re: Obama should pardon - has lawmakers input
 
I am sorry, but this is a bad idea and it is too late for this.

chessmaster05 11-17-2016 11:01 PM

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If trump does take away our ead can we sue to get our fees back?

Swim19 11-17-2016 11:07 PM

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I'm glad it is being discussed and all options to help us are being explored.

Crilly 11-17-2016 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chessmaster05 (Post 589544)
If trump does take away our ead can we sue to get our fees back?

That would be over 1.5k for me.

Some people that went with lawyers probably over 10k.

chessmaster05 11-17-2016 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Crilly (Post 589550)
That would be over 1.5k for me.

Well, from a business perspective if you pay for a serclvice you should get that service. If taken away. Why can't i get my fees back? 750k dreamers times 485 a head comes to about 364 million they should return in fees.

anitagreencard 11-17-2016 11:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crilly (Post 589534)
I am sorry, but this is a bad idea and it is too late for this.

How is it a bad idea? A pardon of unlawful presence would open up pathways for thousands of dreamers. (Especially dreamers who are fighting cases).

JohannBernoulli1667 11-17-2016 11:18 PM

Re: Obama should pardon - has lawmakers input
 
Sorry, I posted from my phone and it was hard to edit. I wanted to focus on the republican senators that support us.


I think the pardon is doable in my opinion. I think it would not do much in the short term, but like other articles pointed out, it would put pressure on congress to finally pass a law and perhaps compromise with some type of wall.




I think some people were right, we are getting a lot of press and this is being discussed by many.


We will see what comes out of it. This article assumes our permits would be left to expire.

freshh. 11-17-2016 11:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by anitagreencard (Post 589554)
How is it a bad idea? A pardon of unlawful presence would open up pathways for thousands of dreamers. (Especially dreamers who are fighting cases).

I think what some people are taking issue with is that if President Obama does something, it places us on the The Orange One's radar for retaliation.

Crilly 11-17-2016 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 589559)
I think what some people are taking issue with is that if President Obama does something, it places us on the The Orange One's radar for retaliation.

Exactly.

eva02 11-17-2016 11:28 PM

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If Obama does something rn all the racist hillbilly trump supporters would pressure him to get even. With them it's all about winning.

JohannBernoulli1667 11-17-2016 11:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 589559)
I think what some people are taking issue with is that if President Obama does something, it places us on the Cheetoh Jesus's radar for retaliation.



I believe that in fact, democrats want to helps us and they really care about the well being of dreamers. I think that the best course of action would be to push for actual legislation, they will have some bargaining power in the senate. If some republicans take initiative to discuss immigration I think with a pardon, it would be a bit more urgent to take care of the situation.


They are talking about 750,000 who came here as kids. Fund their stupid wall and give us a lifeline.

freshh. 11-17-2016 11:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 589565)
I believe that in fact, democrats want to helps us and they really care about the well being of dreamers. I think that the best course of action would be to push for actual legislation, they will have some bargaining power in the senate. If some republicans take initiative to discuss immigration I think with a pardon, it would be a bit more urgent to take care of the situation.


They are talking about 750,000 who came here as kids. Fund their stupid wall and give us a lifeline.

I totally understand. Personally, I have never understood how DREAM Act failed time and time again. But, we're the "scary brown people" which is enough of a reason to deny us a chance in this country, apparently.

...oh and maybe the lie that we'll petition for 12 relatives in [INSERT COUNTRY OF ORIGIN HERE].

Swim19 11-17-2016 11:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 589564)
If Obama does something rn all the racist hillbilly trump supporters would pressure him to get even. With them it's all about winning.

I don't think Democrats and Obama would go through with a pardon unless it would fully protect us from retaliation.

semaj 11-17-2016 11:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by anitagreencard (Post 589554)
How is it a bad idea? A pardon of unlawful presence would open up pathways for thousands of dreamers. (Especially dreamers who are fighting cases).

Because that only works for a few. Pardon is a stupid idea

anitagreencard 11-17-2016 11:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 589559)
I think what some people are taking issue with is that if President Obama does something, it places us on the The Orange One's radar for retaliation.


What kind of retaliation?

Crilly 11-17-2016 11:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by anitagreencard (Post 589576)
What kind of retaliation?

