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jaylove16 04-19-2017 05:10 AM

DACA recipient deported as DHS disputes status
 
Montes' defense claims that he was provided no explanation for his removal. He had lived in the U.S. since he was nine years old and his attorneys reported that he received a renewal of his DACA status and work authorization in 2016 which was not set to expire until 2018. DHS claims that Montes' DACA status expired in 2015 and that their records do not show that he was issued a renewal.

https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.g...Fid%3D46875886

There is definitely more to this story than meets the eye. Let's not panic or jump to conclusions yet. Apparently Durbin is involved and I'm sure the truth will come out.

What I have indeed noticed is that the media and these pro immigration groups are quick to blow things out of proportion . Would I be surprised if this guy somehow forgot to renew in 2015? No !

Quote:

I'm disturbed about reports that a Dreamer with DACA protection has been deported," the Senate's No. 2 Democrat Dick Durbin said in a statement. "I've contacted DHS to demand an explanation. Just last month Secretary Kelly promised me that no one with DACA would lose this protection unless they violated the terms of DACA. I intend to hold him to this commitment."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ion/index.html

Got_Daca 04-19-2017 08:40 AM

Re: DACA recipient deported as DHS disputes status
 
He most likely let his DACA expire.

Laterlater 04-19-2017 10:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 611737)
He most likely let his DACA expire.

Nah, it was current, renewed and set to expire at 2018.

The article referenced by OP does not contain the full context of said story - i.e. why he was initially deported, not his subsequent illegal re-entry attempt. Herein lies the issue.

He was initially stopped and picked up from the streets (visa vie stop-and-Fisk style) by a boarder patrol agent, upon which occasion he was not carrying his ID, and deported without the opportunity to see a immigration judge, legal counsel, or to even prove his DACA status.

They simply wanted to deport him. No explanation given. His attorneys have resorted to filing a lawsuit under the Freedom of Information Act to even pry any information out of the DHS in connection to his sudden removal.

But what is most interesting, at any rate to myself, is going to be the reaction of folks on this forum. People are curious - in a tragic-comic sort of way. They have a propensity to believe "bad" things only happen to "bad" people, and are ready to embrace any narrative that will confirm this conviction. Its basic just world fallacy. They would rather victim blame than to admit how precarious or gratuitous their own situation has deteriorated under this new administration.

We forget, under Obama, that DHS directives required agents to release undocumented persons, even if person in question did not have DACA but could prove their children did. The gloves are off now.

But this shouldn't really come as a surprise; they did say they were going to do it: “DACA is not a protected legal status, but active DACA recipients are typically a lower level of enforcement priority.”

In other words, we are now a target for enforcement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...advocates-say/

Got_Daca 04-19-2017 10:29 AM

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CBP says he let his DACA expire.

Attorneys say he has valid DACA.

Outcome of this case has severe implications for all DACA.

If he indeed had valid DACA and CBP deported him for not having ID/document on him AND it turns out that CBP has the right to do so.... Just wow.

We DACAers walking on thin ice!

jaylove16 04-19-2017 11:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Laterlater (Post 611740)
Nah, it was current, renewed and set to expire at 2018.

The article referenced by OP does not contain the full context of said story - i.e. why he was initially deported, not his subsequent illegal re-entry attempt. Herein lies the issue.

He was initially stopped and picked up from the streets (visa vie stop-and-Fisk style) by a boarder patrol agent, upon which occasion he was not carrying his ID, and deported without the opportunity to see a immigration judge, legal counsel, or to even prove his DACA status.

They simply wanted to deport him. No explanation given. His attorneys have resorted to filing a lawsuit under the Freedom of Information Act to even pry any information out of the DHS in connection to his sudden removal.

But what is most interesting, at any rate to myself, is going to be the reaction of folks on this forum. People are curious - in a tragic-comic sort of way. They have a propensity to believe "bad" things only happen to "bad" people, and are ready to embrace any narrative that will confirm this conviction. Its basic just world fallacy. They would rather victim blame than to admit how precarious or gratuitous their own situation has deteriorated under this new administration.

We forget, under Obama, that DHS directives required agents to release undocumented persons, even if person in question did not have DACA but could prove their children did. The gloves are off now.

But this shouldn't really come as a surprise; they did say they were going to do it: “DACA is not a protected legal status, but active DACA recipients are typically a lower level of enforcement priority.”

In other words, we are now a target for enforcement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...advocates-say/

Like I said , time will tell if his DACA had expired or not. Right now it's a he said/she said situation. Also , him shoplifting in 2016 and being charged and convicted of it doesn't help his situation. The lawyers should provide proof his daca is still active. That shouldn't be hard right?

Swim19 04-19-2017 11:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 611743)
Like I said , time will tell if his DACA had expired or not. Right now it's a he said/she said situation. Also , him shoplifting in 2016 and being charged and convicted of it doesn't help his situation. The lawyers should provide proof his daca is still active. That shouldn't be hard right?

According to this news article, the attorney does have copies:

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CBP also said that Montes's DACA status "had expired in Aug. 2015 and he was notified at that time," though Montes's attorneys have shown copies of his work authorization card that showed his DACA status is valid through 2018.
CBP also stated Montes "has a conviction for theft for which he received probation." But court records showed a misdemeanor for shoplifting, according to his attorneys.


