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Swim19 02-16-2017 08:50 PM
US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Daniel no longer has DACA:

Quote:
The US government has terminated a detained undocumented immigrant’s “dreamer” status, alleging that he is a gang member in part because of a tattoo on his arm that says “peace” in Spanish.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...P=share_btn_tw

Gnome 02-16-2017 08:56 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
As others on the forum have noted, this happened even during Obama's presidency – it is by definition that you could lose DACA if you commit a crime. This, and anything deportation-related, just gets a lot more press now with Trump in power.

andreagb 02-16-2017 09:02 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
So his tattoo says La Paz B.C.S. ? (Baja California Sur) wth is that gang related ?

JohannBernoulli1667 02-16-2017 09:10 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnome (Post 604467)
As others on the forum have noted, this happened even during Obama's presidency – it is by definition that you could lose DACA if you commit a crime. This, and anything deportation-related, just gets a lot more press now with Trump in power.

Agree! Harsh, but the reality is that Daniel is not a dreamer.

Dreamers pursue education, or build businesses and pursue the American dream.

It sounds harsh but DACA should have at the very minimum a requirement of some education beyond high school, whether this is trade school, community college or Trump University is irrelevant.

As much as I want to sympathize with Daniel. He does not represent us.

I know it sounds harsh, but the dreamer movement is not about becoming a regular member of society. Dreamers do not cross their arms and conform, they do not act like gangsters, we do not do drugs or drive under the influence.


That is not why we ask for relief from deportation. We ask for relief because we want to make a difference.

We want to be business owners, educators, doctors, scientists, engineers etc...

We shoot to work at the top of our game, we work overtime to be able to afford tuition.



Sometimes I feel we all forget about our purpose, the dream.


Yesterday I had a real good conversation with many of my fellow engineer dreamers, great people, different views.

Daniel deserves to be deported. It was made very clear from the beginning that there would be no tolerance. The election was lost. There are consequences.


I will not defend that guy. I feel bad for him, his family failed him, his community failed him. At the end of the day he made decisions that led him to be stripped from his DACA.

Do I feel that ICE violated his rights of privacy etc... sure but it is not an excuse.


With that said, Donald Trump today acknowledged him during the press conference. I am glad he was bold enough to say, the great majority of dreamers are good people.

There are exceptions and he is right.

I am not a Trump supporter but I agree with his statement.

libertarian1776 02-16-2017 09:14 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
good! this guy is no dreamer, he denied being in a gang cause ge got caught. no sympathies... bye bye!

KansasCityChiefs 02-16-2017 09:18 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andreagb (Post 604472)
So his tattoo says La Paz B.C.S. ? (Baja California Sur) wth is that gang related ?
As a retired LEO that frequently worked the gang unit in so cali, 'BCS' stands for baja california sureno (not sur) which indicates a member of the sureno (stands for 'southerner') gangs and is an affiliate of the mm (mexican mafia).

andreagb 02-16-2017 09:25 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KansasCityChiefs (Post 604478)
As a retired LEO that frequently worked the gang unit in so cali, 'BCS' stands for baja california sureno (not sur) which indicates a member of the sureno (stands for 'southerner') gangs and is an affiliate of the mm (mexican mafia).
Ah I see, thanks!

Gnome 02-16-2017 09:34 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Another thing to keep in mind that even Permanent Residence (Green Card) can be lost if you commit a crime, so it's not whatsoever surprising that you could lose DACA in the same way.

I could see news articles being published about criminals who have lost their Green Card (the status conferred by it), and blaming it on Trump. Newsworthy because of his controversial comments in the past, but none of it is out of the ordinary.

g33k 02-16-2017 09:47 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 604464)
It still doesn't make any sense. La paz, BCS is a place. How is that gang related? Its like having a tattoo that says Los Angeles, California.

JohannBernoulli1667 02-16-2017 09:48 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KansasCityChiefs (Post 604478)
As a retired LEO that frequently worked the gang unit in so cali, 'BCS' stands for baja california sureno (not sur) which indicates a member of the sureno (stands for 'southerner') gangs and is an affiliate of the mm (mexican mafia).
Ban this guy, he is a chiefs fan!


Go Broncos!


