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JohannBernoulli1667 11-28-2016 09:40 PM

urbin prepares measures to protect "Dreamers" under the DACA 2012
 
http://laopinion.com/2016/11/28/durb...-daca-de-2012/

This will be a long shot but I am certainly thankful for Senator Durbin and his support.

The page was in spanish and just used the translate function so I hope it makes sense.

:lol:

WASHINGTON The Democratic senator from Illinois, Dick Durbin, said Monday it will introduce a measure to protect the "Dreamers" covered under the "DACA" 2012, and urged the president-elect Donald Trump, to maintain that program goodwill gesture to heal the divisions of the war.

In an interview with this newspaper from his spacious office in the Capitol, Durbin said that if the program of "deferred action" is not renewed, more than 740,000 "Dreamers" remain in limbo , but expressed confidence that Trump soften its rhetoric.

"We are trying to approach the elected president asking him to evaluate this matter ... do not know what Donald Trump as president, we know everything said in the race, hard things, scary, divisive and even hateful. I hope that the office of the Presidency have a profound and positive impact on him, "he said.



"I do not think there's a miracle or magic before 20 January, but will present a bill in the next session starting in January, and we will be organizing the support of legislators," he said.



"Perhaps the Republicans have a different way to correct the problem which we present immigration while Democrats, but ask that at least protect these young people, who do not put at risk of deportation," he said.

The capsizing of the "Dreamers" has reached the ears of the Vatican, according to Durbin, who traveled to Rome last week because the archbishop of Chicago was promoted to cardinal.

On 8 November, when he defeated at the polls to Democrat Hillary Clinton, Trump asked leave behind the squabbles and "heal the wounds of division" in the race.

Durbin co-authored the "Dream Act" of 2001, who died in Congress in this and subsequent years. Unlike that measure, which would have been permanently, the "DACA" 2012 is a temporary "band-aid", implemented by a guideline that Trump could well remove with just his signature.

There will be no presidential pardon

To Durbin, budding measure becomes urgent because President Barack Obama, in his opinion, can not offer a "pardon" to the "Dreamers", as requested by pro-immigrant groups.

"First, because the presidential pardon applies to criminal acts-and the illegal presence is a civil immigration offense and secondly, even if it could, if forgives today, tomorrow they would again violate (immigration law)," said Durbin.

Although there are precedents for presidential "pardon" with Confederate soldiers after the Civil War, and those who evaded conscription into the Vietnam War, both those pardoned were citizens or legal residents, experts said.

Obama "has few options if they have any; their hands are tied , "he said Durbin, who has spoken directly with the president, with its main domestic policy adviser, Cecilia Muñoz, and with the departments of Justice and Homeland Security.

neoair 11-28-2016 10:25 PM

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I hope they do something about eDaca beneficiaries too :(

Smooth 11-28-2016 10:27 PM

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I love Senator Durbin. He needs to run for president.

Smooth 11-28-2016 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by neoair (Post 591409)
I hope they do something about eDaca beneficiaries too :(

Damn. I am sorry. I assume you didn't qualify for DACA?

eva02 11-28-2016 10:41 PM

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If anything this will gets lots of attention and if trump overturns daca it'll set off his presidency as the xenophobic mess it'll be. There will be a lot of attention on daca come January.

JohannBernoulli1667 11-28-2016 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by neoair (Post 591409)
I hope they do something about eDaca beneficiaries too :(


:-(

I am sorry. It really makes me admire you guys. I mean it seems like you just missed the cut off date. I am sorry. Please remain strong.


What are you doing right now in terms of work or studying? Please continue to fight.

Smooth 11-28-2016 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 591414)
:-(

I am sorry. It really makes me admire you guys. I mean it seems like you just missed the cut off date. I am sorry. Please remain strong.


What are you doing right now in terms of work or studying? Please continue to fight.

Yes, stupid politics around the age requirements. So stupid. I do not know mean to set off a tangent debate but age rules should be: arrived before the age of 18 and no age cap.

JohannBernoulli1667 11-28-2016 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 591416)
Yes, stupid politics around the age requirements. So stupid. I do not know mean to set off a tangent debate but age rules should be: arrived before the age of 18 and no age cap.

I know Durbin would not let dreamers in that situation in limbo. I am sure he would word it in a way that would be fair for those people who aged out.

He is legitimately a warrior for our cause.


I wish he had more of a personality to run for president.

Smooth 11-28-2016 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 591417)
I know Durbin would not let dreamers in that situation in limbo. I am sure he would word it in a way that would be fair for those people who aged out.

He is legitimately a warrior for our cause.


I wish he had more of a personality to run for president.

Definitely. He sets those age limits because of pressure from others.

JohannBernoulli1667 11-28-2016 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 591418)
Definitely. He sets those age limits because of pressure from others.

I guess one thing is that Sessions will not be in the Senate making his moronic speeches that make no sense against the dream act.


What a fucking idiot.

