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neoair 02-01-2017 12:47 AM
White House Tries to Course Correct After Messy Travel Restriction Rollout
 
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Washington (CNN) - For those in the White House yearning for a more controlled structure than existed in Donald Trump's presidential campaign, the messy rollout of the executive order restricting travel into the US may have been a gift.

White House sources tell CNN the President himself was unhappy with the way it was executed -- particularly the backlash caused by poor communication to key agencies and members of Congress.

According to sources familiar with internal White House conversations, Chief of Staff Reince Priebus will now take more control of the systems dealing with basic functions, like executive orders.

The way one source described it: Priebus already technically had the authority, but clearly the staff needed a reminder "not to color outside their lines."

The same source said the executive order on travel restrictions, written largely by Trump policy adviser Stephen Miller, was moved too quickly without "reading in" people who could have helped execute it more cleanly.

The source said it wasn't nefarious, but rather "irrational exuberance" and a desire to be "too ambitious" too fast.

Steve Bannon and Jared Kushner, two other senior advisers, still have considerable power and influence with Trump. Administration officials say no role has been diminished or expanded but rather existing roles clarified. It is unclear how that will fit in with Priebus exerting more control over White House operations. Additionally, White House Counselor Kellyanne Conway is expected to take more control of the communications strategy.

White House press secretary Sean Spicer took on responsibilities of communications director after Jason Miller, who was named to the post, withdrew over the holidays.
Administration officials say they do not blame Spicer for the sloppy rollout. Instead, they say it is a reminder of the need for an additional staffer to focus on communications strategy, which most modern White Houses have had in addition to the White House press secretary.

For Trump in particular, who incessantly watches the news and monitors how he and his White House are being perceived, getting someone in that role is essential.

It is unclear if Conway will get the formal title of communications director in addition to that of counselor to the president, or simply take on the responsibility.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/31/politi...inkId=33995727

JohannBernoulli1667 02-01-2017 12:48 AM
Re: White House Tries to Course Correct After Messy Travel Restriction Rollout
 
Good news for us! Go Priebus!!

eva02 02-01-2017 12:56 AM
Re: White House Tries to Course Correct After Messy Travel Restriction Rollout
 
Lmfaoooooo that's what that racist baboon miller gets. #knowyourplace

This is what happens when hatred overpowers logic, they rolled that EO out so messy.

eva02 02-01-2017 12:58 AM
Re: White House Tries to Course Correct After Messy Travel Restriction Rollout
 
I never thought I'd be cheering for a republican, but I hope preibus can get trump to realize how damaging undoing DACA will be. It'll be the Muslim ban on steroids. Even some trump supporters are sympathetic only to us.

dreamer01100101 02-01-2017 01:13 AM
Re: White House Tries to Course Correct After Messy Travel Restriction Rollout
 
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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 601240)
I never thought I'd be cheering for a republican, but I hope preibus can get trump to realize how damaging undoing DACA will be. It'll be the Muslim ban on steroids. Even some trump supporters are sympathetic only to us.
I highly doubt that. This EO is a disaster, targeting people who are legally here, LPRs, H1Bs etc. They might feel bad for us but we are illegal after all. If they are willing to do that to LPRs I doubt they'll care much about us.

Think about it H1Bs probably contribute more on taxes than dreamers do, just by the nature of their job. Not everyone here is upper middle class, whereas I'd say a lot of H1Bs are upper middle class, at least here in the bay area tech scene. Our best shot is if they are willing to use us as bargaining chips, and that's not gonna be pretty for whoever is in the receiving end. You might get something but what will be the cost.

eva02 02-01-2017 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by dreamer01100101 (Post 601244)
I highly doubt that. This EO is a disaster, targeting people who are legally here, LPRs, H1Bs etc. They might feel bad for us but we are illegal after all. If they are willing to do that to LPRs I doubt they'll care much about us.

Think about it H1Bs probably contribute more on taxes than dreamers do, just by the nature of their job. Not everyone here is upper middle class, whereas I'd say a lot of H1Bs are upper middle class, at least here in the bay area tech scene. Our best shot is if they are willing to use us as bargaining chips, and that's not gonna be pretty for whoever is in the receiving end. You might get something but what will be the cost.
To the general public immigrants are immigrants. Whether legal or otherwise. Dreamers have the most sympathy because we were brought against our wills as children. We have garnered a lot of support from top universities and companies. Of course we will be used as a bargaining chip.

Your use of semantics and categories is atrocious. Please stop internalizing that illegal BS. No human is illegal.