:lol:

a.martin3z 02-16-2017 09:57 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Read this on the Washington Times.

"But gang members aren’t eligible for the program, and the government says Mr. Ramirez not only had a gang tattoo, but said he used to “hang out” with the Sureno gang in California, fled that state to get away from gangs, and but still “hangs out” with the Paizas gang in Washington.

The government said his approval under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, policy has been revoked and he is now in deportation proceedings."

Scottish Bolt Cutters 02-16-2017 10:01 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
While I sympathize with him, having those those kind of tattoos is tricky business.

If he really was a gang member, then what the fuck. Then he really did deserve it.

JohannBernoulli1667 02-16-2017 10:01 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by a.martin3z (Post 604490)
Read this on the Washington Times.

"But gang members aren’t eligible for the program, and the government says Mr. Ramirez not only had a gang tattoo, but said he used to “hang out” with the Sureno gang in California, fled that state to get away from gangs, and but still “hangs out” with the Paizas gang in Washington.

The government said his approval under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, policy has been revoked and he is now in deportation proceedings."
Consistent with DACA policy.

I am more interested in the outcome of the other dreamer that got caught with drugs.

complicatedc33 02-16-2017 10:03 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 604475)
Agree! Harsh, but the reality is that Daniel is not a dreamer.

Dreamers pursue education, or build businesses and pursue the American dream.

It sounds harsh but DACA should have at the very minimum a requirement of some education beyond high school, whether this is trade school, community college or Trump University is irrelevant.

As much as I want to sympathize with Daniel. He does not represent us.

I know it sounds harsh, but the dreamer movement is not about becoming a regular member of society. Dreamers do not cross their arms and conform, they do not act like gangsters, we do not do drugs or drive under the influence.


That is not why we ask for relief from deportation. We ask for relief because we want to make a difference.

We want to be business owners, educators, doctors, scientists, engineers etc...

We shoot to work at the top of our game, we work overtime to be able to afford tuition.



Sometimes I feel we all forget about our purpose, the dream.


Yesterday I had a real good conversation with many of my fellow engineer dreamers, great people, different views.

Daniel deserves to be deported. It was made very clear from the beginning that there would be no tolerance. The election was lost. There are consequences.


I will not defend that guy. I feel bad for him, his family failed him, his community failed him. At the end of the day he made decisions that led him to be stripped from his DACA.

Do I feel that ICE violated his rights of privacy etc... sure but it is not an excuse.


With that said, Donald Trump today acknowledged him during the press conference. I am glad he was bold enough to say, the great majority of dreamers are good people.

There are exceptions and he is right.

I am not a Trump supporter but I agree with his statement.
But, didn't you once say that not all dreamers can apply for college? That they are not even allowed to enroll? .........Lets not get carried away on what ICE said about this young man. If he was hanging out with the wrong crowd then so be it. There is no need to throw stones at him. It's already hard enough for him as it is. He has a child by the way. No need to bash him. He lost DACA over a tattoo, and prying of these ICE men.

dreamer12345 02-16-2017 10:09 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Guilty by association I see. What a fuking embarrassment this administration is.

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-16-2017 10:12 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamer12345 (Post 604501)
Guilty by association I see. What a fuking embarrassment this administration is.
I don't know but why would get a tattoo and hang with these people in the first place?

complicatedc33 02-16-2017 10:14 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamer12345 (Post 604501)
Guilty by association I see. What a fuking embarrassment this administration is.
It's racial profiling at it's finest that's for sure. Next thing you know someone might be suspected of street racing for driving a sports car. I wish this guy luck, and I hope things turn out another way. Losing DACA is already as bad as it gets.

JohannBernoulli1667 02-16-2017 10:17 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by complicatedc33 (Post 604496)
But, didn't you once say that not all dreamers can apply for college? That they are not even allowed to enroll? .........Lets not get carried away on what ICE said about this young man. If he was hanging out with the wrong crowd then so be it. There is no need to throw stones at him. It's already hard enough for him as it is. He has a child by the way. No need to bash him. He lost DACA over a tattoo, and prying of these ICE men.
I said I felt bad for him but I cannot defend his actions.

Sure, it does not have to be a full blown college degree. I am aware some states have tough restrictions. I also know moving is not easy.

