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Elmexicano 02-14-2017 07:12 PM

First arrest of a DREAMer
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN15T307


Quote:

Daniel Ramirez Medina, a 23-year-old with no criminal record, was taken into custody last week at his father's home in Seattle by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers. The officers arrived at the home to arrest the man's father, though court documents did no make clear the reason the father was taken into custody.

Ramirez, now in custody in Tacoma, Washington, was granted temporary permission to live and work legally in the United States under a program called the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, established in 2012 by Democratic President Obama, according to a court filing.

libertarian1776 02-14-2017 07:13 PM

Exclusive: U.S. arrests Mexican immigrant in Seattle covered by Obama program
 
U.S. authorities have arrested an immigrant from Mexico who was brought to the United States illegally as a child and later given a work permit during the Obama administration in what could be the first detention of its kind under President Donald Trump.

Daniel Ramirez Medina, a 23-year-old with no criminal record, was taken into custody last week at his father's home in Seattle by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers. The officers arrived at the home to arrest the man's father, though court documents did no make clear the reason the father was taken into custody.

Ramirez, now in custody in Tacoma, Washington, was granted temporary permission to live and work legally in the United States under a program called the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, established in 2012 by Democratic President Obama, according to a court filing.

please dont panic and have a meltdown. a rare isolated event if ever, he will be released under habeas corpus.

"It doesn't matter, because you weren't born in this country," one of the agents said, according to the lawsuit. this line got me, like wtf? lmao.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN15T307

Elmexicano 02-14-2017 07:13 PM

Re: Exclusive: U.S. arrests Mexican immigrant in Seattle covered by Obama program
 
merge thread

Swim19 02-14-2017 07:19 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Merged.

carnivore 02-14-2017 07:20 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
So it begins.

libertarian1776 02-14-2017 07:23 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
even tho its a mistake, this will be on his record that hes detained... ugh very sad! terrible!

Elmexicano 02-14-2017 07:23 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
I really hope it was a mistake.:sad:

Smooth 02-14-2017 07:24 PM

Re: Exclusive: U.S. arrests Mexican immigrant in Seattle covered by Obama program
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 603577)
U.S. authorities have arrested an immigrant from Mexico who was brought to the United States illegally as a child and later given a work permit during the Obama administration in what could be the first detention of its kind under President Donald Trump.

Daniel Ramirez Medina, a 23-year-old with no criminal record, was taken into custody last week at his father's home in Seattle by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers. The officers arrived at the home to arrest the man's father, though court documents did no make clear the reason the father was taken into custody.

Ramirez, now in custody in Tacoma, Washington, was granted temporary permission to live and work legally in the United States under a program called the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, established in 2012 by Democratic President Obama, according to a court filing.

please dont panic and have a meltdown. a rare isolated event if ever, he will be released under habeas corpus.

"It doesn't matter, because you weren't born in this country," one of the agents said, according to the lawsuit. this line got me, like wtf? lmao.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN15T307

I agree. Keep calm.

Agents will try to fuck you over if you let them plain and simple. HENCE, DO NOT GIVE THEM A REASON TO. Just because you are a dreamer who qualifies or has DACA, that does not mean agents will overlook an immigration-related mistake you do.

JohannBernoulli1667 02-14-2017 07:27 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
so what is the deal now? What is next? will he be released?

ceaguila 02-14-2017 07:27 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
FedcourtJunkie @Reuters ? is if they are attempting to deport him. DACAs were also arrested under Obama sometimes but released if no record via @erikaandiola

libertarian1776 02-14-2017 07:28 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
him and his lawyer filed for habeas corpus, we will see..

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 603585)
so what is the deal now? What is next? will he be released?


Swim19 02-14-2017 07:28 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 603585)
so what is the deal now? What is next? will he be released?

Says a hearing is scheduled for Friday.

2MoreYears 02-14-2017 07:30 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
He needs to sue for a green card, then we dacaers will be untouchable.

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-14-2017 07:30 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
I told you guys before. Just because ICE see our DACAs doesn't mean they're going to simply to released us. These agents are going to give us a lot of pain..even if released he has that in his record.

JohannBernoulli1667 02-14-2017 07:37 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 603590)
I told you guys before. Just because ICE see our DACAs doesn't mean they're going to simply to released us. These agents are going to give us a lot of pain..even if released he has that in his record.

Does having that on your record affect you?

How so?