ECW 02-01-2017 01:27 AM
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I saw an article about an hour ago, that said credible administration sources are saying in 4 weeks Trump will likely end DACA and only renewals will be accepted. I can't have the shit now!! damn

jaylove16 02-01-2017 01:31 AM
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^post it!

libertarian1776 02-01-2017 01:32 AM
Re: White House Tries to Course Correct After Messy Travel Restriction Rollout
 
so we (750k daca recipients) can keep renewing as long we're in the program? eh thats fine. If eligible applicants didnt know about it, thats their fault for living under a rock. they had about nearly 5 years to decide to apply or not. so if they want to apply under a trump administration, they are shit out of luck. if they didnt apply within those 5 years they probably didnt qualify or were scared to... so in a way it weeds out the bad hombres.


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Originally Posted by ECW (Post 601247)
I saw an article about an hour ago, that said credible administration sources are saying in 4 weeks Trump will likely end DACA and only renewals will be accepted. I can't have the shit now!! damn

eva02 02-01-2017 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 601251)
so we (750k daca recipients) can keep renewing as long we're in the program? eh thats fine. If eligible applicants didnt know about it, thats their fault for living under a rock. they had about nearly 5 years to decide to apply or not. so if they want to apply under a trump administration, they are shit out of luck. if they didnt apply within those 5 years they wont probably qualify anyway cause of misdemeanors or other shit. so in a way it weeds out the bad hombres.
I hope this isn't true though. I feel bad for the kids just turning 16 and getting ready to apply. If this is true though I hope a more permanent relief will be offered for us and them through congress.

xxrenegadexx 02-01-2017 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 601251)
so we (750k daca recipients) can keep renewing as long we're in the program? eh thats fine. If eligible applicants didnt know about it, thats their fault for living under a rock. they had about nearly 5 years to decide to apply or not. so if they want to apply under a trump administration, they are shit out of luck. if they didnt apply within those 5 years they probably didnt qualify or were scared to... so in a way it weeds out the bad hombres.
But, what about the ones that just turned 16 years old, lol.

libertarian1776 02-01-2017 01:39 AM
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fuuuuck man isnt there a cut off date on arrivals at 2007? he should make another DACA for minors then. lol


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Originally Posted by xxrenegadexx (Post 601253)
But, what about the ones that just turned 16 years old, lol.

libertarian1776 02-01-2017 01:45 AM
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yeah you right.. but hey for immigrants right now its a jungle out here, we're surviving to live now. lol ill take whatever scraps i can...

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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 601252)
I hope this isn't true though. I feel bad for the kids just turning 16 and getting ready to apply. If this is true though I hope a more permanent relief will be offered for us and them through congress.

eva02 02-01-2017 01:48 AM
Re: White House Tries to Course Correct After Messy Travel Restriction Rollout
 
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Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 601255)
yeah you right.. but hey for immigrants right now its a jungle out here, we're surviving to live now. lol ill take whatever scraps i can...
I can't find any article with that information though. I've been doing twitter searches.

dreamer01100101 02-01-2017 02:49 AM
Re: White House Tries to Course Correct After Messy Travel Restriction Rollout
 
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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 601245)
To the general public immigrants are immigrants. Whether legal or otherwise. Dreamers have the most sympathy because we were brought against our wills as children. We have garnered a lot of support from top universities and companies. Of course we will be used as a bargaining chip.

Your use of semantics and categories is atrocious. Please stop internalizing that illegal BS. No human is illegal.
The point I am trying to make is that we do not have more rights than a permanent resident. If Trump were to end DACA we will have support, but it is expected move after all. Banning visa holders and LPRs from 7 countries was not expected. There will be protests sure, but not as many as the ones we saw all over the US this weekend.

It's time a some people in our community stop feeling entitled, this country doesn't owe us. I am not saying we shouldn't fight for our cause but we should be more careful on what to demand and expect from the other side. Especially when the people who represent and care deeply about our cause hold a minority of the seats in the house and the senate.

g33k 02-01-2017 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by dreamer01100101 (Post 601259)
The point I am trying to make is that we do not have more rights than a permanent resident. If Trump were to end DACA we will have support, but it is expected move after all. Banning visa holders and LPRs from 7 countries was not expected. There will be protests sure, but not as many as the ones we saw all over the US this weekend.

It's time a some people in our community stop feeling entitled, this country doesn't owe us. I am not saying we shouldn't fight for our cause but we should be more careful on what to demand and expect from the other side. Especially when the people who represent and care deeply about our cause hold a minority of the seats in the house and the senate.
Now people can't really protest. If you protest and get arrested, that's it. You will definitely get deported.

eva02 02-01-2017 03:03 AM
Re: White House Tries to Course Correct After Messy Travel Restriction Rollout
 
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Originally Posted by dreamer01100101 (Post 601259)
The point I am trying to make is that we do not have more rights than a permanent resident. If Trump were to end DACA we will have support, but it is expected move after all. Banning visa holders and LPRs from 7 countries was not expected. There will be protests sure, but not as many as the ones we saw all over the US this weekend.