There are many online degrees that make it possible to get degrees across state lines. That could be an option.

Swim19 02-16-2017 10:19 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Lawyer, Laurel Scott had this interpretation:

Quote:
One of the signed Executive Orders is "Enforcing Federal Law with Respect to Transnational Criminal Organizations and Preventing International Trafficking". Upon reading it, I expressed concern that Section 3f of the EO implied that the government would expand its use of INA 212(a)(3)(A)(ii), a controversial section of law that the government had been using to keep out alleged gang members based on very little evidence, such as a suspicious tattoo. Attorneys have already over the past several years charged that the way the section of law was being interpreted had too much potential for "false positives" - someone believed to be in a gang who actually wasn't - and indeed false positives were already happening. Sadly, the article below suggests that my suspicions were correct.
I don't know if he is or isn't in a gang, but it's clear the government doesn't need a lot of evidence to take away immigration benefits based on the EO.

Got_Daca 02-16-2017 10:22 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
At least, he is gonna be with his father. Now family separation here.

JohannBernoulli1667 02-16-2017 10:22 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 604507)
Lawyer, Laurel Scott had this interpretation:



I don't know if he is or isn't in a gang, but it's clear the government doesn't need a lot of evidence to strip someone of DACA based on the EO.
Laurel Scott is indeed one of the finest!

MalditoDuende 02-16-2017 10:24 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 604475)
Agree! Harsh, but the reality is that Daniel is not a dreamer.

Dreamers pursue education, or build businesses and pursue the American dream.

It sounds harsh but DACA should have at the very minimum a requirement of some education beyond high school, whether this is trade school, community college or Trump University is irrelevant.

As much as I want to sympathize with Daniel. He does not represent us.

I know it sounds harsh, but the dreamer movement is not about becoming a regular member of society. Dreamers do not cross their arms and conform, they do not act like gangsters, we do not do drugs or drive under the influence.


That is not why we ask for relief from deportation. We ask for relief because we want to make a difference.

We want to be business owners, educators, doctors, scientists, engineers etc...

We shoot to work at the top of our game, we work overtime to be able to afford tuition.



Sometimes I feel we all forget about our purpose, the dream.


Yesterday I had a real good conversation with many of my fellow engineer dreamers, great people, different views.

Daniel deserves to be deported. It was made very clear from the beginning that there would be no tolerance. The election was lost. There are consequences.


I will not defend that guy. I feel bad for him, his family failed him, his community failed him. At the end of the day he made decisions that led him to be stripped from his DACA.

Do I feel that ICE violated his rights of privacy etc... sure but it is not an excuse.


With that said, Donald Trump today acknowledged him during the press conference. I am glad he was bold enough to say, the great majority of dreamers are good people.

There are exceptions and he is right.

I am not a Trump supporter but I agree with his statement.

It's depressing how quick some dreamers here are willing to throw other immigrants under the bus.

CMChump 02-16-2017 10:38 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 604475)
Agree! Harsh, but the reality is that Daniel is not a dreamer.

Dreamers pursue education, or build businesses and pursue the American dream.

It sounds harsh but DACA should have at the very minimum a requirement of some education beyond high school, whether this is trade school, community college or Trump University is irrelevant.

As much as I want to sympathize with Daniel. He does not represent us.

I know it sounds harsh, but the dreamer movement is not about becoming a regular member of society. Dreamers do not cross their arms and conform, they do not act like gangsters, we do not do drugs or drive under the influence.


That is not why we ask for relief from deportation. We ask for relief because we want to make a difference.

We want to be business owners, educators, doctors, scientists, engineers etc...

We shoot to work at the top of our game, we work overtime to be able to afford tuition.



Sometimes I feel we all forget about our purpose, the dream.


Yesterday I had a real good conversation with many of my fellow engineer dreamers, great people, different views.

Daniel deserves to be deported. It was made very clear from the beginning that there would be no tolerance. The election was lost. There are consequences.


I will not defend that guy. I feel bad for him, his family failed him, his community failed him. At the end of the day he made decisions that led him to be stripped from his DACA.

Do I feel that ICE violated his rights of privacy etc... sure but it is not an excuse.


With that said, Donald Trump today acknowledged him during the press conference. I am glad he was bold enough to say, the great majority of dreamers are good people.

