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isk84life 06-25-2017 08:55 PM

Trump's silence on DACA means it's here to stay
 
Immigration groups are increasingly doubtful President Trump will end President Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program after the Department of Homeland Security announced last week that recipients of the Obama-era program were safe for the unforeseen future.

Four national organizations representing a variety of immigration stances told the Washington Examiner the White House has been silent on the issue, and has not told even the groups that support Trump how it plans to go forward. That silence, according to two groups who supported Trump's immigration positions as a candidate, indicates the idea of DACA reform is not stalled, but dead.

"If the president had decided to end DACA, it would have happened. I don't know what they are waiting for. He promised to end DACA," said Rosemary Jenks, director of government relations for NumbersUSA. "Once you say something is illegal and unconstitutional, you can't just keep doing it."

New data from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services' second fiscal quarter shows 107,524 DACA renewals and 17,275 new applications were approved from January to March, approximately 70 percent of which happened under the Trump administration.

While campaigning last year, Trump promised to "immediately terminate" the 2012 policy that permitted illegal immigrants who entered the U.S. as minors to receive a two-year period of deferred action and work permit. Recipients' approval would last two years and could be renewed if the individual remained in good legal standing.

As a candidate, Trump blasted the "amnesty" program that former President Barack Obama's second term Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson imposed by memo because Congress could not pass comprehensive immigration reform.

Shortly after his inauguration, Trump appeared to be wavering in his commitment to rescinding DACA. He told one news outlet that recipients "shouldn't be worried" because "we're going to take care of everybody."

Then in April, Trump reiterated that compassionate view when he said "we need special heart" to "understand the other side of that equation" as it relates to DACA recipients.

But last Thursday, DHS Secretary John Kelly said DACA would remain in place while its 2014 sister program, Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents, would end before it had even begun. The Trump administration revoked the parental program, though it was never implemented, because there was "no credible path forward to litigate the currently enjoined policy" due to its current entanglement in the courts.

Last week, a White House official told the New York Times "there has been no final determination made about the DACA program, which the president has stressed needs to be handled with compassion and with heart."

When asked about a timeline for Trump's deciding the fate of DACA, the White House referred the Washington Examiner to a two-month-old interview it conducted with Trump in which he said "we need special heart."

Trump has some choices he could make related to the program. He could direct DHS to immediately stop issuing renewals and new permits, or announce the program will be discontinued at a future date, giving people time to come up with a plan for how to respond.

But Kelly has said the issue should be taken up by Capitol Hill lawmakers because "Congress is the only entity that can provide a long-term solution to this issue."

Other groups agree with Kelly.

"Though I was initially skeptical, it might even make sense to try to trade a real, lawful amnesty for the DACAs in exchange for important immigration changes only Congress can pass – specifically, universal E-Verify and cuts in legal immigration. In that case, announcing that renewals would continue until, say, the end of the year could be a powerful motivator for congressional Democrats," writes Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which supports conservative-aligned immigration reforms.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/im...rticle/2626949

JohannBernoulli1667 06-25-2017 09:23 PM

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Sweet! :D

2Face 06-25-2017 10:21 PM

Re: Trump's silence on DACA means it's here to stay
 
Most people knew from the day he was inaugurated that DACA is here to stay. I'm seriously not flattering myself or anything but personally I knew from the day he started campaigning that if he wins he's not going to be touching DACA. I bet you there are still people who are railing against him. It's time to stop because he is the President, end of story.

DanielPL 06-25-2017 10:28 PM

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and my prayers are working

DACA-IR-DA 06-25-2017 10:52 PM

Re: Trump's silence on DACA means it's here to stay
 
Something should be done for eDACA. You know the original Dreamers from 2001.

libertarian1776 06-25-2017 10:58 PM

Re: Trump's silence on DACA means it's here to stay
 
contact the President so he can reinstate the cancelled DAPA and eDACA.

after 763 of the same posts of advocacy and questions, im sure you can convince him.

