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pink 02-09-2017 12:25 AM

Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered deported
 
PHOENIX - A Mesa mother who was convicted eight years ago of working here illegally was ordered deported Wednesday, the first public sign in Arizona of President Donald Trump's sweeping executive order on deportation.

Attorney Ray Ybarra Maldonado told a somber crowd outside Phoenix's Immigration and Customs Enforcement headquarters that Guadalupe Garcia de Rayos, 36, had been taken into custody.

An ICE spokeswoman confirmed Wednesday evening that Garcia had been detained.


http://www.12news.com/news/local/val...ther/404420165



Sad thing this woman was doing the right thing after the fact by reporting to and checking in to ICE on an annual basis. I don't want to alarm anybody but Please y'all -----DO NOT TAKE TRUMP AT HIS WORD ON ANYTHING!--- Even though you guys have DACA please thread carefully as if you don't have it, until we have more concrete knowledge on what this mad man decides to do about immigration.

JohannBernoulli1667 02-09-2017 12:36 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pink (Post 602517)
PHOENIX - A Mesa mother who was convicted eight years ago of working here illegally was ordered deported Wednesday, the first public sign in Arizona of President Donald Trump's sweeping executive order on deportation.

Attorney Ray Ybarra Maldonado told a somber crowd outside Phoenix's Immigration and Customs Enforcement headquarters that Guadalupe Garcia de Rayos, 36, had been taken into custody.

An ICE spokeswoman confirmed Wednesday evening that Garcia had been detained.


http://www.12news.com/news/local/val...ther/404420165



Sad thing this woman was doing the right thing after the fact by reporting to and checking in to ICE on an annual basis. I don't want to alarm anybody but Please y'all -----DO NOT TAKE TRUMP AT HIS WORD ON ANYTHING!--- Even though you guys have DACA please thread carefully as if you don't have it, until we have more concrete knowledge on what this mad man decides to do about immigration.

DAMN

You see the uproar???


This is going to be pretty ugly....

As more of these cases start coming out...


This is not going to be good for Trump... There is going to be a massive uproar and protest and obstruction!!!

I am telling you, twitter, facebook live will be our best allies!!! Document all this shit and spread it around!

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-09-2017 12:45 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
"But but but but but Trump and Paul and all of these politicians who don't lie told us not to worry about!!"

UndocumentedPapi 02-09-2017 12:53 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
"I thought daddy trump had a big heart"

JohannBernoulli1667 02-09-2017 01:12 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
She already had an order of deportation and did not have DACA.

They warned that this was coming, it was only a matter of time.

JohannBernoulli1667 02-09-2017 01:26 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
So much for the "No Deportation Force"... This looks like a deportation force to me.

EdoIsa 02-09-2017 01:39 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Wtf I was watching the live feed and it just stopped right after they cleared the road ... sketchy

EDIT: It's back

This is Arizona so I'm not surprised. It sucks though, horrible times ... man wtf :/

libertarian1776 02-09-2017 01:41 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Obama did the same thing lol and had the same deportation force. events like these happened frequently during the Obama administration, it just wasnt covered by the MSM in detail. it's just more in the spotlight today cause of that ahole Trump.

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Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 602540)
So much for the "No Deportation Force"... This looks like a deportation force to me.


Ianus 02-09-2017 01:46 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
After reading through another article, it seems she has been in the country for sometime and was convicted of identity theft. I am not sure about the specifics, but it seems a group filed for her Stay of Removal. I am curious how DHS will respond to the query.

JohannBernoulli1667 02-09-2017 01:51 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ianus (Post 602545)
After reading through another article, it seems she has been in the country for sometime and was convicted of identity theft. I am not sure about the specifics, but it seems a group filed for her Stay of Removal. I am curious how DHS will respond to the query.

Also appears she actually came back for a regular check in with immigration.


She basically turned herself in.

In my opinion, not a good time when Sessions has just been nominated.

