Dhs set to make it easier to deport undocumented immigrants
 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...mmigrants.html


The Department of Homeland Security has drafted up new orders that would expand the number of immigrants who could be quickly detained and deported both inside the United States and at the border. Secretary John Kelly signed a series of memos that were distributed among agency chiefs on Friday and would, among other things, expand by hundreds of thousands the number of immigrants who could be subject to expedited removal from the country. The memos also note that additional enforcement agents would be hired and local law enforcement would be enlisted to help make arrests.

The White House insists the memos are not final and the administration will make changes, but they demonstrate how Homeland Security is looking to put into practice President Donald Trump’s newly aggressive immigration policies. And, at the very least, they provide a broad look at what the first steps in the long-expected immigration crackdown could be.

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In essence, the new memos amount to a stark rewriting of the way the country’s immigration laws are enforced and would “supersede nearly all of those issued under previous administrations … including measures from President Barack Obama aimed at focusing deportations exclusively on hardened criminals and those with terrorist ties,” notes the Washington Post. One thing the memos don’t include? Any talk of using National Guard troops to arrest immigrants that had been part of a draft document that was leaked on Friday. (Officials say Kelly never approved that plan.)

The most significant moves outlined in the memos include:

Authorizing expedited deportation proceedings for any undocumented immigrants who have been in the country for less than two years. The procedure is currently limited to those who have been in the United States for less than two weeks.

Unaccompanied minors who arrive in the United States would no longer be protected from deportation, and their parents could face prosecution if they paid traffickers to smuggle their children across the border.

The bar will be raised on the initial screening of asylum seekers, giving officers more leeway to narrowly interpret whether the applicant has “credible fear” of persecution if returned home.

Immigrants who are caught crossing the border from Mexico will be immediately sent back to the country while their deportation hearings are pending. That means non-Mexican asylum seekers could be sent to Mexico to wait for their hearings.

For now, the memos leave in place President Obama’s protection of the so-called “dreamers,” who arrived to the United States as children. But that doesn’t seem final, considering that one memo explicitly says there is no protected class of immigrants.

The definition of who is considered a criminal for deportation purposes would be expanded to not only those who have actually been convicted of a crime, but also to those who have been (or could be) charged.

Money used to advocate on behalf of undocumented immigrants would go toward setting up the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) Office.
Agency chiefs are to begin hiring 10,000 additional ICE agents and 5,000 more members of the Border Patrol.
The Department of Homeland Security is not commenting on the documents but did not dispute that they are authentic.

Re: Dhs set to make it easier to deport undocumented immigrants
 

The memo seems to contradict itself :/

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You guys are overthinking this...

The memo EXPLICITLY says excluding DACA and DAPA.

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That means if you fuck up on DACA, then you're out like all undocs.

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but what does unaccompanied minors even mean?

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Great.

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A couple of years ago, once DACA was enacted and there was talk of expanding it, word got out to Latin America (and Mexico) that they were giving away free candy here for kids and all they had to do was come here and ask for "permiso" and they would get legal status or something.

So all these great parents in Latin America started coming to the border and tossing their kids across the border and telling them to get their "permiso" to stay here.

So the result was that thousands of unaccompanied kids were put in detention centers awaiting a hearing and those who were against immigration reform had a field day to make their case that DACA was a mistake and it encouraged new illegals to come here.

At the time, I thought they were screwing us over by sending their kids here and many on here were getting on my case about how those kids had the same right to be here as I did which was weird considering I had been here for decades and never got in on any of these "permisos" so make up your own mind about it. In my opinion, those kids screwed us.

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eDACA of 2014 are protected?

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Not true. The spike occurred before DACA was announced.
Read: DACA Definitely Did Not Cause the Child Migrant Crisis

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The problem is now people think this happen because of daca

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I do not think that it directly caused it, but I do believe that it played a role in having all those kids come. Yes, the dates do not match up, but I think that the parents of those children wanted to send them and hope that something could be resolved for them, knowing that Obama just helped the Dreamers out.

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The quoted link LITERALLY proves that DACA had no role in unaccompanied minor surge. But you're still insisting on it did play a role. Wow.

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Are you still mad that I, along with another user, pointed out that you were spreading false information in one of the threads, which is why you are replying to this to get back at me? And I was not insisting, that would have required for me to continuously post about it, which I have not since I have posted once on this topic.

Yea, and go look at the one that politico put out, and you will see that they agree with me. It is not the main reason, but it is still a very small reason. I am sure it made it an easier decision for parents that were 50/50, on sending their kids here, to say, "well let us give it a shot and hope that the president creates something for him/her to stay." 95% of the reason for the parents sending them here was due to their financial situation, bad living conditions and bad country etc., while less than 5% of the reason involved hoping that an executive order would be made for these children.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...reated-crisis/

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I know it did have an effect on the 2013 gang of eight immigration bill.