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Originally Posted by DACA-IR-DA (Post 616266)
Something should be done for eDACA. You know the original Dreamers from 2001.


Got_Daca 06-25-2017 11:00 PM

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Mark Kirkorian is for daca legalization.

Time to be alive.

What a time to be alive.

tf2legend 06-26-2017 01:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 616267)
contact the President so he can reinstate the cancelled DAPA and eDACA.

after 763 of the same posts of advocacy and questions, im sure you can convince him.

He's one determined troll. Poor fella his life must not be very exciting

Lambo Mercy 06-26-2017 03:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 616267)
contact the President so he can reinstate the cancelled DAPA and eDACA.

after 763 of the same posts of advocacy and questions, im sure you can convince him.

More like 7,630 of the same posts lol my man doesn't give up I'll give him that

IamAman 06-26-2017 09:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 616263)
Most people knew from the day he was inaugurated that DACA is here to stay. I'm seriously not flattering myself or anything but personally I knew from the day he started campaigning that if he wins he's not going to be touching DACA. I bet you there are still people who are railing against him. It's time to stop because he is the President, end of story.

So you knew he was a liar?

unthinkable 06-26-2017 10:04 AM

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Trump is our president and he will do more for us than any other career politicians in D.C. Those who say otherwise are just fear-mongers spreading lies & deception. Truly toxic if you ask me...

fl_dreamer 06-26-2017 10:39 AM

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Not sure I trust this Administration to get anything right. Would be happy with the status quo (Trump keeping DACA alive) until 2020. Would hate to loose current privileges in a political battle.

IamAman 06-26-2017 10:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by unthinkable (Post 616285)
Trump is our president and he will do more for us than any other career politicians in D.C. Those who say otherwise are just fear-mongers spreading lies & deception. Truly toxic if you ask me...

So the first travel ban where he banned everybody including green card holders from 7 countries never happened? That was just "fear mongering?"

What about the current travel ban that SCOTUS just took up, did that not happen?

What about officially ending DAPA and eDACA? That didn't happen?

What about a push to end "sanctuary cities"? That's cancelled now?

What about picking Jeff Sessions as AG who has a history of anti-immigration votes?

What about ordering ICE to make anybody who is undocumented here to live in fear and that nobody was safe? Was I just imagining that?

What has Trump done for immigrants so far that would make you think he's going to help us? Oh, I get it...YOU have DACA and he didn't get rid of it. Does that sum it up? For the love of god, show me one pro-immigration move he's done on his own while he's been president to prove that he's actually going to help the community instead of hurt it...Just one.

JavierHTx 06-26-2017 11:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iamaman (Post 616287)
so the first travel ban where he banned everybody including green card holders from 7 countries never happened? That was just "fear mongering?"

what about the current travel ban that scotus just took up, did that not happen?

What about officially ending dapa and edaca? That didn't happen?

What about a push to end "sanctuary cities"? That's cancelled now?

What about picking jeff sessions as ag who has a history of anti-immigration votes?

What about ordering ice to make anybody who is undocumented here to live in fear and that nobody was safe? Was i just imagining that?

What has trump done for immigrants so far that would make you think he's going to help us? Oh, i get it...you have daca and he didn't get rid of it. Does that sum it up? For the love of god, show me one pro-immigration move he's done on his own while he's been president to prove that he's actually going to help the community instead of hurt it...just one.

thisssss

Smooth 06-26-2017 11:34 AM

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Guys, do not renew your DACA. If you hate this administration so much, do not renew it or petition to have it eliminated. Double Standards

Smooth 06-26-2017 11:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 616287)
So the first travel ban where he banned everybody including green card holders from 7 countries never happened? That was just "fear mongering?"

What about the current travel ban that SCOTUS just took up, did that not happen?

What about officially ending DAPA and eDACA? That didn't happen?

What about a push to end "sanctuary cities"? That's cancelled now?

What about picking Jeff Sessions as AG who has a history of anti-immigration votes?

What about ordering ICE to make anybody who is undocumented here to live in fear and that nobody was safe? Was I just imagining that?