JohannBernoulli1667 02-09-2017 02:07 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 602546)
Also appears she actually came back for a regular check in with immigration.


She basically turned herself in.

In my opinion, not a good time when Sessions has just been nominated.

As you said, the outcome of this and other cases will have a huge impact on the direction DHS takes with regards to these cases.

libertarian1776 02-09-2017 02:15 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
same thing here, happened during the obama administration.

An immigration rights activist whose own undocumented status was exposed by a drunken-driving arrest has lost her six-month legal battle to remain in the country.

Wendy Uruchi Contreras, a Virginia organizer for the immigrant rights group CASA, was deported to Spain Tuesday after last-ditch appeals were denied by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.84a119a883ec

CMChump 02-09-2017 02:51 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Most have some type of leniency towards people with clean records, but it gets really hard to advocate for someone that has already been convicted of a crime, and makes it harder in general to make a case for us to stay.

libertarian1776 02-09-2017 02:52 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
true dat, chicago made chump!

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Originally Posted by CMChump (Post 602556)
Most have some type of leniency towards people with clean records, but it gets really hard to advocate for someone that has already been convicted of a crime, and makes it harder in general to make a case for us to stay.


CMChump 02-09-2017 03:02 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 602557)
true dat, chicago made chump!

Cult of personaaalityyy! :lol:

But yeah, I think this is not helping us a bit, best case scenario the "good ones" get to stay, this lady's case destroys our narrative since she has been convicted of a crime so she has to go. You know people are looking at this thinking "these mfs think they can break the law while being ilegal and and demand to stay, wtf?"

EdoIsa 02-09-2017 03:05 AM

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Anyone still watching it live? It got a little bigger and they're on the side of a large street now.

Update: Police arrest 'about 7' at fiery protest over deported Mesa mother

libertarian1776 02-09-2017 03:19 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
true. but i believe DACA people will be fine. this person mentioned on the article isnt a daca recipient i believe. DACA peeps are the best and brightest, sure there are some bad apples but i believe in my core this group will be done right by this country.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CMChump (Post 602559)
Cult of personaaalityyy! :lol:

But yeah, I think this is not helping us a bit, best case scenario the "good ones" get to stay, this lady's case destroys our narrative since she has been convicted of a crime so she has to go. You know people are looking at this thinking "these mfs think they can break the law while being ilegal and and demand to stay, wtf?"


nationalsfan 02-09-2017 05:03 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Yeah, unfortunately it sounds as if this woman was one of the 'bad ones' because of her conviction, even though it was a non-violent offense. Leniency is going to be really hard in these cases in the next 4 years.

JohannBernoulli1667 02-09-2017 08:22 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
I got caught driving without a license 9 years ago, so I am fucked.

I was arrested but never convicted or charged, not even given a fine.

Poland Spring 02-09-2017 09:21 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 602523)
"But but but but but Trump and Paul and all of these politicians who don't lie told us not to worry about!!"

She was convicted with working with someone elses SS, had a removal order and was not a DACA recipient.

Swim19 02-09-2017 10:08 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
I was reading in another article that she was a few months too old to apply for DACA, but with the felony charge she probably wouldn't have qualified.

This was more than likely directly related to change in deportation priorities from the EO.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...ders/97637928/

Poland Spring 02-09-2017 10:19 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 602573)
I was reading in another article that she was a few months too old to apply for DACA, but with the felony charge she probably wouldn't have qualified.

This was more than likely directly related to change in deportation priorities from the EO.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...ders/97637928/

Do you happen to know if she was convicted of Identity Theft or was it just working illegally?

Swim19 02-09-2017 10:22 AM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Poland Spring (Post 602574)
Do you happen to know if she was convicted of Identity Theft or was it just working illegally?