He was the main person against the DA in 2010. Him and his stupid racist views. He is high on my list for people I really hope they die soon. Unfortunately, people like him are the ones that last the most.

Smooth 11-28-2016 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 591420)
I guess one thing is that Sessions will not be in the Senate making his moronic speeches that make no sense against the dream act.


What a fucking idiot.

He was the main person against the DA in 2010. Him and his stupid racist views. He is high on my list for people I really hope they die soon. Unfortunately, people like him are the ones that last the most.

lmfaooo same thing came to mind. Maybe, Trump did that on purpose, so Sessions would not be in the Senate. lmfao

Bad thing is that prick Cruz is still there. The Cuban Sessions. Son of a bitch.

JohannBernoulli1667 11-28-2016 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 591422)
lmfaooo same thing came to mind. Maybe, Trump did that on purpose, so Sessions would not be in the Senate. lmfao

Bad thing is that prick Cruz is still there. The Cuban Sessions. Son of a bitch.

Yeah, but everyone hates Cruz. Even republicans in the Senate won't listen to Cruz.



Relevant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMgaqhTZBlg

Smooth 11-28-2016 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 591423)
Yeah, but everyone hates Cruz. Even republicans in the Senate won't listen to Cruz.



Relevant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMgaqhTZBlg

Senator Graham lmfaooooo

Damn. The GOP really hates him. lmfao Thanks for sharing the video.

greentea 11-29-2016 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 591420)
I guess one thing is that Sessions will not be in the Senate making his moronic speeches that make no sense against the dream act.


What a fucking idiot.

He was the main person against the DA in 2010. Him and his stupid racist views. He is high on my list for people I really hope they die soon. Unfortunately, people like him are the ones that last the most.

Yep, he's the perfect example of "a bad weed never dies".

2MoreYears 11-29-2016 12:43 AM

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Let's hope there will be republicans co-sponsoring the bill.

Pianoswithoutfaith 11-29-2016 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by greentea (Post 591427)
Yep, he's the perfect example of "a bad weed never dies".


Not to mention people on this site actually are cheering for Sessions What are they calles? #DreamForTrump DAP super fanclub I think

highhysteric 11-29-2016 01:11 AM

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God bless Durbin! He's amazing. He's my hero!

greentea 11-29-2016 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by highhysteric (Post 591438)
God bless Durbin! He's amazing. He's my hero!

My hero too!! He's been trying for 15 years to do good. I hope he knows we're all thankful for his efforts!

Crilly 11-29-2016 07:47 AM

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I don't see trump supporting the dream act since it is something from Democrats. I believe the Republicans will submit their own version.

This is my opinion.

JohannBernoulli1667 11-29-2016 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Crilly (Post 591457)
I don't see trump supporting the dream act since it is something from Democrats. I believe the Republicans will submit their own version.

This is my opinion.

It's a good start.

DogJuiceMan 11-29-2016 09:26 AM

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I still cant believe there are dreamers for trump lmao. Its hilariously sad. Yes, let us support the guy who wants to remove us, and has been saying that for the last year.

And the evidence? Oh they say its a "hunch". A hunch is a terrible way to say you guessed.

JJ Glo 11-29-2016 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DogJuiceMan (Post 591464)
I still cant believe there are dreamers for trump lmao. Its hilariously sad. Yes, let us support the guy who wants to remove us, and has been saying that for the last year.

And the evidence? Oh they say its a "hunch". A hunch is a terrible way to say you guessed.

What do you suggest we do? We are at his mercy now. The smart thing to do is to get on his good side and hope he doesn't kick our asses out.

JohannBernoulli1667 11-29-2016 10:23 AM

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The whole point of Durban doing this is that it will begin the discussion about immigration. Republicans will need to pass a bill that will hopefully include some form of relief for us, along with enforcement and some harsh changes in the current system, more funding for the wall etc..

Pianoswithoutfaith 11-29-2016 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 591467)
What do you suggest we do? We are at his mercy now. The smart thing to do is to get on his good side and hope he doesn't kick our asses out.


This so some weird Stockholm syndrome man

Smooth 11-29-2016 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DogJuiceMan (Post 591464)
I still cant believe there are dreamers for trump lmao. Its hilariously sad. Yes, let us support the guy who wants to remove us, and has been saying that for the last year.

And the evidence? Oh they say its a "hunch". A hunch is a terrible way to say you guessed.

I am not saying we should agree with him on everything or kiss his ass. I am saying we need to work with him. That's the reality. But, if you want to, we can wait four or eight years until a person we all like gets elected, so we can work together on relief. He has expressed a desire to cooperate. Let's try to take advantage of that.

In the mean time, let us bask in the agony and misery of trying to sustain ourselves while we hold on to our pride and suffer as ideologues.

We criticize the right for not coming to the center on immigration. Yet, you are implying we should behave the same. WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, Trump is the guy you will need to pressure and ask for relief. Doesn't mean he has to be your hero.