There are exceptions and he is right.

I am not a Trump supporter but I agree with his statement.
Do you feel like you deserve DACA more then a person that just got basic education like High School since you are an engineer?

acar7 02-16-2017 10:41 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 604475)
Agree! Harsh, but the reality is that Daniel is not a dreamer.

Dreamers pursue education, or build businesses and pursue the American dream.

It sounds harsh but DACA should have at the very minimum a requirement of some education beyond high school, whether this is trade school, community college or Trump University is irrelevant.

As much as I want to sympathize with Daniel. He does not represent us.

I know it sounds harsh, but the dreamer movement is not about becoming a regular member of society. Dreamers do not cross their arms and conform, they do not act like gangsters, we do not do drugs or drive under the influence.


That is not why we ask for relief from deportation. We ask for relief because we want to make a difference.

We want to be business owners, educators, doctors, scientists, engineers etc...

We shoot to work at the top of our game, we work overtime to be able to afford tuition.



Sometimes I feel we all forget about our purpose, the dream.


Yesterday I had a real good conversation with many of my fellow engineer dreamers, great people, different views.

Daniel deserves to be deported. It was made very clear from the beginning that there would be no tolerance. The election was lost. There are consequences.


I will not defend that guy. I feel bad for him, his family failed him, his community failed him. At the end of the day he made decisions that led him to be stripped from his DACA.

Do I feel that ICE violated his rights of privacy etc... sure but it is not an excuse.


With that said, Donald Trump today acknowledged him during the press conference. I am glad he was bold enough to say, the great majority of dreamers are good people.

There are exceptions and he is right.

I am not a Trump supporter but I agree with his statement.
:roll::roll:

Get off your high horse already.

dreamer12345 02-16-2017 10:45 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 604502)
I don't know but why would get a tattoo and hang with these people in the first place?
What do I care, it's a free country (at least until last year), people are welcome to do dumb shit all they want as long as it doesn't infringe on others. And no, being offended by a tattoo is not being transgressed upon. The burden of criminal proof is on the state.

Got_Daca 02-16-2017 10:45 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Original Dream Act stipulated 2 years college/military. If you cant do any of that, sorry you are not a Dreamer.

dreamer12345 02-16-2017 10:46 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MalditoDuende (Post 604510)
It's depressing how quick some dreamers here are willing to throw other immigrants under the bus.
It's what fear does, turns people against those 'unlike me'. It's how we're in this sad state of affairs in the 1st place.

acar7 02-16-2017 10:57 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 604523)
Original Dream Act stipulated 2 years college/military. If you cant do any of that, sorry you are not a Dreamer.
Why?

You know some people couldn't go to college straight outta high school, right? Like they actually had to support their families and didn't have the time or the money for college.

Please don't judge, its not right

Gnome 02-16-2017 10:58 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 604523)
Original Dream Act stipulated 2 years college/military. If you cant do any of that, sorry you are not a Dreamer.
True ^

I will admit to being surprised seeing the requirement of only HS education for DACA when it was first announced. Surprised only because the DREAM Act required 2-years of college/military at the very least.

But, now, if you're covered by DACA, you should be covered for any future permanent legalization.

Got_Daca 02-16-2017 11:04 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by acar7 (Post 604531)
Why?

You know some people couldn't go to college straight outta high school, right? Like they actually had to support their families and didn't have the time or the money for college.

Please don't judge, its not right
I couldn't go to college for some time as well.

But nowadays anyone can at least sign up for couple of classes at a comm. college.

There is no excuse.

If you can't do that and instead choose to hang out with gangbangers, sorry you're not a Dreamer. Should have thought of college instead of wasting your time with wankstas.

complicatedc33 02-16-2017 11:06 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by acar7 (Post 604531)
Why?

You know some people couldn't go to college straight outta high school, right? Like they actually had to support their families and didn't have the time or the money for college.

Please don't judge, its not right
I agree, those dreamers that come from broken families, and impoverished can feel bad if they see these comments. Some people are lucky to grow up with a parent or two. Poverty is real though in most households where there is no work authorization. Thanks for sharing

Got_Daca 02-16-2017 11:11 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
I am not even from a broken family. I didn't have a family. Yet I presevered and graduated from college.