From the article I referenced:

Quote:

In 2008, she was swept up in one of former*Maricopa County Sheriff*Joe Arpaio's work-site raids targeting the Golfland Entertainment Centers, which operated several water and mini-golf parks. Sheriff's deputies seized hundreds of employment records and later arrested Garcia de Rayos*at her house in Mesa. She pleaded guilty to a*charge of criminal impersonation, a Class 6 felony, the lowest level.

APinfo 02-09-2017 10:52 AM

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People arrested at a protest for her. They were trying to block the van they thought was carrying her.

pink 02-09-2017 12:15 PM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Its telling that regardless of what she did under Obama she was not deported, the minute trump took over 8 years later she is ordered removed.

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-09-2017 12:24 PM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pink (Post 602612)
Its telling that regardless of what she did under Obama she was not deported, the minute trump took over 8 years later she is ordered removed.

Exactly - stuff Obama tolerate trump will not tolerate. So if you ever were arrested or have duis or worked illegally (used a fake SSN) and obama said it was fine well guess what. This is trumps America now and he might come after you

Poland Spring 02-09-2017 12:25 PM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 602616)
Exactly - stuff Obama tolerate trump will not tolerate. So if you ever were arrested or have duis or worked illegally (used a fake SSN) and obama said it was fine well guess what. This is trumps America now and he might come after you

She was convicted of identity theft. That's a seirous crime.

chessmaster05 02-09-2017 12:27 PM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 602616)
Exactly - stuff Obama tolerate trump will not tolerate. So if you ever were arrested or have duis or worked illegally (used a fake SSN) and obama said it was fine well guess what. This is trumps America now and he might come after you

There is a difference between impersonating and using a fake ssn. Most of us and our families and thousands of undocumented immigrants have used fake ssn. Even DHS knows this, however, you are still able to AOS. The issue here, is she probably used a fake name to match a SSN, or she used someone's ssn and that someone filed for identity theft. that is different than someone coming up with his/hers "imaginary" number.

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-09-2017 12:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chessmaster05 (Post 602618)
There is a difference between impersonating and using a fake ssn. Most of us and our families and thousands of undocumented immigrants have used fake ssn. Even DHS knows this, however, you are still able to AOS. The issue here, is she probably used a fake name to match a SSN, or she used someone's ssn and that someone filed for identity theft. that is different than someone coming up with his/hers "imaginary" number.



There is a huge difference however this doesn't change the fact than when obama was president she wasn't deported. Now that trump is suddenly now she's a priority to deport. If anything this is giving us an early sign of daca remains alive, it will be done to exclude "bad hombres" and with trumps ambiguity who knows what that means. My point is in the next couple of months we all better behave our best and stay out of trouble as much as possible

Poland Spring 02-09-2017 12:36 PM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 602622)
There is a huge difference however this doesn't change the fact than when obama was president she wasn't deported. Now that trump is suddenly now she's a priority to deport. If anything this is giving us an early sign of daca remains alive, it will be done to exclude "bad hombres" and with trumps ambiguity who knows what that means. My point is in the next couple of months we all better behave our best and stay out of trouble as much as possible

You said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 602616)
Exactly - stuff Obama tolerate trump will not tolerate. So if you ever were arrested or have duis or worked illegally (used a fake SSN) and obama said it was fine well guess what. This is trumps America now and he might come after you

This is what chessmaster05 was referring to. Not that there is a huge difference between when obama was a president and she was not deported.

You said that a fake SSN is a factor of being deported, it is not. The lady in question was deported because of identity theft. We all agree Trump will be not tolerate this kind of stuff. I think everybody here agrees with that.

pink 02-09-2017 02:02 PM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
She was caught doing what a lot of undocumented people have done in their past >>>>working with fake ssn.... vargas himself admitted to doing this as discussed in this thread http://dreamact.info/forum/showthread.php?t=68393 Point of the thread is don't get too comfortable and think things are going to stay the same as they were under Pres Obama. When trump says he is going after hard core criminals, this most likely will not be the case. We all are gonna need to be careful/cautious.

