Originally Posted by unrealunknown92 (Post 615514)

Thanks, Obama

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 615432)

do not despair my friends, the dream is still on the horizon.

No End in Sight for DACA as Executive Amnesty Turns Five
Trump administration has processed more than 120,000 new permits for the immigration program.

share your stories how your life transformed the last 5 years!

https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-free...fe-transformed

Originally Posted by DACA-IR-DA (Post 615527)

This never helped the original Dreamers. The aged out ones.

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 615678)

you don't say?

Originally Posted by BeeHive (Post 615911)

Why do you have DACA (a federal program) if you are libertarian?

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 615912)

why would you assume all libertarians are anarchists and want to eliminate the federal government completely? im for small govt and against regulating and controlling people's lives.. people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect others peoples livelihood and safety.

DACA isn't a taxpayer funded program, DACA is a self-sustaining program that is operated through our $495 fees. So it easy to say we are not a burden to tax payers despite what the far-right is saying.

you can be libertarian and pro-immigrant, pro-lgbt, etc. there are just issues that the govt should be involved in like marriage, womens health, etc.

but then i digress, you can assume whatever you want bro.

Originally Posted by BeeHive (Post 615939)

All I have to say it is not 100% self sustained by our DACA fees. It uses tax payer money.

but then i digress, you can assume whatever you want bro.

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 615944)

not really.. a republican congress tried to defund daca years ago but it didnt matter cause the appropriations committee wasnt really allocating resources to the daca program.

Originally Posted by BeeHive (Post 615970)

But you said "DACA is a self-sustaining program that is operated through our $495 fees." That is a lie. Why are you lying?

There's a reason why that Republican wanted to refund DACA and is because it is not entirely 100% self funded. So what you said is a lie which makes your point of being on DaCA as a libertarian a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by BeeHive (Post 615970)

But you said "DACA is a self-sustaining program that is operated through our $495 fees." That is a lie. Why are you lying?

There's a reason why that Republican wanted to refund DACA and is because it is not entirely 100% self funded. So what you said is a lie which makes your point of being on DaCA as a libertarian a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 615975)

it's not "refund" its DEFUND. get your facts straight before you start accusing other people of lying. you cant refund a program, this ain't a transaction like when you buy stuff from a store. they wanted to defund it through the ways and means committee that appropriate funds for different federal programs.

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 615975)

they can defund the DACA program right now with Republicans controlling the WH and Congress. but they ain't

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 615975)

"However, in practice Congress does not have the ability to defund DACA since the program is almost entirely funded by its own application fees rather than congressional appropriations."

"The agency that processes DACA applications is almost entirely funded by application fees. That includes the funding for DACA, which is paid through a $465 fee for each new application or renewal. So the actual money that would be withheld as a result of Cruz' bill is negligible at best."

Since August 2012, the USCIS has received over 450,000 applications for DACA. Unfortunately USCIS does not accept its standard fee waiver form, the I-912, with DACA applications. Although USCIS has provided for a limited number of “fee exemptions,” not fee waivers, for those applying for DACA, most applicants will have to include $465 when they submit their application. Because USCIS is almost entirely funded by the fees it collects, the fee covers the background check, biometrics appointment costs, processing fees, and USCIS’s overhead costs associated with the DACA application.

http://lawreview.law.miami.edu/fee-e...rivals-primer/

and i never said 100%, you said that by putting words in my mouth. i just said the program is a self funding program that wont make it a burden to tax-payers.

check the OG post and make sure to have your receipts next time.

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 615975)

you obviously don't know what the ideology of libertarianism is, godsavethequeen just explained above.. heck, even Rand Paul & Gary Johnson wanted to legalize the DREAMER's.

https://youtu.be/1DIxMUmlU0w

if you're attacking me because i didn't reply to your Private Message, im sorry dude. dont be hurt, we're all on the same boat here.

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 615981)

what do you have against the hood dude? and realistically what are the chances of USCIS or DHS goes away? lol

hey man, we can have our differences but ill never call you a liar or a hypocrite because of your beliefs. i still stand by that DACA is self-funded entirely by us and does not burden citizens here.

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 615981)

if we're gonna debate semantics and wording, i would rather not if thats what you want you can claim victory if it makes you feel better. i just believe this whole debate was a misunderstanding and miscommunication of wording, but thats fine.. that's what forums are about.

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 615981)

we're all on the same boat here bro, you seem like a good and smart dude.. but if you like attacking other dreamers on here and putting users like DogJuiceMan and myself under the bus, you are free to do so.

Originally Posted by BeeHive (Post 615982)

I know I am free to do so. Thank you.

Originally Posted by BeeHive (Post 615977)

You are right it is defund not refund. It was a typo. Still, doesn't defeat the purpose that you are still a liar.


Ain't is not a word, I cannot find it the dictionary. Please use English words, not slang. We are not in the hood. Nobody ever said they cannot defund DACA.



Let us check the OG post for you Mr. Libertarian. You said "DACA isn't a taxpayer funded program, DACA is a self-sustaining program that is operated through our $495 fees." DACA funds consist "mostly" of its own fees but it is not self-sustaining program.

Let us look the definition of self-sustain: A system is self-sustaining (or self-sufficient) if it can maintain itself by independent effort

But DACA uses some taxpayer money to keep working. So who is lying here? I also never said you said it is 100% self funded, so don't put words in my mouth. I am calling you out because you are a liar.

You said self-sustain which means 100% self funded, but that is a lie, and you cannot own up to your own error.



Okay so you are more of a wanna-be or leftist libertarian rather than a full libertarian. Maybe your name should change.

It has nothing to do with the PM, but rather you spreading false information, and being a fake.

If USCIS or DHS goes away, so does DACA. You are just making modifications to your beliefs to benefit you for the good.

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 615985)

bro, i still believe we don't burden tax-payers with DACA. cause its majority funded by us.

and libertarians are all over the political spectrum. you can be a pro-immigrant and be a pro-capitalist etc..


and no.. if you are a far-right republican and want gun control, i wouldnt call u out on it.. because im sure you have your reasons..

check steve scalise, watch he got shot up and he will have second doubts about giving mentally ill people access to guns.. and hes far right!

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 615990)

bros, i bet you if Republicans and their families either get shot up by a crazy guy with a gun or their children are gay? (this goes for democrats as well)

i can guarantee you they will have second thoughts about their positions and adopt a position that will benefit themselves and their families.. everyone does it!