What is this Daniel guy's excuse to choose to hang out with gangbangers?

APinfo 02-16-2017 11:23 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Forget all of you throwing stones at this guy. Touting college degrees like they really mean anything about you as a person
. Not everybody has the same opportunities, regardless how hard you think you had it. You all turned into the same people that you supposedly hate that talk shit on you for being DACA holders. And for those that care, the dream act never passed, so why try to pin that on him?

Bunch of hypocrites.

jrpallares 02-16-2017 11:25 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by complicatedc33 (Post 604537)
I agree, those dreamers that come from broken families, and impoverished can feel bad if they see these comments. Some people are lucky to grow up with a parent or two. Poverty is real though in most households where there is no work authorization. Thanks for sharing
There are plenty of people from broken homes that did not end up in gangs. Y'all are focusing on the wrong thing.

You guys seriously think its cool to allow immigrants to stay that are involved with gangs and violence? What are they contributing?

If this was a case of discrimination, then by all means we should back him up. Question is, why associate yourself with gang members? Cmon now. You are the average of your five closest friends.

complicatedc33 02-16-2017 11:37 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrpallares (Post 604543)
There are plenty of people from broken homes that did not end up in gangs. Y'all are focusing on the wrong thing.

You guys seriously think its cool to allow immigrants to stay that are involved with gangs and violence? What are they contributing?

If this was a case of discrimination, then by all means we should back him up. Question is, why associate yourself with gang members? Cmon now. You are the average of your five closest friends.
A tattoo is the only proof so far. I'm not preaching for him to stay or anything like that. I just don't think it's necessary to throw stones. He has no daca anymore. What else could be said? It's done no need to bash him. I'm not praising him.

JohannBernoulli1667 02-16-2017 11:39 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MalditoDuende (Post 604510)
It's depressing how quick some dreamers here are willing to throw other immigrants under the bus.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CMChump (Post 604516)
Do you feel like you deserve DACA more then a person that just got basic education like High School since you are an engineer?
Quote:
Originally Posted by acar7 (Post 604519)
:roll::roll:

Get off your high horse already.


No one is saying such things. I am saying that we all have a responsibility to achieve.

Dream Act from the beginning has been about education, about becoming contributors of society. Not about getting some tattoos and hanging out with gang members.


I am not throwing anyone under the bus, I am only suggesting people should not forget about pushing forward.


The guy fucked up, I wish him the best but has no legal standing. People should not waste political capital on trying to free him. It is useless and counterproductive to the cause.

APinfo 02-16-2017 11:45 PM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KansasCityChiefs (Post 604546)
there are many people who came from nothing, no house, no parents, and they did not end up in a gang or associated with gangs.
It's not even about that. It's about how easy they turn on others. It happens time and time again. 2 weeks ago these same people were paranoid and hysterical over what may happen. When this dude gets arrested they went into panic attacks over it. Now they are all about "screw that guy!" if he's guilty, he's guilty. My problem is with them and how quickly they turn.

Got_Daca 02-17-2017 12:04 AM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
How quickly did this guy Daniel cozied up with gangbangers in Seattle. That is the question.

Elmexicano 02-17-2017 12:30 AM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
His case is getting crazy

http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2017...ng-affiliation


Quote:
The brief states Ramirez Medina originally wrote: “I came in and the officers said I have gang affiliation with gangs so I wear an orange uniform. I do not have a criminal history and I’m not affiliated with any gangs.”

But according to an additional declaration filed to the court, the statement returned to Medina by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officials five days later says: "I have gang affiliation with gangs so I wear an orange uniform. I do not have a criminal history and I’m not affiliated with any gangs.”

The document filed to the court bears clear signs of erased words.

beingoflight 02-17-2017 01:07 AM
Re: US immigrant stripped of 'dreamer' status in part over alleged gang tattoo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 604523)
Original Dream Act stipulated 2 years college/military. If you cant do any of that, sorry you are not a Dreamer.
WTF??

You and the other guy are beyond ignorant.

College does not guarantee you a future, just like grades dont define intelligence, i killed myself a lot in order to not to be another idiot with a college debt, something that can be done and not many have the balls to do.

If college becomes a requirement that is going to be beyond messed up.


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