Poland Spring 02-09-2017 02:04 PM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pink (Post 602670)
She was caught doing what a lot of undocumented people have done in their past >>>>working with fake ssn.... vargas himself admitted to doing this as discussed in this thread http://dreamact.info/forum/showthread.php?t=68393 Point of the thread is don't get too comfortable and think things are going to stay the same as they were under Pres Obama. When trump says he is going after hard core criminals, this most likely will not be the case. We all are gonna need to be careful/cautious.

But she used another person's name as well. She impersonated another human being. That is identity theft.

My parents do not do that. They put in a random SSN and use their real names. Then they use the ITIN to pay taxes.

What she did is not what a lot of undocumented people do. Please get that clear through your head.

pink 02-09-2017 02:12 PM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 602543)
Obama did the same thing lol and had the same deportation force. events like these happened frequently during the Obama administration, it just wasnt covered by the MSM in detail. it's just more in the spotlight today cause of that ahole Trump.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poland Spring (Post 602624)
You said:



This is what chessmaster05 was referring to. Not that there is a huge difference between when obama was a president and she was not deported.

You said that a fake SSN is a factor of being deported, it is not. The lady in question was deported because of identity theft. We all agree Trump will be not tolerate this kind of stuff. I think everybody here agrees with that.

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Originally Posted by Poland Spring (Post 602672)
But she used another person's name as well. She impersonated another human being. That is identity theft.

My parents do not do that. They put in a random SSN and use their real names. Then they use the ITIN to pay taxes.

What she did is not what a lot of undocumented people do. Please get that clear through your head.

Ok, my bad for continuing to use the term fake ssn, She was using someone else ssn to work as was vargas. I'm not condoning her actions...I have never worked with anyone's ssn --But I can understand why she might have went that route. My point is that a lot of undocumented people including vargas is guilty of doing the exact same thing. Given the circumstances of undocumented immigrants, officials usually didn't go after them as hard as they would other folks until now.

Make of it what you will but Trump also said he would release his taxes and then gave the middle finger to anyone asking for it after he got into office. folks Heartily defending trump for going after the "undocumented criminals" might find their own asses caught up in the mix. Be careful what you wish for.

Elmexicano 02-09-2017 02:17 PM

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https://twitter.com/julito77/status/829753319988002818
‏@julito77

#GuadalupeGarcia has been deported to Mexico, her lawyer says.

Ianus 02-09-2017 02:28 PM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Elmexicano (Post 602680)
https://twitter.com/julito77/status/829753319988002818
‏@julito77

#GuadalupeGarcia has been deported to Mexico, her lawyer says.

This means they denied her Stay of Removal and had no other legal avenues to stay.

pink 02-09-2017 02:29 PM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Elmexicano (Post 602680)
https://twitter.com/julito77/status/829753319988002818
‏@julito77

#GuadalupeGarcia has been deported to Mexico, her lawyer says.

Damn...that was fast.

pink 02-09-2017 02:33 PM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
not just happening to her...another case here, different circumstances https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...7&id=527710706

Swim19 02-09-2017 03:07 PM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pink (Post 602684)
not just happening to her...another case here, different circumstances https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...7&id=527710706

We'll be reading a lot of similar stories like these over the next 4 years unfortunately.

IamAman 02-10-2017 03:19 PM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Poland Spring (Post 602617)
She was convicted of identity theft. That's a seirous crime.

You say that's a serious crime but she was brought here when she was 14 and didn't have DACA. Let's not pretend you wouldn't do the same type of thing if you didn't have DACA

EdoIsa 02-10-2017 10:20 PM

Re: Mesa mother who was convicted 8 years ago of working here illegally ordered depor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 602984)
You say that's a serious crime but she was brought here when she was 14 and didn't have DACA. Let's not pretend you wouldn't do the same type of thing if you didn't have DACA

Exactly! It's not serious since almost everyone here or their parents have done it.


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