Was Rigoberta Menchu a triator to all of the innocent genocide victims just because she had to work with Efrain Rios Mont (one of the masterminds of the genocide) in Guatemala's legislature? She had no choice but to work with him. Similarly, we do not have a choice but to work with Trump.

Smooth 11-29-2016 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 591471)
This so some weird Stockholm syndrome man

No, that's the harsh reality dude. The legislators who sympathize with us need to work with him. Whether you like or not, we will have to pressure him and ask him for relief. That is the reality that you are refusing to accept. What do you suggest we do man? Honestly, you criticize my pragmatism, yet you do not offer any approaches. What is your approach? Wait 4 to 8 years for another President? You do realize he has a very good chance of getting re-elected, don't you?

Arguing politics of polarization, like Ted Cruz, is a sign of poor leadership man. I concede and agree with you on many things about Trump; we can't trust him blindly or say he is a great human being. But, we can't go back into our caves and refuse to engage in dialogue with him.

eva02 11-29-2016 12:19 PM

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He won by very small margins in a lot of swing states. By 2020 when he doesn't bring back the jobs he'll be out of there.

Smooth 11-29-2016 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 591475)
He won by very small margins in a lot of swing states. By 2020 when he doesn't bring back the jobs he'll be out of there.

Let's hope so.

In the mean time, let's try . . .

Dres2011 11-29-2016 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 591468)
The whole point of Durban doing this is that it will begin the discussion about immigration. Republicans will need to pass a bill that will hopefully include some form of relief for us, along with enforcement and some harsh changes in the current system, more funding for the wall etc..

This is how the game is going to be played, piecemeal legislation.

Pianoswithoutfaith 11-29-2016 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 591474)
No, that's the harsh reality dude. The legislators who sympathize with us need to work with him. Whether you like or not, we will have to pressure him and ask him for relief. That is the reality that you are refusing to accept. What do you suggest we do man? Honestly, you criticize my pragmatism, yet you do not offer any approaches. What is your approach? Wait 4 to 8 years for another President? You do realize he has a very good chance of getting re-elected, don't you?

Arguing politics of polarization, like Ted Cruz, is a sign of poor leadership man. I concede and agree with you on many things about Trump; we can't trust him blindly or say he is a great human being. But, we can't go back into our caves and refuse to engage in dialogue with him.

Trump isn't the issue. The issue as we have always said here is his team , the #REAL Trump Dream and these people aren't very well known for listening and historically have been very against any immigration bills. How do we convince these people exactly who are years ahead of trump when it comes to playing politics ?

Crilly 11-29-2016 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 591483)
Trump isn't the issue. The issue as we have always said here is his team , the #REAL Trump Dream and these people aren't very well known for listening and historically have been very against any immigration bills. How do we convince these people exactly who are years ahead of trump when it comes to playing politics ?

I don't think the issue has always been said to be Trumps team. Even before Trump announced we are terrific people, or before announcing Sessions, you and others were against him with a hatred.

neoair 11-29-2016 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 591412)
Damn. I am sorry. I assume you didn't qualify for DACA?

Yes, I missed the cutoff date by exactly 2 months.

neoair 11-29-2016 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 591414)
:-(

I am sorry. It really makes me admire you guys. I mean it seems like you just missed the cut off date. I am sorry. Please remain strong.


What are you doing right now in terms of work or studying? Please continue to fight.

Yes, I did miss the cutoff date by exactly 2 months. Thank you :D

I am currently studying full-time. Used to work but I decided to pursue my degree.

Smooth 11-29-2016 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 591483)
Trump isn't the issue. The issue as we have always said here is his team , the #REAL Trump Dream and these people aren't very well known for listening and historically have been very against any immigration bills. How do we convince these people exactly who are years ahead of trump when it comes to playing politics ?

Very good question. All I can tell you is that sitting on the sidelines and refusing to reach out or give it a try is not the answer.

Smooth 11-29-2016 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Crilly (Post 591492)
I don't think the issue has always been said to be Trumps team. Even before Trump announced we are terrific people, or before announcing Sessions, you and others were against him with a hatred.

To be fair, I am sure most of us had that feeling either because we lean left, or we were just not very familiar with or clear on Trump's immigration plan.

I am not a fan of the guy. I wanted Hillary to win because of DACA. Now, I advocate for cooperation and cautious optimism now that his rhetoric is relatively flexible on immigration.

2MoreYears 11-29-2016 04:34 PM

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Trump's #DreamTeam going strong here.

Crilly 11-29-2016 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 591511)
Trump's #DreamTeam going strong here.

Link

His whole team is not 100% full of racist people like many of you believe it is.

2MoreYears 11-29-2016 04:48 PM

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What are you talking about? We don't need 100% . Sessions alone will be 50% of our problems, and we're yet to know who will be Secretary of home land security, out of the list I think Giuliani is the least evil, my opinion.

Crilly 11-29-2016 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 591514)
What are you talking about? We don't need 100% . Sessions alone will be 50% of our problems.

What would be the other 50%?

2MoreYears 11-29-2016 04:59 PM

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Secretary of Homeland Security.


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