DACA did play a part, but not that directly. Under the 'deporter in Chief' , if you were an minor, they would process you and send you on to a person in the country illegally. The kid would get a court date for two years in the future.

In the mean time, they could stay, go to school and receive health care. I could take six years for the asylum case to be denied. By then , they are part of the community.

There was a 'permiso', in that asylum cases took so long. The change now is that the guardian must be in the US legally. If they were in the US legally then they would have had a lot more options.

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Kind of true. Perception becomes reality and they were in fact being used as the reason why DACA was a mistake by anti-immigrant people.

Even if you look at it objectively, Permiso Kids (tm) continued to come after DACA and surpassed pre-DACA levels and shot up even more so in 2014 when there was talk of eDACA and DAPA. Would that have happened if there was no DACA? I doubt it. It's human nature to see something and want to get in on it before it goes away, even if it might ruin it for those it was intended to help in the first place.

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We can't blame those people for wanting a better life for their children. It's the reason we are here too.

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I've been following this closely in the news.

The Department of Homeland Security clearly does not give a fuck about human decency in the least bit. While I can understand some of the regulations and new rules they are calling for, the majority are going to have detrimental effects within communities as well as the economy in general.

Some articles are saying the new immigration guidelines easily target around 8 million undocumented immigrants. You can't just deport 8 mil undocumented immigrants and not replace them immediately when it comes to the economy.

That would trigger a massive negative chain reaction through the entire country, and i'm really at a loss as to how the administration doesn't realize this.

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What's funny about this is that Trump is using the economy for the most part as leverage to say that illegal immigration is having devastating effects, even though Obama left it in pretty good shape for him.

Trump claims to have inherited a mess, even though it was really Obama who hopped on the Titanic as it was sinking and prevented another fucking Great Depression.

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I understand your frustrations but don't listen to the news. They are over exaggerating.

It does not matter what the position is about deportations. It is simply not feasible to deport more than a couple hundred thousand people even with the current guidelines.

The ineptitude of government works against them.

My prediction is that they will at most be able to deport no more than 20% more folks than Obama.

Assuming Congress remains gridlocked and no significant funding gets increased.

On top of that, a lot of the funding would go to the genius idea of the wall.

In fact, the wall focus will deter funds for interior enforcement.

Will many innocent people get now caught as supposed to just convicted criminals, yes. But we must remain weary of the fear mongering from the media and the far left organization.

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I won't scapegoat children escaping poverty and violence. All of us came or stayed here because it was better for our lives. Blaming refugees is out of line.

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What are you talking about?

It's not feasible to do a lot of things, yet his administration is still clearly trying to do them. If it wasn't for the Judicial branch, we'd have that retarded immigration ban in place.

There's not going to be a wall. From a strategic standpoint, a wall works against specific requests from CBP agents, who are the ones who actually watch the damn border in the first place. They'll never agree on anything, at least not in the next 4 years.

And there's no fear mongering from the media, these are memos that have already been discussed by DHS, not some made up shit by any news reporting body.

You're making the mistake of underestimating how erratic this administration is willing to act without thinking two or three steps ahead.

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I am not saying it is not real. I am simply saying it is not feasible with the current budget or the current human resources.

During their best week they managed to deport 600 people in one week.

At that rate, they can't deport more than Obama.

The longer they go the harder it gets to find the people they look for.

The judicial system will add to their grievances as you mentioned.

This is not a police state yet*

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All Trump wants is theater, not actual deporting of dreamers, so don't panic.


I agree with you on a lot of points, but the number of people deported or removed is off. Most deportations do not make the news, like they just did. Obama in 2013 was averaging about 8.5K removals a week in 2013, and was down to about 4K a week last year. Removals include people turned away at the border and deported.

Trump can ramp up his numbers, but it would not be Dreamers, it would be people arriving now and claiming asylum ( who would be removed at the border ) . People who have felonies that are using asylum to stay. People with felonies that Obama chose not to deport. That is the low hanging fruit, not dreamers.

Some of his other stuff like adding 10,000 new agents in the next two years is impossible. It will take years to hire, vet and train that many people and even with a budget. Building the wall is stupid and the CBP does not want a wall because they cannot see the other side.

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Yea, it will be very hard to get rid of all illegal immigrants. The only way that he could get everyone to leave is if they make E-verify mandatory in every state and harshly punish those that do hire illegal immigrants. Then I think that people would self-deport themselves.

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The only reason they haven't done that is because they are aware of the devastating impact that would have in the economy.

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That is right. I am just saying that if they really wanted to get rid of everyone, they could do it.