CMChump 02-14-2017 07:37 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 603589)
He needs to sue for a green card, then we dacaers will be untouchable.

For real, make this a precedent. It's fucking Bullshit man I hope he gets something out of this

JohannBernoulli1667 02-14-2017 07:42 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
I am afraid Trump will come out now saying that DACA is repealed due to this incident. Honestly I feel ICE and Trump/Pro deportation hawks are doing this to pressure Trump into ending the program effectively.

By detaining DACAers they are pressuring the administration to come up with an official statement on DACA.

On the other hand, this could be good assuming that the administration takes a positive position on our side, outlining a specific directive to not go after DACAers and to not arrest.

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-14-2017 07:48 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 603593)
I am afraid Trump will come out now saying that DACA is repealed due to this incident. Honestly I feel ICE and Trump/Pro deportation hawks are doing this to pressure Trump into ending the program effectively.

By detaining DACAers they are pressuring the administration to come up with an official statement on DACA.

On the other hand, this could be good assuming that the administration takes a positive position on our side, outlining a specific directive to not go after DACAers and to not arrest.

If anything this will pressure to act and stop giving us vague answers

Elmexicano 02-14-2017 07:50 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 603593)
I am afraid Trump will come out now saying that DACA is repealed due to this incident. Honestly I feel ICE and Trump/Pro deportation hawks are doing this to pressure Trump into ending the program effectively.

By detaining DACAers they are pressuring the administration to come up with an official statement on DACA.

On the other hand, this could be good assuming that the administration takes a positive position on our side, outlining a specific directive to not go after DACAers and to not arrest.

Or a simple mistake and he gets released. Happened in the obama years


Erika Andiola ‏@ErikaAndiola

@FedcourtJunkie @Reuters ? is if they are attempting to deport him. DACAs were also arrested under Obama sometimes but released if no record

JohannBernoulli1667 02-14-2017 07:51 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 603595)
If anything this will pressure to act and stop giving us vague answers


Honestly,

This might could have been engineered by the Trump administration...


They want to shift focus away from the scandals surrounding Flynn Etc...


They are aware that negative press on other issues is equally as distracting. Stephen Miller and AG might be behind this.


They want someone to sue that has no chance of winning, that way they can declare a victory while at the same time avoiding Trump having to take a public position on the subject.


The outcome of this might be that, They cannot pursue targeted deportation of Dreamers, unless they are encountered by ICE by "accident".

Swim19 02-14-2017 07:57 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 603597)
Honestly,

This might could have been engineered by the Trump administration...


They want to shift focus away from the scandals surrounding Flynn Etc...



They are aware that negative press on other issues is equally as distracting. Stephen Miller and AG might be behind this.


They want someone to sue that has no chance of winning, that way they can declare a victory while at the same time avoiding Trump having to take a public position on the subject.


The outcome of this might be that, They cannot pursue targeted deportation of Dreamers, unless they are encountered by ICE by "accident".

I doubt it. The arrest happened last week (before Flynn resignation).

bigdreamer2010 02-14-2017 07:57 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 603597)
Honestly,

This might could have been engineered by the Trump administration...


They want to shift focus away from the scandals surrounding Flynn Etc...


They are aware that negative press on other issues is equally as distracting. Stephen Miller and AG might be behind this.


They want someone to sue that has no chance of winning, that way they can declare a victory while at the same time avoiding Trump having to take a public position on the subject.


The outcome of this might be that, They cannot pursue targeted deportation of Dreamers, unless they are encountered by ICE by "accident".


It's not though. He was arrested Friday and the Flynn story broke yesterday. But I agree that hopefully this will force Trump to take a public stance on this and kinda speed things up. The uncertainty is what's getting to me...

JohannBernoulli1667 02-14-2017 08:02 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdreamer2010 (Post 603599)
It's not though. He was arrested Friday and the Flynn story broke yesterday. But I agree that hopefully this will force Trump to take a public stance on this and kinda speed things up. The uncertainty is what's getting to me...

I am saying it is possible,

Flynn has been going on for a while, besides, Flynn might not be the reason, there are plenty of other things that the administration is fighting. The ban, ethics issues with endorsements, etc..

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-14-2017 08:06 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Yeah I don't think the two are connect. You're looking too deep into it.


I think someone else here said dreamers had been arrested ICE while obama was in office. Let's just hope trump is pressure to talk more about daca.