Montes has filed a freedom of information (FOIA) request with Customs and Border Protection asking for records surrounding his case.
Democrats are calling on the administration to provide answers over why Dreamers are being deported.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/d...nswers-n748061

jaylove16 04-19-2017 11:19 AM

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If you have DACA stay out of trouble! Don't shoplift, drink and drive or do anything stupid. I have 0 sympathy for people with daca who do these things and then get upset when they find themselves in deportation proceedings.

Swim19 04-19-2017 11:50 AM

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If anyone is interested here is a link to the FOIA complaint (I don't think his lawyers would have filed this without proof he had a valid DACA, but time will tell):

https://www.nilc.org/wp-content/uplo...2017-04-18.pdf

Laterlater 04-19-2017 12:00 PM

Re: DACA recipient deported as DHS disputes status
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 611743)
Like I said , time will tell if his DACA had expired or not. Right now it's a he said/she said situation. Also , him shoplifting in 2016 and being charged and convicted of it doesn't help his situation. The lawyers should provide proof his daca is still active. That shouldn't be hard right?

If you imagine that any free-advocacy organizations like the NILC would take up any case, without evidence to prove any standing (i.e. vaild EAD or DACA), which is both costly and time consuming, you don't understand how this works.

By the way, reporters from USA Today have seen his EAD, which is valid till 2018.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ump/100583274/

The prior conviction for larceny is at best a misdemeanor, for which he did probation.

As far as 'proof' or 'showing' the damn thing, that is what a trail is for - but you have to build a case first, which at the moment is impossible since the DHS has refused to release any record of the incident (of initial deportation). Hence the Freedom of Information lawsuit.

I smell a rat. The likely story, to my mind at least, is that an agent was in a bad mood that day or did so, "just cuz", and that the DHS is covering for him.

But at the end of the day, even if he was boarder crossing as DHS claims, or not, and deported with a valid 'DACA' status, by law, he is still liable for deportation, regardless - as all of us are.

kevo915 04-19-2017 12:13 PM

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I hope I am wrong but I got the feeling that trump is going to purge anyone with records regardless of whether it's a misdemeanor or a felony in order to boost up his numbers, so if your records are squeaky clean I suggest to work hard to keep it that way cause things are getting tough

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-19-2017 12:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kevo915 (Post 611756)
I hope I am wrong but I got the feeling that trump is going to purge anyone with records regardless of whether it's a misdemeanor or a felony in order to boost up his numbers, so if your records are squeaky clean I suggest to work hard to keep it that way cause things are getting tough

Yes this what I think as well - it started with DUI we got lots of those. Now it's transitioning to lesser things.

andreagb 04-19-2017 12:47 PM

Re: DACA recipient deported as DHS disputes status
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kevo915 (Post 611756)
I hope I am wrong but I got the feeling that trump is going to purge anyone with records regardless of whether it's a misdemeanor or a felony in order to boost up his numbers, so if your records are squeaky clean I suggest to work hard to keep it that way cause things are getting tough

I only see it that way if you commit that crime while under DACA. Otherwise there is a lot of dreamers that applied with expunged/dismissed DUIs and other lesser crimes and were approved for DACA and have maintained good status, no one has gone after them.

Swim19 04-19-2017 01:25 PM

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More updated info:

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On Wednesday, an DHS official told ThinkProgress that Montes’ DACA status was renewed and that it is set to expire on January 25, 2018. However the official said that Montes “lost his DACA status when he left the United States without advanced parole on an unknown date prior to his arrest by the U.S. Border Patrol on Feb. 19, 2017.” DACA recipients are required to obtain advanced parole prior to leaving the country or risk terminating their protected status.
https://thinkprogress.org/juan-monte...o-d0c76522e4d0

jaylove16 04-19-2017 01:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 611761)

Hmm so now the question is how did he leave in the first place? Border patrol is claiming they have no records of him being deported the first time . Interesting story indeed

libertarian1776 04-19-2017 01:41 PM

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Montes — who has a cognitive impairment because of a brain injury during his childhood, according to the National Immigration Law Center — alleges he was not allowed to see an immigration judge or a lawyer at any point.

damm... Got_Daca loves this shit, he hates DREAMers with disabilities.

moto 04-19-2017 01:50 PM

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So he did have DACA afterall. Now the matter of contention is how did he go the first time. I hope they can do parole from abroad or something like that.

Got_Daca 04-19-2017 02:01 PM

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Poor guy got nervous and signed everything ICE threw at him.

He signed away his rights and DACA.

Let this be a lesson for all of us.

andreagb 04-19-2017 08:34 PM

Re: DACA recipient deported as DHS disputes status
 
Some new info but I guess we will know all the details until the case progresses
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The agency also disputed another fact of Montes' case, regarding when he entered the country. Montes' attorneys say he came to the country when he was 9 years old, roughly 13 years ago. But DHS says the first record they have of Montes is in 2010, when he entered the US and agreed to a deal that allowed him to avoid expedited removal. He was then cleared for DACA four years later.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ion/index.html

eRkah 04-20-2017 01:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 611771)
Poor guy got nervous and signed everything ICE threw at him.

He signed away his rights and DACA.

Let this be a lesson for all of us.

The lesson is DHS/ICE/CBP does whatever they want even to people that have DACA

The fact that DHS is backtracking on their earlier statement that he didn't have DACA, and now saying that he actually did have DACA throws everything they claim about what he did or didn't do into question.

They didn't just tell multiple news organizations that they didn't know if he had DACA, they clearly stated that he didn't have DACA. And a few days later as the story caught more attention, they come out and say he did have DACA after all?


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