Like no immigration bill at all. Not even a consideration for legalization to illegals.

anitagreencard 11-17-2016 11:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by semaj (Post 589574)
Because that only works for a few. Pardon is a stupid idea

It would benefit everyone if it includes the pardon of any accrued unlawful presence. Maybe not directly or immediately.

semaj 11-17-2016 11:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by anitagreencard (Post 589585)
It would benefit everyone if it includes the pardon of any accrued unlawful presence. Maybe not directly or immediately.

Okay. So now what? You wanna go to your home country and wait years to get into the US? This works for those with USC relatives not the rest

anitagreencard 11-17-2016 11:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crilly (Post 589580)
Like no immigration bill at all. Not even a consideration for legalization to illegals.

Why would he even consider a bill to legalize anyone if he can't even protect the most vulnerable/lowest priority cases?

If DACA ends, most dreamers will have nothing to protect them being deported and banned.

Crilly 11-17-2016 11:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by anitagreencard (Post 589591)
Why would he even consider a bill to legalize anyone if he can't even protect the most vulnerable/lowest priority cases?

If DACA ends, most dreamers will have nothing to protect them being deported and banned.

Because he said he will make a great immigration bill last Sunday on 60 minutes.

We have more chance of something happening than Obama pardoning us and we lose all that chance.

anitagreencard 11-17-2016 11:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by semaj (Post 589588)
Okay. So now what? You wanna go to your home country and wait years to get into the US? This works for those with USC relatives not the rest

If not, you risk being deported anyway and facing decade + of never seeing this soil again.

Crilly 11-17-2016 11:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by anitagreencard (Post 589595)
If not, you risk being deported anyway and facing decade + of never seeing this soil again.

It is a risk, we are willing to take.

And as you can see, most of the DAP members including mods agree that a pardon is a bad idea.

JohannBernoulli1667 11-18-2016 12:03 AM

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I think a pardon would force law makers to look at the issue actually. They can't leave us pardoned and without status.

If we don't get pardoned then we go back to the old times...

My opinion though.

chessmaster05 11-18-2016 12:07 AM

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If you get a pardon and all illegal presence gets cleared your employer can sponsor you. The only reason people talk about marriage is beacuse marriage to a USC forgives illegal presence just like a pardon.

anitagreencard 11-18-2016 12:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crilly (Post 589596)
It is a risk, we are willing to take.

And as you can see, most of the DAP members including mods agree that a pardon is a bad idea.

Why would Trump/congress favor CIR (that includes legalization) and not a pardon which doesn't grant any legal status?

complicatedc33 11-18-2016 12:49 AM

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If our permits are allowed to expire should we be able to do advanced parole ?? Technically we need advanced parole for jobs, humanitarian, and school. Will they let us travel?

Smooth 11-18-2016 01:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 589559)
I think what some people are taking issue with is that if President Obama does something, it places us on the The Orange One's radar for retaliation.

This.

Smooth 11-18-2016 01:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crilly (Post 589593)
Because he said he will make a great immigration bill last Sunday on 60 minutes.

We have more chance of something happening than Obama pardoning us and we lose all that chance.

This. If Obama pardons us, I think Trump and Republicans may really refuse to touch on permanent relief.

DACA-IR-DA 11-18-2016 02:17 AM

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What about eDACA/DAPA?

semaj 11-18-2016 04:05 AM

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Oh, God. Not again DACA

JohannBernoulli1667 11-18-2016 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by complicatedc33 (Post 589611)
If our permits are allowed to expire should we be able to do advanced parole ?? Technically we need advanced parole for jobs, humanitarian, and school. Will they let us travel?

Not for certain. I personally would never risk it.

VeryNicePerson1 11-18-2016 10:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by complicatedc33 (Post 589611)
If our permits are allowed to expire should we be able to do advanced parole ?? Technically we need advanced parole for jobs, humanitarian, and school. Will they let us travel?

Advanced Parole???

Let us travel???

We are on the brink of losing what little livelihood we have, and you want to know if they will still let us travel?...no of course not!

I mean, sure you can still travel, but don't expect to be allowed back into the USA...lol...

biscuitneck 11-18-2016 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DACA-IR-DA (Post 589623)
What about eDACA/DAPA?

I don't even think you realize just how good of a troll you are.

Pianoswithoutfaith 11-18-2016 01:25 PM

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I am surprise hes hasnt been banned yet again


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