What has Trump done for immigrants so far that would make you think he's going to help us? Oh, I get it...YOU have DACA and he didn't get rid of it. Does that sum it up? For the love of god, show me one pro-immigration move he's done on his own while he's been president to prove that he's actually going to help the community instead of hurt it...Just one.

Dude, Non-DACA immigrants did not have a basis for protection under Obama either. Being apprehended by border patrol under Obama is the same as being arrested by border patrol under Trump.

Also, I know a few non-DACA immigrants who have been released after detention even considering the fact that these immigrants do not have a basis for protection. (I know because I am a legal intern for a non-profit that represents low-income immigrants in detention). So, you are exaggerating with the fear mongering.

As for the Muslim ban, I disagree with the policy, but I agree that better vetting policies need to take place, or we risk becoming the UK.

IamAman 06-26-2017 11:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 616293)
Guys, do not renew your DACA. If you hate this administration so much, do not renew it or petition to have it eliminated. Double Standards

Straw Man.

IamAman 06-26-2017 11:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 616294)

As for the Muslim ban, I disagree with the policy, but I agree that better vetting policies need to take place, or we risk becoming the UK.

"We"? all of a sudden you're considering yourself a "we", Mr. Illegal? You think this has anything to do with public safety? The ban was supposed to be for 90 days and it's already been more than a 100 days so if it was about safety, it would have been done already.

Sure this doesn't affect you, but the same people who want you and your family deported support this ban.

Smooth 06-26-2017 11:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 616296)
"We"? all of a sudden you're considering yourself a "we", Mr. Illegal? You think this has anything to do with public safety? The ban was supposed to be for 90 days and it's already been more than a 100 days so if it was about safety, it would have been done already.

Sure this doesn't affect you, but the same people who want you and your family deported support this ban.

lmfao ok?

Says the guy who will renew his DACA. Do not renew your DACA. Disassociate yourself with his administration in every away.

Smooth 06-26-2017 11:52 AM

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Oh wait, IamAman. You do not have DACA. You are being petitioned by a family member. You are practically home free.

Dude...it's so damn easy for you and other dreamers like you to talk shit and put DACA at risk isn't it? Fuck off.

Smooth 06-26-2017 11:53 AM

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Oh wait, IamAman. You do not have DACA. You are being petitioned by a family member. You are practically home free.

Dude...it's so damn easy for you and other dreamers like you to talk shit and put DACA at risk isn't it? Fuck off.

IamAman 06-26-2017 01:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 616300)
Oh wait, IamAman. You do not have DACA. You are being petitioned by a family member. You are practically home free.

Dude...it's so damn easy for you and other dreamers like you to talk shit and put DACA at risk isn't it? Fuck off.

You sound like a battered wife who is walking on eggshells so she doesn't get her ass beat if she says the wrong thing. What are you so afraid of? Are you afraid that if you don't carry the party line and call a spade a spade that your husband is going to find out and come beat you? This is what it's come to? Is that why you keep referring to the Republican party line as "We"? Is that how you see yourself? Do you have a white portrait of yourself hanging on your wall the way Bobby Jindal does and think you are one of them? hah.

And for your information, I am not even close to being home free. Without DACA protection and with SB-4 coming up in September, all it would take is for me to get stopped at a stop sign and 31 years and life as I know it is gone. For all I know, in 2 years or whenever my case is up to date and I start the process, ICE could be knocking my door down in the middle of the night so go fuck yourself Bobby.

BeeHive 06-26-2017 01:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 616284)
So you knew he was a liar?

Every politician is a liar.

Nycgal111 06-26-2017 03:37 PM

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Wow, some people here are so ungrateful and delusional. Trump is not your savior. Don't think he will not throw you under the bus and end DACA if it will benefit him in any way politically and with his base. Think midterm elections. Can't believe some people here are badmouthing Obama when the whole reason you are still here is because of him on the first place. I'm grateful the program has not ended but I'm not gullible enough to think it's only due to Trump's kind heart. It's due to some of his advisors and other factors. Given the chaos of this administration, anything goes.