It's time a some people in our community stop feeling entitled, this country doesn't owe us. I am not saying we shouldn't fight for our cause but we should be more careful on what to demand and expect from the other side. Especially when the people who represent and care deeply about our cause hold a minority of the seats in the house and the senate.
Ur opinion is void.

eva02 02-01-2017 03:13 AM
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There are dreamers that graduated top of their class and are Ivy League educated with great jobs. They are the embodiment of the American dream. But according to some dreamers they should have less rights than a LPR who might of acquired it through marriage to some random person. Get out of here. We deserve the same rights as any American because we are american. Immigrants are America.

Without going on a tangent about the quota system of the past and how biased it was to white immigration. It's been very difficult for others to achieve this "legal" way. Y'all just wanna keep sucking up to that white people created hierarchy.

jaylove16 02-01-2017 03:22 AM
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There are limits to Sessions’s influence, however. He has not persuaded Trump — so far, at least — to eliminate the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, under which children brought to the United States illegally are allowed to stay in the country.

Sessions has also been leading the internal push for Trump to nominate William H. Pryor Jr., his deputy when Sessions was Alabama’s attorney general and now a federal appeals court judge, for the Supreme Court. While Pryor is on Trump’s list of three finalists, it is unclear whether he will get the nod.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.2cdbc27afb58

dreamer01100101 02-01-2017 03:31 AM
Re: White House Tries to Course Correct After Messy Travel Restriction Rollout
 
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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 601245)
To the general public immigrants are immigrants. Whether legal or otherwise. Dreamers have the most sympathy because we were brought against our wills as children. We have garnered a lot of support from top universities and companies. Of course we will be used as a bargaining chip.

Your use of semantics and categories is atrocious. Please stop internalizing that illegal BS. No human is illegal.
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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 601266)
There are dreamers that graduated top of their class and are Ivy League educated with great jobs. They are the embodiment of the American dream. But according to some dreamers they should have less rights than a LPR who might of acquired it through marriage to some random person. Get out of here. We deserve the same rights as any American because we are american. Immigrants are America.

Without going on a tangent about the quota system of the past and how biased it was to white immigration. It's been very difficult for others to achieve this "legal" way. Y'all just wanna keep sucking up to that white people created hierarchy.
I am trying to keep this civil. Saying your opinion is void doesn't help whatever argument you make next. We are on the same side so maybe turn it down a notch, because I am trying to understand where you are coming from.

I understand a lot of us are accomplished. I consider myself lucky to have skills that are in high demand and be working for a great tech company. I am perhaps biased because I could pack bags and get a job in Canada or Germany in less than 6 months. However, this is where I grew up, this is where my roots are and I consider this my country, so I am fighting back.

That being said, I think that your rhetoric is detrimental to our cause. After all, we do have less rights than LPRs. Otherwise point out when was the last time you left the country freely without first applying for AP. I also never said we should have less rights than Americans or LPR and I don't believe in creating second class citizens. We can fight for the same right as Americans and LPR but we are not entitled to anything. Otherwise, repealing DACA would be a matter of whether it's constitutional or not vs a relief.

I understand that a lot of emotions are running high. However, just like you call me out on using the word illegal, and rightfully so, I am calling you out to check your rhetoric. If you don't want to take my advice then so be it. Just know that entitlement doesn't sit well with the people you are trying to persuade or anyone for that matter.

jaylove16 02-01-2017 04:39 AM
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Former House speaker Newt Gingrich, an informal adviser to Trump, told the Washington Post he is advising President Trump to keep DACA in place and “avoid a politically treacherous confrontation.”

“Why pick a fight over this group of people who have a lot of emotional stories to tell? It's not realistic. It's not practical,” Gingrich told the newspaper.

http://www.voanews.com/a/trump-exect...o/3701123.html

freshh. 02-01-2017 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ECW (Post 601247)
I saw an article about an hour ago, that said credible administration sources are saying in 4 weeks Trump will likely end DACA and only renewals will be accepted. I can't have the shit now!! damn

So pretty much grandfathering the folks already in the program? Not the best solution, but fairly reasonable in terms of not upending the lives of those of us already enrolled. Also allows him to avoid the bad PR.