JohannBernoulli1667 02-14-2017 08:07 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 603602)
Yeah I don't think the two are connect. You're looking too deep into it.


I think someone else here said dreamers had been arrested ICE while obama was in office. Let's just hope trump is pressure to talk more about daca.

I am with you...

Although I have a bad feeling about what the outcome might be.

DanielPL 02-14-2017 08:07 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Ok now I am worried that I could be next.

JohannBernoulli1667 02-14-2017 08:09 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielPL (Post 603604)
Ok now I am worried that I could be next.

Anything is possible if this person is deported. I would make sure you have a someone you trust access to financials in case the worst happens.

2MoreYears 02-14-2017 08:09 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Not connected. Not a conspiracy.

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-14-2017 08:11 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Most likely he's going to be released. But damn now all of his friends and coworkers know. And I doubt he wanted anyone else to know he has daca. The question remains if his father had any criminal records

Gatsby26 02-14-2017 08:13 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 603597)
Honestly,

This might could have been engineered by the Trump administration...


They want to shift focus away from the scandals surrounding Flynn Etc...


They are aware that negative press on other issues is equally as distracting. Stephen Miller and AG might be behind this.


They want someone to sue that has no chance of winning, that way they can declare a victory while at the same time avoiding Trump having to take a public position on the subject.


The outcome of this might be that, They cannot pursue targeted deportation of Dreamers, unless they are encountered by ICE by "accident".

The way you think is scary but it definitely could be true.

2Face 02-14-2017 08:17 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
They key here that everyone needs to understand is that ICE went after his dad and he happened to be there. These ICE agents aren't exactly the type that follow instructions. They can do whatever they please. Hope the kid can get out of this mess which I'm sure he will. We need a concrete law to pass very soon.

DanielPL 02-14-2017 08:22 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Ever since trump became president I have been worried that me and my family will get deported and I feel like all this stress is killing me. I have no criminal record and my parents don't I don't know what to do anymore my life is hopeless now. I want to stay in this country and it's not fair that trump wants to take this away from me. What should I do is ICE knocks on my door.

bigdreamer2010 02-14-2017 08:22 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 603609)
They key here that everyone needs to understand is that ICE went after his dad and he happened to be there. These ICE agents aren't exactly the type that follow instructions. They can do whatever they please. Hope the kid can get out of this mess which I'm sure he will. We need a concrete law to pass very soon.

The next question is that did they use the information he provided to find his dad?

2Face 02-14-2017 08:24 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdreamer2010 (Post 603611)
The next question is that did they use the information he provided to find his dad?

I really think its unclear but most likely his dad must have had some sort of record or removal orders. What you're saying is unlikely otherwise there would have been more than just this case. There's tons of DACA beneficiaries out there.

Swim19 02-14-2017 08:25 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdreamer2010 (Post 603611)
The next question is that did they use the information he provided to find his dad?

We didn't give any info about our parents for DACA. Unless you currently live with your parents or your parents still live at an address you wrote on your application.

bigdreamer2010 02-14-2017 08:25 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 603612)
I really think its unclear but most likely his dad must have had some sort of record or removal orders. What you're saying is unlikely otherwise there would have been more than just this case. There's tons of DACA beneficiaries out there.

I think you're right.

bigdreamer2010 02-14-2017 08:27 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 603613)
We didn't give any info about our parents for DACA. Unless you currently live with your parents or your parents still live at an address you wrote on your application.

Yes I'm sorry. You're right. I was thinking of another form.

2Face 02-14-2017 08:35 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 603613)
We didn't give any info about our parents for DACA. Unless you currently live with your parents or your parents still live at an address you wrote on your application.

This is actually very true lol. I can't believe I myself was falling for this particular fear mongering that they will use DACA information to come after parents. But even if the address is the same, I still don't see the connection they can make to our parents?

libertarian1776 02-14-2017 08:42 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
dont open the door. excercise your 4th and 5th amendment rights.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielPL (Post 603610)
Ever since trump became president I have been worried that me and my family will get deported and I feel like all this stress is killing me. I have no criminal record and my parents don't I don't know what to do anymore my life is hopeless now. I want to stay in this country and it's not fair that trump wants to take this away from me. What should I do is ICE knocks on my door.


DanielPL 02-14-2017 08:44 PM

Re: First arrest of a DREAMer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 603621)
dont open the door. excercise your 4th and 5th amendment rights.

But what if they have a warrant. They could even knock my door down.


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