DogJuiceMan 06-26-2017 03:51 PM

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how the hell did you age out lmao. Its impossible to age out.

JavierHTx 06-26-2017 03:52 PM

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The same people who say we should be thankful that Trump hasn't ended DACA are the same people who wanted him to win the presidency.

isk84life 06-26-2017 04:02 PM

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I'm happy Trump has not ended DACA and I thank him. That does not mean I should forget about my parents and the rest of the good immigrant community. That me me me me attitude that some people have on here is pathetic.

godsavethequeen 06-26-2017 04:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JavierHTx (Post 616350)
The same people who say we should be thankful that Trump hasn't ended DACA are the same people who wanted him to win the presidency.

That's a generalization. I'm thankful that Trump hasn't ended DACA and I never wanted him for president. Pretty sure no DREAMer supports Donals Trump unless they're extremists. But, unfortunately now, we're stuck with him.

MIdreamer 06-26-2017 04:36 PM

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I'm thankful to both Obama and Trump for starting and continuing DACA. I wake up every day morning and go to my awesome job because of them.

IamAman 06-26-2017 04:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DogJuiceMan (Post 616349)
how the hell did you age out lmao. Its impossible to age out.

Do I really need to explain to you the concept of aging or are you being a troll?

2Face 06-26-2017 08:53 PM

Re: Trump's silence on DACA means it's here to stay
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 616284)
So you knew he was a liar?

This is where I think Trump has done a tremendous job. He made it seem like he's going to cancel DACA without explicitly saying he is going to cancel DACA. He said he will get rid of "Obama's illegal amnesties" Now those idiots like Ann Coulter who believed he's talking about DACA are paying the price because now Trump can go and say.."Hey I never said anything about DACA..not sure what you're talking about." I swear the lunatics at Breitbart and hard core conservatives are so stupid for believing all that. I just think people have misinterpreted what he has said. But personally, I just thought he would not touch DACA because he's a multi-millionaire businessman. For the most part, the business community are not anti-immigrant like this. He just had to speak that way to tap an electorate to wake the hell up and start voting for him. Amazing.

Smooth 06-26-2017 09:05 PM

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Funny thing....many of the dreamers who launch personal atracks on Trump through mainstream media campaigned for Bernie through out the whole election and helped take votes away from Hillary. They helped Trump win.

I did not want Trump to win. I wanted Hillary to win. Bernie was just an annoying cock sucker he helped fuck things up for Hillary. I remember urging many bernie supporters to vote for Hillary for the sake of the immigrant community, but I was continually dismissed or ignored. So, progressives will help us? As far as I am concerned, motherfuck bernie and his supporters. The progressive bernue supporters sure came to the rescue when we needed them.

I am thankful Trump has kept DACA. The dreamers who talk shit and think they walk the walk...do not renew your DACA.

Smooth 06-26-2017 09:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 616374)
This is where I think Trump has done a tremendous job. He made it seem like he's going to cancel DACA without explicitly saying he is going to cancel DACA. He said he will get rid of "Obama's illegal amnesties" Now those idiots like Ann Coulter who believed he's talking about DACA are paying the price because now Trump can go and say.."Hey I never said anything about DACA..not sure what you're talking about." I swear the lunatics at Breitbart and hard core conservatives are so stupid for believing all that. I just think people have misinterpreted what he has said. But personally, I just thought he would not touch DACA because he's a multi-millionaire businessman. For the most part, the business community are not anti-immigrant like this. He just had to speak that way to tap an electorate to wake the hell up and start voting for him. Amazing.

Everyone called you crazy for your predictions. Lmfaoooooo

2Face 06-26-2017 09:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 616376)
Everyone called you crazy for your predictions. Lmfaoooooo

It takes one two-faced mothafucka to recognize another brosef ahahahha...Donny boy came thru big time for us. But for real..I'm happy for everyone. He's gotta hold his own. That Sessions mofo is one sick son of a gun. He'll try to get us every opportunity he gets.

biscuitneck 06-26-2017 10:26 PM

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The Trump administration has far more bigger problems than DACA right now. That's why it's not making any headlines.