Sudo 02-01-2017 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ECW (Post 601247)
I saw an article about an hour ago, that said credible administration sources are saying in 4 weeks Trump will likely end DACA and only renewals will be accepted. I can't have the shit now!! damn
There were also "credible administration sources" that said DACA was going to end on day 1 when trump was ignagurated. Did that happen?

Swim19 02-01-2017 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 601276)
So pretty much grandfathering the folks already in the program? Not the best solution, but fairly reasonable in terms of not upending the lives of those of us already enrolled. Also allows him to avoid the bad PR.
This is a reasonable compromise. I do feel bad for those who are turning 16, but at least they are young and still in school (so it doesn't change their lives drastically at this point). And hopefully in four years we have a pro-immigrant president. Let's wait and see what happens.

JohannBernoulli1667 02-01-2017 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 601282)
This is a reasonable compromise. I do feel bad for those who are turning 16, but at least they are young and still in school (so it doesn't change their lives drastically at this point). And hopefully in four years we have a pro-immigrant president. Let's wait and see what happens.
Also, Bannon might change the requirements for who qualifies for renewal...

jaylove16 02-01-2017 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 601284)
Also, Bannon might change the requirements for who qualifies for renewal...
That defeats the purpose of grandfathering doesn't it? If you already have it , I doubt they will take it from you in such a scenario.

MIdreamer 02-01-2017 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ECW (Post 601247)
I saw an article about an hour ago, that said credible administration sources are saying in 4 weeks Trump will likely end DACA and only renewals will be accepted. I can't have the shit now!! damn
Any source? This make me feel better.

ECW 02-01-2017 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MIdreamer (Post 601297)
Any source? This make me feel better.
There was an article I came cross yesterday, now I can't find it.

freshh. 02-01-2017 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ECW (Post 601298)
There was an article I came cross yesterday, now I can't find it.
If anyone else sees it post it. I've been looking but haven't seen much aside from the articles posted here already.

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-01-2017 12:26 PM
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Yeah I been looking for that but no sources. Staring to think he just saw a clickbait site

freshh. 02-01-2017 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 601303)
Yeah I been looking for that but no sources. Staring to think he just saw a clickbait site
No, I am sure he wouldn't have posted about it if it wasn't from a reputable site.

Sudo 02-01-2017 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 601304)
No, I am sure he wouldn't have posted about it if it wasn't from a reputable site.
Can't find it either. Probably was just an Opinion article.

Got_Daca 02-01-2017 02:59 PM
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No new applicants and current DACA grandfathered is the only way forward.

g33k 02-01-2017 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 601348)
No new applicants and current DACA grandfathered is the only way forward.
Grab your piece of the cake and screw the rest.

Got_Daca 02-01-2017 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by g33k (Post 601349)
Grab your piece of the cake and screw the rest.
Be happy that some are having cake instead of all having nothing.

libertarian1776 02-01-2017 04:26 PM
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with the current political climate we are weathering right now? you gotta eat/hunt to survive, we in the jungle now.... im sorry for the people that won't be included, you have to get yours... you gotta help yourself first before you can help others. It's not about being equal, it's about taking someone's head and using it to feed your family

Take care of your flock before worrying about shit that has no bearing on your life. Focus on the stuff that matters. There are no participation trophies or social justice warriors in nature. If you are weak, you're going to become a meal. Plain and simple. Don't fucking suck.

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-01-2017 04:33 PM
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Trump hasn't even ruled what to do with daca and some of you are already wanting to throw people out the bus?


I am glad you guys aren't deciding daca for us


Edit: driving>deciding

libertarian1776 02-01-2017 04:39 PM
Re: White House Tries to Course Correct After Messy Travel Restriction Rollout
 
some people werent on the bus to begin with... if the bus is going down we gotta make sure to keep that bus and the people (us) in it intact.

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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 601364)
Trump hasn't even ruled what to do with daca and some of you are already wanting to throw people out the bus?


I am glad you guys aren't deciding daca for us


Edit: driving>deciding

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-01-2017 05:20 PM
Re: White House Tries to Course Correct After Messy Travel Restriction Rollout
 
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Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 601365)
some people werent on the bus to begin with... if the bus is going down we gotta make sure to keep that bus and the people (us) in it intact.

Sure but if we can hope for the best then let's hope for the best the best being people who can't apply yet are able to


I just don't see this "I'll decide what's best for daca" mentality comes from. Trump hasn't announce even a clue of what to come to daca and you guys are already assuming what's best for it ?


I am so glad you guys aren't deciding daca for us because I really do think you guys would exclude everyone but yourselves

Got_Daca 02-01-2017 06:29 PM
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I think Trump revealed some clues about DACA already.


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