It's basically in the back burner right now. Like, at the very, very back.

2Face 06-26-2017 10:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by biscuitneck (Post 616381)
The Trump administration has far more bigger problems than DACA right now. That's why it's not making any headlines.

It's basically in the back burner right now. Like, at the very, very back.

Yes, at this point..the two big token items on the table are the Health Care and Tax Reform bills, which I reckon will take this entire year. After that, I seriously think CIR is next and that is when we will realize who really is on our side. I swear if the Democrats don't work with the Republicans and start demanding "citizenship for all" we will know Democrats are faking it. They will be exposed big time. The President who's going to bring about CIR is Trump. That is the ultimate truth.

moto 06-27-2017 02:02 AM

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It is here to stay. I dont see how clear can it get. He has not cancelled it. He has spoken in favor multiple times since taking office. Some people are just overly pessimistic or just clouded by anti-trump views.

Laterlater 06-28-2017 11:42 AM

Re: Trump's silence on DACA means it's here to stay
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 616287)
So the first travel ban where he banned everybody including green card holders from 7 countries never happened? That was just "fear mongering?"

What about the current travel ban that SCOTUS just took up, did that not happen?

What about officially ending DAPA and eDACA? That didn't happen?

What about a push to end "sanctuary cities"? That's cancelled now?

What about picking Jeff Sessions as AG who has a history of anti-immigration votes?

What about ordering ICE to make anybody who is undocumented here to live in fear and that nobody was safe? Was I just imagining that?

What has Trump done for immigrants so far that would make you think he's going to help us? Oh, I get it...YOU have DACA and he didn't get rid of it. Does that sum it up? For the love of god, show me one pro-immigration move he's done on his own while he's been president to prove that he's actually going to help the community instead of hurt it...Just one.


Our learnered peers here have turned into adult children of alcoholics; so long as he does not rescind DACA - i.e. my 'privilege' - they are willing to ignore, discount, rationalize or even deny every legal/legislative obscenity produced by daddy Trump and his administration that is specifically designed to screw over their community and family.

Witness: House Bill HR 3003 being considered now, which aside from the whole cutting of federal funds to sanctuary cities business, would allow states and localities to exercise indefinite detention, without charge; establish statutory probably cause for local and federal agents (i.e. pick you up from the street - just cuz') and grant legal immunity to said states for impinging on individuals constitutional right.

I get it. You want live. I can understand that - but I could never respect it; in fact, I think it transparently pathetic and contemptible.

Pianoswithoutfaith 06-29-2017 07:29 PM

Re: Trump's silence on DACA means it's here to stay
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 616263)
Most people knew from the day he was inaugurated that DACA is here to stay. I'm seriously not flattering myself or anything but personally I knew from the day he started campaigning that if he wins he's not going to be touching DACA. I bet you there are still people who are railing against him. It's time to stop because he is the President, end of story.



I love how 2Face cant even keep a straight face posting this


here is what he posted regarding trump forgetting stuff he says


http://reverbpress.com/news/donald-t...atement-video/


http://dreamact.info/forum/showpost....61&postcount=2


Nobody should trust Trump lol. - 2Faces

2Face 06-29-2017 08:30 PM

Re: Trump's silence on DACA means it's here to stay
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 616684)
I love how 2Face cant even keep a straight face posting this


here is what he posted regarding trump forgetting stuff he says


http://reverbpress.com/news/donald-t...atement-video/


http://dreamact.info/forum/showpost....61&postcount=2


Nobody should trust Trump lol. - 2Faces

The real question is..Why do you seem so happy and why are you celebrating? You're a traitor and a wuss. You've been against DACA from Day 1. You've been rooting for DACA to end. DACA is never ending. Go do whatever you can you hater!!


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